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There are ways to torture, which don't show much at all, particularly 2 weeks afterwards. A few which come to mind: Twisting arms and legs, electric shocks, pulling hair, noxious smelling chemicals, waterboarding, dunking and other water devices, suffocation, ....the list goes on, and I doubt Thailand's finest aren't aware of them.

You'll notice, in the spirit of RTP totally controlling every aspect (not allowing independents), that the tests for bruising was carried out by Thai officialdom loyalists.

Most importantly: All this focus on the Burmese is important, but it precludes any focus on THOSE WHO SHOULD BE TOP SUSPECTS. That's how mega-controlling Thai officialdom wants it. They'd rather suffer some loss of face in regards to their mis-handling of the Burmese, but woe to any reporter or observer (Brit or otherwise) who even broaches the possibility of scrutinizing other (real) suspects.

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Have the Nomsad family been charged with illigally employing the Burmese accused as yet? I thought employing illegal immigrants was a criminal offence in Thailand.

This is irrelevant , 1000s of migrant workers are without permits on this island and other tourist destinations in Thailand . Then you need to charge any restaurant or bar owner.

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So anybody think this could be more like the truth?

A massage from Koh Tao Burmese community

First of all, Thanks a million to CSI LA and fellow Thai friends for standing up for the Justice.

Some Burmese people in Koh Tao whispered that the murder was not happened on the beach, it was happened in the guest house where British couple were staying.

According to them, Nomsod and his fellow gangsters have harassed and molested the British girl in AC Bar and got fight with the girl, when the British girl has gone back to the guest house after fight, they followed and killed the boyfriend, raped the girl and killed her too. Altogether 5 people, Nomsod and 4 Thai Gangsters (one of them was rumored as a Thai policeman) who worked for his father were involved in the murder. After the murder, they carried the bodies to the beach which is 50 meters away from the guest house, staged as a couple were having sex on the beach and killed on the beach.

Two Burmese boys accused were also workers of one of Nomsod's father's businesses on the island, and they were playing a guitar on the beach when Nomsod and his gangsters carrying bodies, and Burmese workers were also asked to helped them carry the bodies too. Two Burmese have to do it because they scared of Nomsod and his gang and his father too. Which mean their DNA can be found on the bodies too. Which make them a perfect scapegoats.

The whole Koh Tao community knows about what really happened that night but everybody were scared of Nomsod's family and their gangsters and also the police thus nobody dare to speak out, Koh Tao Burmese were saying its not a secret that Nomsod family is making millions of bath for Thai police every month from many different illegal businesses on the island, and this case too, there was also a rumor that every Thai policeman involved in this case were already bribed handsomely by the Nomsod family.

The whole point of a message is to inform the Scotland Yard Police to focus on Nomsad and his thugs, AC Bar, Guest House, Sperm DNA inside the British Girl's womb and find a match. Not to trust on the 'murdered on the beach' fairy tale and tempered evidences and CCTVs on the whole island that are under the Nomsod's family influence.

I agree with most of what you reported, but the guest house thing sounds a bit odd. It would seem: a whole lot of blood would be in that room. Actually, it might fit if the g.h. manager/owner was in tight with Nomsod and his buddies. Either way, Thai cops either haven't done any thorough investigation about the scene at the bar, or they did and simply stuffed it as not fitting with their unconvincing frame-up. Thai cops mention many things, but they don't mention the bar scenario, nor any prior history of suspects (re; rape, murder, fights, bribes, violent behavior).

Everything Thai officialdom has done during the entire investigation is focused on framing Burmese, and shielding anyone connected with the headman or the AC bar. I hope it's all exposed and Thai police and army brass are prosecuted to the full extent for tampering with evidence and knowingly framing scapegoats. Of course, this is Thailand, and the worst that can happen, even if a frame-up were proven, is some middle ranked cops get their wrists slapped. The self-appointed PM will tell everyone to forget about this, ....so Thailand can get back on track with what's important: getting tourists' money.

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So anybody think this could be more like the truth?

A massage from Koh Tao Burmese community

First of all, Thanks a million to CSI LA and fellow Thai friends for standing up for the Justice.

Some Burmese people in Koh Tao whispered that the murder was not happened on the beach, it was happened in the guest house where British couple were staying.

According to them, Nomsod and his fellow gangsters have harassed and molested the British girl in AC Bar and got fight with the girl, when the British girl has gone back to the guest house after fight, they followed and killed the boyfriend, raped the girl and killed her too. Altogether 5 people, Nomsod and 4 Thai Gangsters (one of them was rumored as a Thai policeman) who worked for his father were involved in the murder. After the murder, they carried the bodies to the beach which is 50 meters away from the guest house, staged as a couple were having sex on the beach and killed on the beach.

Two Burmese boys accused were also workers of one of Nomsod's father's businesses on the island, and they were playing a guitar on the beach when Nomsod and his gangsters carrying bodies, and Burmese workers were also asked to helped them carry the bodies too. Two Burmese have to do it because they scared of Nomsod and his gang and his father too. Which mean their DNA can be found on the bodies too. Which make them a perfect scapegoats.

The whole Koh Tao community knows about what really happened that night but everybody were scared of Nomsod's family and their gangsters and also the police thus nobody dare to speak out, Koh Tao Burmese were saying its not a secret that Nomsod family is making millions of bath for Thai police every month from many different illegal businesses on the island, and this case too, there was also a rumor that every Thai policeman involved in this case were already bribed handsomely by the Nomsod family.

The whole point of a message is to inform the Scotland Yard Police to focus on Nomsad and his thugs, AC Bar, Guest House, Sperm DNA inside the British Girl's womb and find a match. Not to trust on the 'murdered on the beach' fairy tale and tempered evidences and CCTVs on the whole island that are under the Nomsod's family influence.

Interesting. I hope this write-up does get around and please inform as many as you can. Defintely the island-mafia is behind this. This chatroom and other Thai chatrooms have been focusing on the mafia-family since the invesitigation. Let's hope that things break but if these Thai criminal-police and mafia are working together, it is going to be difficult. If I was one of the Brit. investigators I would definitely follow your advice and be all over them like a wet blanket.

Posted

So anybody think this could be more like the truth?

A massage from Koh Tao Burmese community

First of all, Thanks a million to CSI LA and fellow Thai friends for standing up for the Justice.

Some Burmese people in Koh Tao whispered that the murder was not happened on the beach, it was happened in the guest house where British couple were staying.

According to them, Nomsod and his fellow gangsters have harassed and molested the British girl in AC Bar and got fight with the girl, when the British girl has gone back to the guest house after fight, they followed and killed the boyfriend, raped the girl and killed her too. Altogether 5 people, Nomsod and 4 Thai Gangsters (one of them was rumored as a Thai policeman) who worked for his father were involved in the murder. After the murder, they carried the bodies to the beach which is 50 meters away from the guest house, staged as a couple were having sex on the beach and killed on the beach.

Two Burmese boys accused were also workers of one of Nomsod's father's businesses on the island, and they were playing a guitar on the beach when Nomsod and his gangsters carrying bodies, and Burmese workers were also asked to helped them carry the bodies too. Two Burmese have to do it because they scared of Nomsod and his gang and his father too. Which mean their DNA can be found on the bodies too. Which make them a perfect scapegoats.

The whole Koh Tao community knows about what really happened that night but everybody were scared of Nomsod's family and their gangsters and also the police thus nobody dare to speak out, Koh Tao Burmese were saying its not a secret that Nomsod family is making millions of bath for Thai police every month from many different illegal businesses on the island, and this case too, there was also a rumor that every Thai policeman involved in this case were already bribed handsomely by the Nomsod family.

The whole point of a message is to inform the Scotland Yard Police to focus on Nomsad and his thugs, AC Bar, Guest House, Sperm DNA inside the British Girl's womb and find a match. Not to trust on the 'murdered on the beach' fairy tale and tempered evidences and CCTVs on the whole island that are under the Nomsod's family influence.

Interesting. I hope this write-up does get around and please inform as many as you can. Defintely the island-mafia is behind this. This chatroom and other Thai chatrooms have been focusing on the mafia-family since the invesitigation. Let's hope that things break but if these Thai criminal-police and mafia are working together, it is going to be difficult. If I was one of the Brit. investigators I would definitely follow your advice and be all over them like a wet blanket.
If you were one of the Brit investigators, you might WANT to do a thorough job. One slight hitch. This is a complete frame-up by Thai officialdom, who want to maintain complete control over every tiny aspect of the investigation. The last thing Thai cops want (or will allow) is some farang smarty-pants probing in places where he shouldn't. Stay tuned. The frame-up continues. It won't be long now, until the Thai judge announces guilt.
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David was not killed by blows from the blunt end of a hoe or the blunt end of anything else.

Please educate yourself on the details of this case before you rush in and try to sound important. There are many sources that clearly indicate the wounds - and blunt trauma is not what killed him. (no matter what the boys say or what the BIB say.)

Nut Kyaw Thaung, a representative of the Myanmar Association in Thailand, who attended the interview with the defendants, said:

There's some more nonsense for you straight from the horses mouth.“They said they bashed the victims two or three times each with the blunt end of a hoe, but not with the sharp end. They said they did it because they were drunk but did not intend to murder the couple.”

Weren't sitting alone then were they?

As tired as I am about responding to misinfo/disinfo as you have here, it's probably necessary to keep the story from being deliberately confused or twisted.

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Have the Nomsad family been charged with illigally employing the Burmese accused as yet? I thought employing illegal immigrants was a criminal offence in Thailand.

This is irrelevant , 1000s of migrant workers are without permits on this island and other tourist destinations in Thailand . Then you need to charge any restaurant or bar owner.

No illegals, no underclass to exploit for economic gain and have around to fill prison cells or suck up lethal injections. Why would anyone want to mess with that perfect situation? Not at all specific to Thailand, btw.

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The Thai authorities should allow the British to independently test the two supects DNA and see if it matches with the DNA found on the two victims. But they won't allow that..Why????? One doesn't need a high IQ to know why!

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No matter how much you were beaten no matter what kind of threats are you going to sit there in silence with your life on the line.

If you guys want to believe that these 2 were privately tutored in what they had to do when reinacting the crime then you are dumb.

They knew how the murders were committed, what weapon was used, where theygot it, how many blows were struck and went through te entire act without hesitation

Not one of them but both stayed silent because they were scared they would get another beating? Never mind if found guilty the death penalty awaits them.

Not a peep out of either of them but then along come their lawyers and suddenly "We were beaten"

Of course their lawyers ...lets call them Snow White and the Seven dwarfs would never advise their client to lie so the must be innocent.

Case closed let them go because all you would be detectives on Thai visa say so

Bullshit. yes, they were privately tutored about the crime, in addition, at the "reenactment" , the cops were even telling them which way to point. It's obvious from the photos. i guess that you are so tough, you would not confess under torture. Or, are you just a buffoon who is on here to get attention?? I'm also guessing that you have never been subjected to torture. I get a large kick out of the assclowns on here who state that if the suspects were innocent, they would never have confessed, even under beatings/torture. These said assclowns should voluntarily submit themselves to torture, including suffocation, electroshock, beatings, etc, so that they can prove how tough they are. But for the ordinary mortal, life in a prison cell, or even a bullet to the head, can look mighty attractive when they are being tortured.
 

Go read 1984 by George Orwell. 1984. 1984.

Ooops, sorry. You don't have to. You have already read a book...

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So anybody think this could be more like the truth?

A massage from Koh Tao Burmese community

First of all, Thanks a million to CSI LA and fellow Thai friends for standing up for the Justice.

Some Burmese people in Koh Tao whispered that the murder was not happened on the beach, it was happened in the guest house where British couple were staying.

According to them, Nomsod and his fellow gangsters have harassed and molested the British girl in AC Bar and got fight with the girl, when the British girl has gone back to the guest house after fight, they followed and killed the boyfriend, raped the girl and killed her too. Altogether 5 people, Nomsod and 4 Thai Gangsters (one of them was rumored as a Thai policeman) who worked for his father were involved in the murder. After the murder, they carried the bodies to the beach which is 50 meters away from the guest house, staged as a couple were having sex on the beach and killed on the beach.

Two Burmese boys accused were also workers of one of Nomsod's father's businesses on the island, and they were playing a guitar on the beach when Nomsod and his gangsters carrying bodies, and Burmese workers were also asked to helped them carry the bodies too. Two Burmese have to do it because they scared of Nomsod and his gang and his father too. Which mean their DNA can be found on the bodies too. Which make them a perfect scapegoats.

The whole Koh Tao community knows about what really happened that night but everybody were scared of Nomsod's family and their gangsters and also the police thus nobody dare to speak out, Koh Tao Burmese were saying its not a secret that Nomsod family is making millions of bath for Thai police every month from many different illegal businesses on the island, and this case too, there was also a rumor that every Thai policeman involved in this case were already bribed handsomely by the Nomsod family.

The whole point of a message is to inform the Scotland Yard Police to focus on Nomsad and his thugs, AC Bar, Guest House, Sperm DNA inside the British Girl's womb and find a match. Not to trust on the 'murdered on the beach' fairy tale and tempered evidences and CCTVs on the whole island that are under the Nomsod's family influence.

Interesting. I hope this write-up does get around and please inform as many as you can. Defintely the island-mafia is behind this. This chatroom and other Thai chatrooms have been focusing on the mafia-family since the invesitigation. Let's hope that things break but if these Thai criminal-police and mafia are working together, it is going to be difficult. If I was one of the Brit. investigators I would definitely follow your advice and be all over them like a wet blanket.
If you were one of the Brit investigators, you might WANT to do a thorough job. One slight hitch. This is a complete frame-up by Thai officialdom, who want to maintain complete control over every tiny aspect of the investigation. The last thing Thai cops want (or will allow) is some farang smarty-pants probing in places where he shouldn't. Stay tuned. The frame-up continues. It won't be long now, until the Thai judge announces guilt.

Maybe not. Even the state prosecutors are jumping the sinking ship now.

For the 2nd time "State Prosecutor orders Police to question more before indicting the murder suspects in court."

Thrown back to police again late yesterday.

http://thaivisa.com/forum/topic/77011

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There are ways to torture, which don't show much at all, particularly 2 weeks afterwards. A few which come to mind: Twisting arms and legs, electric shocks, pulling hair, noxious smelling chemicals, waterboarding, dunking and other water devices, suffocation, ....the list goes on, and I doubt Thailand's finest aren't aware of them.

You'll notice, in the spirit of RTP totally controlling every aspect (not allowing independents), that the tests for bruising was carried out by Thai officialdom loyalists.

Most importantly: All this focus on the Burmese is important, but it precludes any focus on THOSE WHO SHOULD BE TOP SUSPECTS. That's how mega-controlling Thai officialdom wants it. They'd rather suffer some loss of face in regards to their mis-handling of the Burmese, but woe to any reporter or observer (Brit or otherwise) who even broaches the possibility of scrutinizing other (real) suspects.

No real need to scrutinise anything or anyone. I am sure that within the ranks of British Bobbies there is a number of people very capable of extracting the information very quietly and efficiently from anyone they desire to question without any fan-fare of who they are and where are they from.

Very simple as a couple of tourist to visit the island and bum-around for a week or two getting the lay of the land, make a few friends of those earmarked as possibly able to assist and finally side-tracking them out of harms way for a little private chat session.

The only question needed to be asked is "who" backed up with the Aussie "toe cutter" technique which seems to work wonders restoring memories.

"The term toe cutter is Australian slang for a person who lives by torturing other criminals, then robbing them. As the name implies the torture usually involves painful removal of the digits or in some cases the complete foot. Few victims ever inform since their loss has been acquired illegally. An infamous toe cutter was "Jimmie the Pom". His gang operated in the Sydney area during the seventies. They prayed on fellow criminals threatening bodily harm, till they disclosed the whereabouts of their ill begotten gains. Their modis operandi was to cut people's toes off, with bolt cutters. By day, the leader of the extorionists, ran a dress shop. He emigrated to Australia in 1967 and claimed to be a member of the notorious Kray Brothers Gang from East London where he picked up the idea. His technique seemed to work because over the years it is reputed the Toe Cutter Gang were able to amass considerable loot from their fiendish toe fetish. Less adept copycats used blowtorches applied to the soles of the feet to achieve the same end. .........................." http://tinfinger.blogspot.com/2007/01/toecutter-20.html

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Just in case people r unsure where this new information has come from it was posted by none other than Muang Muang the police star witness. I believe he is back in Burma.

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Well nick them then, migrant ferrangs can't work!

Have the Nomsad family been charged with illigally employing the Burmese accused as yet? I thought employing illegal immigrants was a criminal offence in Thailand.

This is irrelevant , 1000s of migrant workers are without permits on this island and other tourist destinations in Thailand . Then you need to charge any restaurant or bar owner.

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How much longer can these sad alibis hold out for this kid. Did his lawyer holding up the worst Photoshop job in history say Nomsod was at university on the morning of the 15th attending class or just on the university grounds. I know its since been revealed the still is from his apartment but is his alibi he attended class in the morning. If said to be in class (I believe his first class was 8:30) the lecturer or his classmates need to be interviewed. Isn't that what police do. Investigate a suspects alibi. If the lawyer says he was in school and he was not and the university or anyone attending class lie and cover for him are that not aiding and assisting a criminal. Can anyone confirm what his lawyer says his alibi was. Sadly BKK uni you have now been implicated in this mess by his lawyer. Time to come forward. Was he in class or not. He is using you as his alibi......

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Well nick them then, migrant ferrangs can't work!

Have the Nomsad family been charged with illigally employing the Burmese accused as yet? I thought employing illegal immigrants was a criminal offence in Thailand.

This is irrelevant , 1000s of migrant workers are without permits on this island and other tourist destinations in Thailand . Then you need to charge any restaurant or bar owner.

Usually people are charged with an fence when the police find out about it...I'd say in this case the police are aware and see no reason why they shouldn't be charged.

the other alleged 100s can of course be investigated too...then they could be prosecuted.....it's called the rule of law.....something that seems markedly lacking in this whole affair.

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another knob who has condemmed these to alerady, you need to read the script you are in the minority who belive they are guilty apart from all the cronies in the police force and those who have a vested intrest in a quick conclusion

this aint going away quickly

Koh T is a gost town and = som nam na (serves them right)

No matter how much you were beaten no matter what kind of threats are you going to sit there in silence with your life on the line.

If you guys want to believe that these 2 were privately tutored in what they had to do when reinacting the crime then you are dumb.

They knew how the murders were committed, what weapon was used, where theygot it, how many blows were struck and went through te entire act without hesitation

Not one of them but both stayed silent because they were scared they would get another beating? Never mind if found guilty the death penalty awaits them.

Not a peep out of either of them but then along come their lawyers and suddenly "We were beaten"

Of course their lawyers ...lets call them Snow White and the Seven dwarfs would never advise their client to lie so the must be innocent.

Case closed let them go because all you would be detectives on Thai visa say so

Bullshit. yes, they were privately tutored about the crime, in addition, at the "reenactment" , the cops were even telling them which way to point. It's obvious from the photos. i guess that you are so tough, you would not confess under torture. Or, are you just a buffoon who is on here to get attention?? I'm also guessing that you have never been subjected to torture. I get a large kick out of the assclowns on here who state that if the suspects were innocent, they would never have confessed, even under beatings/torture. These said assclowns should voluntarily submit themselves to torture, including suffocation, electroshock, beatings, etc, so that they can prove how tough they are. But for the ordinary mortal, life in a prison cell, or even a bullet to the head, can look mighty attractive when they are being tortured.

So you were there were you and you an read all that from a photo and I thought Shelock Homes was an imaginary charachter............I am surprised with your great mind the fact that the police did not need a confession slipped past you. They already had enough evidence to convict with the DNA matches...........so pray tell why beat them so badly they confessed? Did they get a few slaps during interegations?.................after whet they did to that young couple.....I bloody well hope so.

Can we, the interested public, put you on the list as a character witness for the BIB?

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Its interesting to me that not one Thai person I have talked to believe these boys did the murder and I live here 36 years.

Also all the foreigners feel the same way that this boys are fall guys for in competent police work.

Moderator note: Edited to remove all caps. Please don't post in capital letters. Thanks.

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Its interesting to me that NOT ONE THAI PERSON I HAVE TALKED TO BELIEVE THESE BOYS DID THE MURDER AND I LIVE HERE 36 YEARS .

Also all the foreigners feel the same way that this boys are fall guys for in competent police work.

Police are good people, and don't tell lie.

Rapist & Murderers are bad people, and I am not surprise that they willing to tell lie.

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How much longer can these sad alibis hold out for this kid. Did his lawyer holding up the worst Photoshop job in history say Nomsod was at university on the morning of the 15th attending class or just on the university grounds. I know its since been revealed the still is from his apartment but is his alibi he attended class in the morning. If said to be in class (I believe his first class was 8:30) the lecturer or his classmates need to be interviewed. Isn't that what police do. Investigate a suspects alibi. If the lawyer says he was in school and he was not and the university or anyone attending class lie and cover for him are that not aiding and assisting a criminal. Can anyone confirm what his lawyer says his alibi was. Sadly BKK uni you have now been implicated in this mess by his lawyer. Time to come forward. Was he in class or not. He is using you as his alibi......

Talking about alibis, apparently Nomsod's cousin also gave him an alibi about being in Bangkok but (again apparently) she was in Pattaya at that time.

Just out of curiosity, for those of you who knows about the law, what does an accessory to murder mean? Does it mean covering up for a murderer, knowingly or unknowingly?

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Its interesting to me that not one Thai person I have talked to believe these boys did the murder and I live here 36 years.

Also all the foreigners feel the same way that this boys are fall guys for in competent police work.

Moderator note: Edited to remove all caps. Please don't post in capital letters. Thanks.

Incompetent police work or incompetent cover up?

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How much longer can these sad alibis hold out for this kid. Did his lawyer holding up the worst Photoshop job in history say Nomsod was at university on the morning of the 15th attending class or just on the university grounds. I know its since been revealed the still is from his apartment but is his alibi he attended class in the morning. If said to be in class (I believe his first class was 8:30) the lecturer or his classmates need to be interviewed. Isn't that what police do. Investigate a suspects alibi. If the lawyer says he was in school and he was not and the university or anyone attending class lie and cover for him are that not aiding and assisting a criminal. Can anyone confirm what his lawyer says his alibi was. Sadly BKK uni you have now been implicated in this mess by his lawyer. Time to come forward. Was he in class or not. He is using you as his alibi......

Talking about alibis, apparently Nomsod's cousin also gave him an alibi about being in Bangkok but (again apparently) she was in Pattaya at that time.

Just out of curiosity, for those of you who knows about the law, what does an accessory to murder mean? Does it mean covering up for a murderer, knowingly or unknowingly?

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A post with a bit of profanity and references to illegal activities has been removed.

Please keep it clean.

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Its interesting to me that NOT ONE THAI PERSON I HAVE TALKED TO BELIEVE THESE BOYS DID THE MURDER AND I LIVE HERE 36 YEARS .

Also all the foreigners feel the same way that this boys are fall guys for in competent police work.

Police are good people, and don't tell lie.

Rapist & Murderers are bad people, and I am not surprise that they willing to tell lie.

Troll alert!!

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Its interesting to me that NOT ONE THAI PERSON I HAVE TALKED TO BELIEVE THESE BOYS DID THE MURDER AND I LIVE HERE 36 YEARS .

Also all the foreigners feel the same way that this boys are fall guys for in competent police work.

Police are good people, and don't tell lie.

Rapist & Murderers are bad people, and I am not surprise that they willing to tell lie.

yeah the policeman who killed a farang in Pai and few years later killed his young wife was an angel on earth

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It was said in BP that the duo retracted officially now, and made further allegations that the rohingya 'banana pancake man / translator' abused them, and might have mistranslated what they were saying to the officials.

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