Thailand to 'allow' second DNA test for British murder accused

[Strangebrew]

It is reported PM said it was ok to retest them not the RTP looks like PM switched positions to save face.

[poweratradio]

It seems they are confident.

The British have the DNA from the victims and they will be able to compare.

Let's hope the truth comes out and stop the speculation.

Doesn't seem like there is anything that will please the armchair detectives on here from their speculations. They will cry foul no matter what now! No pleasing them until the two are released and there will be no suspects at all.

Did you read the title of this thread? It was posted for us to discuss and speculate, pretty sure thats what a forums for.

Gee my humble apologies. I missed the part of the title where it said to speculate..... point fingers, condemning authorities is that all fair play on here? Discuss is a given!

Thailand to 'allow' second DNA test for British murder accused

[JOC]

Sadly all that is being posted now has all been aired before. Much as I agree with what is and has been said I do not think anyone with influence over the matter gives a damn about TV posters or anybody else for that matter. We are all getting stressed out over something we cannot control.

Yes, but without the pressure from social media, this case would have just been another case where the RTP would have got away with it!!

For the first time ever the RTP are being scrutinized and held accountable.

So repeats or not, keep posting!!

[AleG]

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And that, again, would necessitate the complicity of the UK police and forensic experts.

I may be missing something here but as far as i am aware the 2 Burmese guys were pictured in the line up very early on in the investigation. It is then entirely plausible that the BIB had plenty of time to decide from the DNA samples and related information regarding who gave each sample who would best suit a fit up. The DNA could have been planted on the body before it was shipped back to the UK and then after a bit of time 'investigating' hey presto! we have the perps. It would explain why they weren't arrested first time round and if this was indeed the case then it would make no difference whatsoever to the UK police investigation as the DNA samples would match anyway. The BIB would be more concerned with the boys from the Met uncovering proof of this than the actual samples not matching. As i said i may have missed something because i haven't had chance to check in with developments everyday as i have been travelling but i have tried my best to monitor proceedings as i am appalled at the way things play out here. As i have previously stated i have been here for many years and i am finding it an increasingly dangerous place for us 'Farangs'

DNA sampling is usually a mouth swab, not sperm samples, this "theory" is nonsense and nothing but spreading baseless rumors.

The suspect's lawyers must be loving every second of it though.

[Caspersfriend]

There is a corner somewhere with an ever-increasing number of those who are 'influential' and 'in authority' painted into it.

When all this first happened decisions were made on the basis that it would all go away, as many incidents do in this and many other countries when such persons are involved/implicated. For a myriad of reasons this has now become a high-profile case internationally. Many judges and many juries but not one that can [or probably will ever be able to] fairly judge who is or is not guilty of the crime.

Without seeking to make judgement - Woraphan Tuwichian has surely painted himself in that corner and his reputation will never be the same again whatever the outcome.

[templedog]

How very strange that happens on the very same day, that the Headmans son has ageed to give his DNA!!

Anyone else smell a rat here??

I am reserving judgment. It is possible that this is the start of a process aimed at putting the real perps behind bars. It is also possibly an attempt to lend legitimacy to the original flawed investigation.

You can reserve judgement now, but I won't....this the latter of your speculations...."an attempt to lend legitimacy to the original flawed investigation."

It will be just another rigged DNA test....I'll bet my left _______.

[wilcopops]

Regardless of DNA whether they did it or not, the whole process is totally marred with blunder and contamination..... Any trial now is a farce and should be dismissed.

Due to the incompetence of the police, it is unlikely that justice will ever be done.

[Oziex1]

Does anyone, not know what the results will be.

Edited October 30, 2014 by Oziex1

[ABCer]

1. Brits got victims bodies after a long time. The 'samples' could have been tempered with: removed, planted, sanitized.

2. First DNA tests cleared the two Burma boys.

3. Fingerprinting of the supposed murder weapon not done? Done? When? Where are they?

4. Where is the suspect #1? On the run? Why? Can he be brought in?

5. The 100 investigators on the case once announced - means only one thing - nobody is responsible, just in case...

I am suspicious of 'every piece of evidence' after so many contradictory 'facts' published by Investigators.

Sorry, but credibility is akin to credit. One has it until it has been lost.

Once it is lost, - no matter what you say or do - it is not to be believed.

Edited October 30, 2014 by ABCer

[Thaddeus]

There is a corner somewhere with an ever-increasing number of those who are 'influential' and 'in authority' painted into it.

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And every single one of them is the product of failed systems, both educational and social.

Did at any time any one of them think "what if?" then pause and consider the possible consequences of their actions.

Doesn't look likely does it.

The first 'what if' being what if this gets in to the international media, considering the first victims are British and the subsequent intended victims are Burmese that would pretty much be a given, but no, none of them thought about that.

Instead all they have created is a trail of making the evidence fit the lies.

Anyone who has been on the receiving end of "I'm Thai, I can do what I want" will know exactly what I mean.

[T_Dog]

Are the British detectives still in town to monitor this new DNA testing going on?

[kjhbigv]

Does anyone know, for certain, that the UK authorities took samples from the bodies when they arrived in the UK?

[Soutpeel]

Does anyone know, for certain, that the UK authorities took samples from the bodies when they arrived in the UK?

Why ask on here here ?......nobody is certain of anything on TV regarding the facts surrounding this case,

posters on both sides of the fence are speculating and making things up, some come across trying to sound like they they know what they are talking about, they dont, for the most part almost all the commentors on this and other threads are arm chair CSI, Wannabee Shelock Holmes, RTP apologists and some are just out and out loonies, many beers short of six pack.

[partington]

JOC, on 29 Oct 2014 - 11:14, said:

harleyclarkey, on 29 Oct 2014 - 10:57, said:

I really hope this brings and end to all the speculation. This should be conclusive.

It seems that the unfortunate woman was raped before being brutally murdered. If so this is where the DNA sample of the perpetrator(s) will come from.

I doubt if the Myanmar guys "fluids" can be placed after the event.

I also doubt the British police will allow any sample to be analysed outside their control. Otherwise why bother?

Allow me a stupid question!!

Would there any difference in the DNA tested from fluids, skin or hair??

What I mean is, would it be possible to get a DNA swab from the suspects saliver and claim it was retrived from the sperm found in the victim??

DNA is DNA (i.e. the same) wherever it is taken from, even from bones. Experts can establish the familial relationships of 4,000 year old Egyptian skeletons through DNA from the bones. It's how it is tested and compared which is important.

For all those asking again, yes, post-mortems were carried out on Hannah, and presumably David, as soon as the bodies were returned to the U.K., by a "Home Office" pathologist no less (source: BBC News), in other words, a forensic specialist. I have no idea whether the bodies were embalmed or not before repatriation, or what effect that would have had on these 2nd post-mortems, as there has been no official statement on this.

You are saying DNA from semen and from somatic cells are the same. This is not true.

No, it IS true. You are getting confused because each individual sperm cell has a half copy of the DNA of somatic cells - 23 chromosomes, not 46.

But if you prepare DNA from a large number of sperm cells, as you get from a biological sample, it contains ALL the chromosomes (DNA) of the donor and is identical to DNA that is prepared from somatic (body) cells like the cheek swab cells that are taken as forensic samples from suspects.

It's like if you were to store the black and white pieces of a chess set in a single box, or in two separate boxes. Once you take the pieces out of the containers (prepare the DNA) you still have a complete and identical, chess set.

[hobz]

There's a new piece of "evidence" created by CSI LA .. https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t31.0-8/10679864_727875407290187_4086516763862413803_o.jpg you probably need to be signed in to facebook to see it..

The picture shows that the man seen running on CCTV is roughly 160-167cm tall.. The scapegoats are roughly 145-148cm tall.. Nom Sod and Mon are 160cm and 168cm respectively ..

Not evidence yet just theories as he would need perfect messurements of the door and blah blah blah....but that dude is relentless and damn good in my book.

Yes that's why i put evidence in quotes in my post... "evidence" ... That being said,, CSI LA claims to know that the door is exactly 200cm.

[harleyclarkey]

I really hope this brings and end to all the speculation. This should be conclusive.

It seems that the unfortunate woman was raped before being brutally murdered. If so this is where the DNA sample of the perpetrator(s) will come from.

I doubt if the Myanmar guys "fluids" can be placed after the event.

I also doubt the British police will allow any sample to be analysed outside their control. Otherwise why bother?

Allow me a stupid question!!

Would there any difference in the DNA tested from fluids, skin or hair??

What I mean is, would it be possible to get a DNA swab from the suspects saliver and claim it was retrived from the sperm found in the victim??

JOC.....My guess is no. All the same.

But the semen that would be present would be a large definitive pool of evidence and a source for the DNA. and that would be specific to the rapist/murderer.

Anyone could place a hair, skin smear or maybe saliva after the event. But semen??? Unlikely

[hobz]

I really hope this brings and end to all the speculation. This should be conclusive.

It seems that the unfortunate woman was raped before being brutally murdered. If so this is where the DNA sample of the perpetrator(s) will come from.

I doubt if the Myanmar guys "fluids" can be placed after the event.

I also doubt the British police will allow any sample to be analysed outside their control. Otherwise why bother?

Allow me a stupid question!!

Would there any difference in the DNA tested from fluids, skin or hair??

What I mean is, would it be possible to get a DNA swab from the suspects saliver and claim it was retrived from the sperm found in the victim??

JOC.....My guess is no. All the same.

But the semen that would be present would be a large definitive pool of evidence and a source for the DNA. and that would be specific to the rapist/murderer.

Anyone could place a hair, skin smear or maybe saliva after the event. But semen??? Unlikely

There has been reports about thai police forcing scapegoats to masturbate so that they can collect the semen ... That being said,, IF that happened in this case, I Think the scapegoats would have reported it along with their other reports of alleged torture etc... So probably not.

[MJP]

CSI LA Facebook page is not considered a sufficiently reliable source of news to be used/linked/posted/quoted on Thai Visa Forum.

All posts containing links to or quotes from CSI LA Facebook page have to be removed by moderators.

If the source of the information CSI LA are using is an international, national or local paper or reliable media source please feel free to link that only. It also needs to be in English as this is an English language only forum.

[JOC]

Thaivisa doesn't allow the linking of a certain facebook group anymore, but on there are rumors police have confirmed Nomsod is the guilty party. If so Thailand 'allowing a second DNA test' and be seen to be assisting in the investigation would be a way to save face slightly.

Remember this post from yesterday on this very thread??

Just proves how easy it is to spread rumours on social media!!

Edit. After posting, I saw the post from MJP, just before mine. Clearly as my post proves, there is a good reason to not allow links to CSI LA

Edited October 30, 2014 by JOC

[MJP]

Another one!

CSI LA Facebook page is not considered a sufficiently reliable source of news to be used/linked/posted/quoted on Thai Visa Forum.

All posts containing links to or quotes from CSI LA Facebook page have to be removed by moderators.

If the source of the information CSI LA are using is an international, national or local paper or reliable media source please feel free to link that only. It also needs to be in English as this is an English language only forum.

CSI LA Facebook links doing the MJP head in.

[Soutpeel]

Edit. After posting, I saw the post from MJP, just before mine. Clearly as my post proves, there is a good reason to not allow links to CSI LA:whistling:

cant see why CSI LA is being singled out 98% of what has been written on this case across all the TV threads is rumour and speculation from both the RTP apologists and TV CSI loonies, no different from the CSI LA.

your post proves nothing, lest not forget TV is social media, and there are some commenting on from both sides of the fench who are clearly in need of medication and consultations with mental health professionals, and there are those you are posting because they have agenda's that is obvious

[jspill]

Thaivisa doesn't allow the linking of a certain facebook group anymore, but on there are rumors police have confirmed Nomsod is the guilty party. If so Thailand 'allowing a second DNA test' and be seen to be assisting in the investigation would be a way to save face slightly.

Remember this post from yesterday on this very thread??

Just proves how easy it is to spread rumours on social media!!

Edit. After posting, I saw the post from MJP, just before mine. Clearly as my post proves, there is a good reason to not allow links to CSI LA

Nothing wrong with investigating rumors and disproving them as part of an investigation. Social media has been a great force for good in this case.

[MJP]

Thaivisa doesn't allow the linking of a certain facebook group anymore, but on there are rumors police have confirmed Nomsod is the guilty party. If so Thailand 'allowing a second DNA test' and be seen to be assisting in the investigation would be a way to save face slightly.

Remember this post from yesterday on this very thread??

Just proves how easy it is to spread rumours on social media!!

Edit. After posting, I saw the post from MJP, just before mine. Clearly as my post proves, there is a good reason to not allow links to CSI LA

Nothing wrong with investigating rumors and disproving them as part of an investigation. Social media has been a great force for good in this case.

Make you right, but please no more CSI LA links. Keep to reliable news sources.

Ta!

[Soutpeel]

Thaivisa doesn't allow the linking of a certain facebook group anymore, but on there are rumors police have confirmed Nomsod is the guilty party. If so Thailand 'allowing a second DNA test' and be seen to be assisting in the investigation would be a way to save face slightly.

Remember this post from yesterday on this very thread??

Just proves how easy it is to spread rumours on social media!!

Edit. After posting, I saw the post from MJP, just before mine. Clearly as my post proves, there is a good reason to not allow links to CSI LA

Nothing wrong with investigating rumors and disproving them as part of an investigation. Social media has been a great force for good in this case.

Make you right, but please no more CSI LA links. Keep to reliable news sources.

Ta!

Well it seems people on CSI LA are calling for a boycott of TV saying TV is censoring posts

Let the battle of the websites begin

[MJP]

Many CSI LA reports are unsubstantiated so we can't use them on Thai Visa. If those reports become substantiated and reported by the papers or television, we can use that material. No problem.

We cannot post unsubstantiated rumours on the Thai Visa news forum. We can only report and discuss what the papers, television are reporting, or official government (UK as well) releases.

[JOC]

Thaivisa doesn't allow the linking of a certain facebook group anymore, but on there are rumors police have confirmed Nomsod is the guilty party. If so Thailand 'allowing a second DNA test' and be seen to be assisting in the investigation would be a way to save face slightly.

Remember this post from yesterday on this very thread??

Just proves how easy it is to spread rumours on social media!!

Edit. After posting, I saw the post from MJP, just before mine. Clearly as my post proves, there is a good reason to not allow links to CSI LA

Nothing wrong with investigating rumors and disproving them as part of an investigation. Social media has been a great force for good in this case.

So if I wrote:

"Police have now turned their attention to Mr jspill, an English national who was captured on CCTV leaving the scene of the crime, and had an argument with the victims earlier in the night.

Mr jspill left the island early the next morning. According to the police, they found bloodsoaked clothes in the garbagecan outside the suspects rented bungalow. Mr jspill have several convictions in his homecountry for domistic violence and rape. Police are now seeking a warrant for his arrest"

That would be okay with you, because it is up to the readers to dismiss it, as part of their game on the internet??

Sorry, I don't believe you!!

[jspill]

So if I wrote:

"Police have now turned their attention to Mr jspill, an English national who was captured on CCTV leaving the scene of the crime, and had an argument with the victims earlier in the night.

Mr jspill left the island early the next morning. According to the police, they found bloodsoaked clothes in the garbagecan outside the suspects rented bungalow. Mr jspill have several convictions in his homecountry for domistic violence and rape. Police are now seeking a warrant for his arrest"

That would be okay with you, because it is up to the readers to dismiss it, as part of their game on the internet??

Sorry, I don't believe you!!

That'd be fine because then your motivations for the rumor spreading would be investigated and may reveal something.

Anyway I didn't link CSI LA directly, didn't say the content should be believed, and used words like 'if' and 'rumor', so that's not remotely comparable

[jdinasia]

So if I wrote:

"Police have now turned their attention to Mr jspill, an English national who was captured on CCTV leaving the scene of the crime, and had an argument with the victims earlier in the night.

Mr jspill left the island early the next morning. According to the police, they found bloodsoaked clothes in the garbagecan outside the suspects rented bungalow. Mr jspill have several convictions in his homecountry for domistic violence and rape. Police are now seeking a warrant for his arrest"

That would be okay with you, because it is up to the readers to dismiss it, as part of their game on the internet??

Sorry, I don't believe you!!

That'd be fine because then your motivations for the rumor spreading would be investigated and may reveal something.

Anyway I didn't link CSI LA directly, didn't say the content should be believed, and used words like 'if' and 'rumor', so that's not remotely comparable

So, you appear to be in favor of investigating those spreading rumors? Does that include on TVF and csila?

[maxme]

A second test to compare with what. That is the key thing. No-one is doubting the tests. Everyone is doubting the samples which they were compared with. Where did these samples come from?

Many people were doubting the tests "came back too fast" etc

I spoke to soon. Welcome in. Without opposition there is no debate. Without debate there will be no conclusion. As much as it pains me to say I'm glad one of you is here to stir things up and provide stimulus.

Back to back meetings in the morning, but I will do my best to point out the lies and inconsistencies from the tin foil hat brigade.

You do realize that most of them have put you on their ignore list. So you are only talking to a few here.

But please blabber on, we are part of the tin foil hat brigade and you belongn to the corrupt and bought brigade. All is well...

Edited October 30, 2014 by maxme

[AleG]

I spoke to soon. Welcome in. Without opposition there is no debate. Without debate there will be no conclusion. As much as it pains me to say I'm glad one of you is here to stir things up and provide stimulus.

Back to back meetings in the morning, but I will do my best to point out the lies and inconsistencies from the tin foil hat brigade.

You do realize that most of them have put you on their ignore list. So you are only talking to a few here.

But please blabber on, we are part of the tin foil hat brigade and you belongn to the corrupt and bought brigade. All is well...

A few years ago it was possible to have interesting and educated exchanges of ideas here, but now this forum has truly gone to the dogs.