Crime re-enactments: a violation of suspects' rights?

[Chris Lawrence]

Was the Ferrari guy ever paraded in front of the media when he killed the policeman?

[StefanBBK]

Was the Ferrari guy ever paraded in front of the media when he killed the policeman?

a bit difficult to reenact, without driving over another cop.

[xygote]

Was the Ferrari guy ever paraded in front of the media when he killed the policeman?

a bit difficult to reenact, without driving over another cop.

........................but probably not a bad idea, when you come to think of it!

[MrBrad]

They can take all the photos they want, I suppose, but that doesn't obligate the media to publish them. This would stop immediately if the press didn't play along with the cops.

Another--though much harder to control approach to curtailing such photo ops--would be if the public refused to buy newspapers or other media, or didn't view websites of agencies that published such photos.

That said, neither of the above scenarios will ever happen. It's what the majority of the public (and the cops) apparently want.

[dieseldave1951]

suspects are to be treated as innocent till proven guilty, Thai authorities should not display them at press conferences. NHRC say

by exposing suspects police violate their human rights.

However, a police colonel once noted that police should not take the flak alone because the media should also exercise judgement in its coverage of these re-enactments.displays ummmmmm (illigal re-enactment displays )

typicle the police just cant get it when they parade suspects its against there human rights but again they look to blame someone else

namely the media is wrong to publisize these actions

[Baerboxer]

All suspects paraded at a re-enactment are always found guilty.

UK bobbies can learn a lot from the Thai police!

Aren't the re-enactments only carried out by those pleading guilty?

Then there is the farcical situation where people plead guilty, do the re-enactment, then change their plea.

The wonderful workings of the Thai legal system.

[Baerboxer]

suspects are to be treated as innocent till proven guilty, Thai authorities should not display them at press conferences. NHRC say

by exposing suspects police violate their human rights.

However, a police colonel once noted that police should not take the flak alone because the media should also exercise judgement in its coverage of these re-enactments.displays ummmmmm (illigal re-enactment displays )

typicle the police just cant get it when they parade suspects its against there human rights but again they look to blame someone else

namely the media is wrong to publisize these actions

There is no understanding of the concept of human rights here. To have any rights you must have money, and the right social and family connections.

There is no jury system so judges do the judging. I doubt the judges care one way or another if there is or is not a re-enactment.

[gemini81]

Compensates for channel 3 & channel 7's super bad 'actors'

[wabothai]

The rights of the boys have been stepped on since day one, nicely said.

I hope that the boy's lawyers slap the force with (the well known) defamation suit Thailand has never seen before.

[FangFerang]

And they are baffled why Thailand is not on the UN Human Rights Council. As one astute observer noted, no wealthy or influential Thai is Ever in a crime reenactment.

Ever.

Its a publicity stunt gone wild....meant to show that justice prevails.

Um, okay. No problem.

[Songhua]

Was the Ferrari guy ever paraded in front of the media when he killed the policeman?

a bit difficult to reenact, without driving over another cop.

In such a case, improvise.

Eg the teddy bear rape victim or, as in the Samut Prakaan re-enactment last week of the re-opened Japanese murder case, push a mannequin down a flight of stairs.

[JOC]

A simple answer to the question in the title is, yes.

So according to you, the animals behind the two murders of elderly Japanese men, should be able to hide behind PC and human rights??

They are beyond any rights!!

.......not until they are PROVEN guilty.

I agree that the case, as reported, looks very damning but due legal process should still be followed and then, if/when found guilty in a free , fair and transparent process, of course the offenders should be punished to the full extent of the law.

Fair enough!!

But that would mean, that for the media: No names, no pictures before the trial??

Just as damning for the suspect as those stupid re-enactments!!

A fine balancing act between the suspects rights and the publics right to be informed!!

[sprq]

A violation of suspect's rights? Is the pope a Catholic?

Does a bear defecate in the woods? But at least a Thai is asking the question, which I've never seen before.

[sprq]

And they are baffled why Thailand is not on the UN Human Rights Council. As one astute observer noted, no wealthy or influential Thai is Ever in a crime reenactment.

Ever.

Its a publicity stunt gone wild....meant to show that justice prevails.

Um, okay. No problem.

Rather, meant to show the police have succeeded in closing the case, when actually all they've done is nab somebody who may be completely innocent.

[metisdead]

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[maidee]

guilty till proven innocent

specially for non-thais

[Oziex1]

Can anyone remember anyone who is hiso/wealthy taking part in a crime re-enactment?

For example, they couldn’t stage a show like usual with the Ferrari cop killer, because the hundred illegal assembled Ferraris were not found at that time. To pump him up with booze and cocaine would have been the easy part but the re-enactment would have been too inaccurate with a VW Beetle.

The Ferrari cop killer, don't know much about this have seen it mentioned a few times on TV, a cops death in other countries generally rallies the troops to see justice is done, not here hey?

They care for no one, not even each other!

[chooka]

Anyone with half a brain would know that until you are proven guilty by your peers you are innocent , that is the general rule of law, in Thailand the RTP gets away with anything , they would have to be the biggest legal thugs acting for the law you could imagine to meet ,nary one would pass an entrance test in the west, not one person has a kind word for this outfit , so as it stands, you are guilty until something happens to prove otherwise, wonder what that could be???

In Thailand they don't have the opertunity to be judged by thier peers. No juries.

[Commerce]

"However, a police colonel once noted that police should not take the flak alone because the media should also exercise judgement in its coverage of these re-enactments."

Why should the media exercise judgement, when there are hundreds of public citizens present at re-enactments, taking mobile phone pics, ready to go home and place them on fb and twitter? And even the police themselves place crime scene pics on fb, illegally?

Thus the police should take the flak, for not cordoning off areas and permitting general citizens access to crime scene sites and re-enactments.

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[rickirs]

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"According to the Constitution, suspects or defendants in criminal cases must be presumed and treated as innocent until proven guilty."

Seriously, has anyone in the NPO ever read the constitution, let alone know it exists?

"In response to such legal stipulations, the National Police Office (NPO) has prescribed guidelines on how to arrange press conferences and give interviews or photos to the media."

These aren't press conferences. These are photo ops showing off the directorial "skills" of the police. "Skills" which are banned in most nations around the world. The only difference is that in most nations these practices are hidden. In Thailand the results are exhibited with pride.

"According to the Constitution, suspects or defendants in criminal cases must be presumed and treated as innocent until proven guilty."

Seriously, has anyone anywhere noticed that the Junta ABOLISHED the 2007 Constitution? Under the current martial law and Article 44 of the NCPO's Interim Charter, the Junta can decide what, where, why, and how accused are to be treated. Accused can be jailed without any charges and tried in military court for which there is no APPEAL.

[wantan]

The whole system has to be reformed if Thailand ever want to become a modern society with real human rights. At the moment its still more like in the dark ages. Calling it a "violation of suspects rights" is belittlement. All this finger pointing has to stop.

People also should ask themselves why in Thailand most suspects of serious crimes confess within a few days. Is it because of the good work of the police or because of the honest people living here? Dont think so. Imo its because the suspects are usually seriousely threaten and/or tortured. There is no other possible explanation.

[JoeLing]

According to the Constitution, suspects or defendants in criminal cases must be presumed and treated as innocent until proven guilty.

Which constitution?

[catweazle]

I believe this case clearly shows us why Thailand invesnted the necessity of those re-enactments in the first place... A simple patsy evolves into a true culprit for media and onlookers alike as soon as he is placed at and puppeteered around the crime scene.

It's a simple, but very effective brain wash for the public. Great to see however, that a majority of Thai people didn't fall for it this time. This case has the potential to initiate a long overdue reform of the Thai judicial system and a complete reshuffle of the RTP.

By the way... Wouldn't it be lese majeste if an official organisation calls itself Royal Thai Police while its members frame and torture innocent people while meddling with evidence and sabotaging an investigation instead of solving a crime and putting the true culprits behind bars?

Just saying...

[Jonmarleesco]

'... Thai authorities should not display them at press conferences.' Are the police really interested in having the suspects' faces appear in the media? Or their own?

[retsdon]

The only law on Thailand is the law of the cheque book. The stuff on the statute books isn't worth the paper its written on. Suspect's rights? Only the rich have rights in Thailand - and that's because they buy them.

[joecoolfrog]

There is a case for crime reinactment but not simply as a chest thumping exercise or media opportunity.

[Fatty123]

First of all it contaminates a crime scene. If the accused wasn't at the scene of the crime, making him do a re-enactment would place his footprints/DNA there after the event. Also, it's downright demeaning and the cops can 'orchastrate' things a little too much. It seemed that way in Koh Tao in the few clips/photos released.

Not just Thailand, but I don't think anyone's name/photo should be released to the press until proven guilty. If you need to film the trial do so, but blur out the accused and change the voice. An innocent person should not have to live with suspicion and stigma for a crime they didn't commit.

[chooka]

First of all it contaminates a crime scene. If the accused wasn't at the scene of the crime, making him do a re-enactment would place his footprints/DNA there after the event. Also, it's downright demeaning and the cops can 'orchastrate' things a little too much. It seemed that way in Koh Tao in the few clips/photos released.

Not just Thailand, but I don't think anyone's name/photo should be released to the press until proven guilty. If you need to film the trial do so, but blur out the accused and change the voice. An innocent person should not have to live with suspicion and stigma for a crime they didn't commit.

Demeaning yes. I remember the rape re enactment with the large teddy bear. The BIB had the suspect simulates sex doggy style on a large teddy bear whilst they looked on laughing and pointing whilst the media recorded it on video and stills.

[greenchair]

The re-enactment at kt was valuable evidence. It showed that the boys did not know what To do. And had to be shown every step of the way.