Guy Scott becomes Africa's first white president since Apartheid

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Guy Scott becomes Africa's first white president since Apartheid

ZAMBIAN Vice President Guy Scott has became Africa’s first white leader in more than two decades after being named interim president following the death of Michael Sata in London.

The 77-year-old Sata, nicknamed “King Cobra” for his sharp rhetoric, died on Tuesday while undergoing treatment for an unspecified illness in London’s King Edward VII hospital.

Officials had long denied Sata was sick, even prosecuting journalists who questioned his long “working vacations” to Israel and elsewhere.

Some Zambians responded to the news by asking why he died in an upscale foreign hospital and expressed anger over government secrecy, including claims he was going to London for a check-up. “They were cheating,” said Mundia Akapelwa, a young mother visiting Lusaka’s Soweto market.

“They knew well that he was going to seek medical attention. You can hide sickness, but you can’t hide death. Now the whole world knows that the man has died in hospital.” In the hours following Sata’s demise it was unclear who would lead the country, or his Patriotic Front party, which has been accused of creeping authoritarianism.

Full story: http://www.news.com.au/world/guy-scott-becomes-africas-first-white-president-since-apartheid/story-fndir2ev-1227107163608


-- News.com.au 2014-10-30

[Somtamnication]

Not worried about Zambia. They need a white president in Zimbabwe!!! Get the farmers to come back!

[AlexRRR]

might be start of a trend...

[Lissos]

Apparently the constitution in Zambia is wired in such a way that, due to his heritage, once his interim period expires that is it.

Source - http://tinyurl.com/nun2pe5

Scott himself is fully aware of this, so any domestic conspiracy theorists in Zambia need not get their knickers in a twist.

[Don Aleman]

Maybe apartheid was bad but ending it was the worst thing that ever happened to black Africans and, indeed the rest of the world ,( Minnesota has over 50,000

black, naturally unemployed, Somalians keeping police/emergency dept. very busy and the states welfare budget crippled ).

[samjaidee]

Maybe apartheid was bad but ending it was the worst thing that ever happened to black Africans and, indeed the rest of the world ,( Minnesota has over 50,000

black, naturally unemployed, Somalians keeping police/emergency dept. very busy and the states welfare budget crippled ).

You do realise that apartheid was in South Africa which is only one of 47 countries on the African continent, don't you?

That is 53 million people out of a total continental African population of 1.1 billion. That's about 4% of Africa under apartheid rule.

It was not the worst things that happened to black Africans; colonisation was. You're right that the ANC has not been as successful as hoped in South Africa but that's only one small country in a huge continent.

So... the ending of Apartheid in South Africa was the worst thing that has ever happened in the world? You honestly believe that? It is what you wrote. I do not believe that anyone has an inherent right to restrict the movement of people in their own country simply because of their race. I like to think that the majority of people have the same view. Except the State of Israel, obviously.

​Since you mentioned Minnesota I presume you're American. Do you have world geography and history lessons in US High Schools?

London has Somalis working hard to support their families.

All the best.

[RustBucket]

Maybe apartheid was bad but ending it was the worst thing that ever happened to black Africans and, indeed the rest of the world ,( Minnesota has over 50,000

black, naturally unemployed, Somalians keeping police/emergency dept. very busy and the states welfare budget crippled ).

You do realise that apartheid was in South Africa which is only one of 47 countries on the African continent, don't you?

That is 53 million people out of a total continental African population of 1.1 billion. That's about 4% of Africa under apartheid rule.

It was not the worst things that happened to black Africans; colonisation was. You're right that the ANC has not been as successful as hoped in South Africa but that's only one small country in a huge continent.

So... the ending of Apartheid in South Africa was the worst thing that has ever happened in the world? You honestly believe that? It is what you wrote. I do not believe that anyone has an inherent right to restrict the movement of people in their own country simply because of their race. I like to think that the majority of people have the same view. Except the State of Israel, obviously.

​Since you mentioned Minnesota I presume you're American. Do you have world geography and history lessons in US High Schools?

London has Somalis working hard to support their families.

All the best.

I believe he was referring to the black population of RSA not continental Africa.

I was working in Southern Africa including Zimbabwe, Malawi, Zambia and RSA at the end of apartheid. I can confirm he is right.

Once the ANC was voted in, there was a massive exodus of whites from RSA. Unemployment rocketed. Crime rose faster than ebola with 90 murders a day in the country (50 a day in Jo'berg alone). The Rand collapsed from 4.5 Rand to the GBP to 12 Rand to the GBP in the first 6 months (17.5 today).

Poverty rose at an alarming rate. Corruption was everywhere with most of it coming from the ANC. RSA started to resemble Kenya in most respects. Mandella was anything but a hero. All he did was make himself filthy rich.

I was there.

[khaowong1]

Maybe apartheid was bad but ending it was the worst thing that ever happened to black Africans and, indeed the rest of the world ,( Minnesota has over 50,000

black, naturally unemployed, Somalians keeping police/emergency dept. very busy and the states welfare budget crippled ).

You do realise that apartheid was in South Africa which is only one of 47 countries on the African continent, don't you?

That is 53 million people out of a total continental African population of 1.1 billion. That's about 4% of Africa under apartheid rule.

It was not the worst things that happened to black Africans; colonisation was. You're right that the ANC has not been as successful as hoped in South Africa but that's only one small country in a huge continent.

So... the ending of Apartheid in South Africa was the worst thing that has ever happened in the world? You honestly believe that? It is what you wrote. I do not believe that anyone has an inherent right to restrict the movement of people in their own country simply because of their race. I like to think that the majority of people have the same view. Except the State of Israel, obviously.

​Since you mentioned Minnesota I presume you're American. Do you have world geography and history lessons in US High Schools?

London has Somalis working hard to support their families.

All the best.

I believe he was referring to the black population of RSA not continental Africa.

I was working in Southern Africa including Zimbabwe, Malawi, Zambia and RSA at the end of apartheid. I can confirm he is right.

Once the ANC was voted in, there was a massive exodus of whites from RSA. Unemployment rocketed. Crime rose faster than ebola with 90 murders a day in the country (50 a day in Jo'berg alone). The Rand collapsed from 4.5 Rand to the GBP to 12 Rand to the GBP in the first 6 months (17.5 today).

Poverty rose at an alarming rate. Corruption was everywhere with most of it coming from the ANC. RSA started to resemble Kenya in most respects. Mandella was anything but a hero. All he did was make himself filthy rich.

I was there.

Too many people wearing rose colored glasses RustBucket.. They will never believe you..

[Tep]

You do realise that apartheid was in South Africa which is only one of 47 countries on the African continent, don't you?

That is 53 million people out of a total continental African population of 1.1 billion. That's about 4% of Africa under apartheid rule.

It was not the worst things that happened to black Africans; colonisation was. You're right that the ANC has not been as successful as hoped in South Africa but that's only one small country in a huge continent.

So... the ending of Apartheid in South Africa was the worst thing that has ever happened in the world? You honestly believe that? It is what you wrote. I do not believe that anyone has an inherent right to restrict the movement of people in their own country simply because of their race. I like to think that the majority of people have the same view. Except the State of Israel, obviously.

​Since you mentioned Minnesota I presume you're American. Do you have world geography and history lessons in US High Schools?

London has Somalis working hard to support their families.

All the best.

I believe he was referring to the black population of RSA not continental Africa.

I was working in Southern Africa including Zimbabwe, Malawi, Zambia and RSA at the end of apartheid. I can confirm he is right.

Once the ANC was voted in, there was a massive exodus of whites from RSA. Unemployment rocketed. Crime rose faster than ebola with 90 murders a day in the country (50 a day in Jo'berg alone). The Rand collapsed from 4.5 Rand to the GBP to 12 Rand to the GBP in the first 6 months (17.5 today).

Poverty rose at an alarming rate. Corruption was everywhere with most of it coming from the ANC. RSA started to resemble Kenya in most respects. Mandella was anything but a hero. All he did was make himself filthy rich.

I was there.

Some quite easily discovered economic and financial indicators for South Africa http://www.indexmundi.com/facts/south-africa/gdp and http://www.npconline.co.za/MediaLib/Downloads/Home/Tabs/Diagnostic/Economy2/An%20economic%20performance.pdf. Some highlights are an average GDP of 5%; a debt to GDP ratio of < 30% and CPI reduced from 6.3% after the apartheid time to 4.1%.

I thought I would find figures demonstrating a collapsed, mismanaged, dysfunctional economy.

But I forget. You were there.

[Tep]

Some quite easily discovered economic and financial indicators for South Africa http://www.indexmundi.com/facts/south-africa/gdp and http://www.npconline.co.za/MediaLib/Downloads/Home/Tabs/Diagnostic/Economy2/An%20economic%20performance.pdf. Some highlights are an average GDP of 5%; a debt to GDP ratio of < 30% and CPI reduced from 6.3% after the apartheid time to 4.1%.

I thought I would find figures demonstrating a collapsed, mismanaged, dysfunctional economy.

But I forget. You were there.

I will believe S.Africa's statistics the day I do the same for N. Korea's.

For people who actually matter, that is people with money to invest in bonds, then S&P's BBB+ http://www.standardandpoors.com/ratings/sovereigns/ratings-list/en/us/?subSectorCode=39&start=100&range=50 is a statistic to which attention is paid. I have been involved in sovereign debt ratings for Thailand. They take national statistics into account. I have heard nothing about political interference with South Africa's statistics agency but if you know of any reputable reports, please let me know.

A downgrade by Moody's in 2012 https://www.moodys.com/research/Moodys-downgrades-South-Africas-government-bond-rating-to-Baa1-outlook--PR_256159 cites declines in institutional strength and investment climate for the downgrade. I pay more attention to this because it comes from a serious methodological analysis. I view the posters analysis as influenced by race and his perceptions of race based on his postings in other threads. This is what I was responding to.

[JacChang]

We will start to have Mongolian leaders in Thailand soon...

[samjaidee]

Maybe apartheid was bad but ending it was the worst thing that ever happened to black Africans and, indeed the rest of the world ,( Minnesota has over 50,000

black, naturally unemployed, Somalians keeping police/emergency dept. very busy and the states welfare budget crippled ).

You do realise that apartheid was in South Africa which is only one of 47 countries on the African continent, don't you?

That is 53 million people out of a total continental African population of 1.1 billion. That's about 4% of Africa under apartheid rule.

It was not the worst things that happened to black Africans; colonisation was. You're right that the ANC has not been as successful as hoped in South Africa but that's only one small country in a huge continent.

So... the ending of Apartheid in South Africa was the worst thing that has ever happened in the world? You honestly believe that? It is what you wrote. I do not believe that anyone has an inherent right to restrict the movement of people in their own country simply because of their race. I like to think that the majority of people have the same view. Except the State of Israel, obviously.

​Since you mentioned Minnesota I presume you're American. Do you have world geography and history lessons in US High Schools?

London has Somalis working hard to support their families.

All the best.

I believe he was referring to the black population of RSA not continental Africa.

I was working in Southern Africa including Zimbabwe, Malawi, Zambia and RSA at the end of apartheid. I can confirm he is right.

Once the ANC was voted in, there was a massive exodus of whites from RSA. Unemployment rocketed. Crime rose faster than ebola with 90 murders a day in the country (50 a day in Jo'berg alone). The Rand collapsed from 4.5 Rand to the GBP to 12 Rand to the GBP in the first 6 months (17.5 today).

Poverty rose at an alarming rate. Corruption was everywhere with most of it coming from the ANC. RSA started to resemble Kenya in most respects. Mandella was anything but a hero. All he did was make himself filthy rich.

I was there.

I was also there.

[Bwanatickey]

The Northern Rhodesian Guy Scott was born into a country called Northern Rhodesia, yes his parents where from Scotland, but He loves the country He was born in,and later during his life the country became Zambia.

He is a Farmer, and I am proud that a Farmer who is a respected elder amongst 75 tribes , can help his country in a time of crisis. The country is in mourning.

Show some respect.

One of the few African countries that has been peaceful since independence now has a care taker President who happens to be a Farmer.

A Zambian Farmer.

The liberals around the world will hate this , because they hate His tribe, they despise His Tribe.

To all the stupid people around the world , Zambia is not South Africa.

The distance between the two is the same as Moscow is from London.

[Soutpeel]

Maybe apartheid was bad but ending it was the worst thing that ever happened to black Africans and, indeed the rest of the world ,( Minnesota has over 50,000

black, naturally unemployed, Somalians keeping police/emergency dept. very busy and the states welfare budget crippled ).

You do realise that apartheid was in South Africa which is only one of 47 countries on the African continent, don't you?

That is 53 million people out of a total continental African population of 1.1 billion. That's about 4% of Africa under apartheid rule.

It was not the worst things that happened to black Africans; colonisation was. You're right that the ANC has not been as successful as hoped in South Africa but that's only one small country in a huge continent.

So... the ending of Apartheid in South Africa was the worst thing that has ever happened in the world? You honestly believe that? It is what you wrote. I do not believe that anyone has an inherent right to restrict the movement of people in their own country simply because of their race. I like to think that the majority of people have the same view. Except the State of Israel, obviously.

​Since you mentioned Minnesota I presume you're American. Do you have world geography and history lessons in US High Schools?

London has Somalis working hard to support their families.

All the best.

I believe he was referring to the black population of RSA not continental Africa.

I was working in Southern Africa including Zimbabwe, Malawi, Zambia and RSA at the end of apartheid. I can confirm he is right.

Once the ANC was voted in, there was a massive exodus of whites from RSA. Unemployment rocketed. Crime rose faster than ebola with 90 murders a day in the country (50 a day in Jo'berg alone). The Rand collapsed from 4.5 Rand to the GBP to 12 Rand to the GBP in the first 6 months (17.5 today).

Poverty rose at an alarming rate. Corruption was everywhere with most of it coming from the ANC. RSA started to resemble Kenya in most respects. Mandella was anything but a hero. All he did was make himself filthy rich.

I was there.

I was also there.

So was I, although Rust buckets premise maybe correct, his last sentence is factually incorrect, I believe Mandela's estate was only worth R 2.0 million, so hardly filthy rich, out of all of them Mandela was IMHO one of the decent ones, I do think he truly believed in trying to do right for SA and its people, the problem is/was all the other hangers on in the ANC with their "fingers in the till".

as regards the crime rates exploding and the numbers of murders increasing, again maybe not factually correct, the murder/crime rate was always high, but it was contained for the most part to the townships and the National party didnt really give a sh*t if the natives were killing each other in the townships, what changed was the fact that the crime & murders expanded out of the townships into the "safe white" suburbs.

anyway this is SA we are talking about not Zambia, which is the topic at hand, for the uninitiated in the African continent, RSA and Zambia are many miles apart and as someone else indicated RSA - Zambia - London - Moscow...a very good analogy

Edited November 1, 2014 by Soutpeel

[Soutpeel]

The Northern Rhodesian Guy Scott was born into a country called Northern Rhodesia, yes his parents where from Scotland, but He loves the country He was born in,and later during his life the country became Zambia.

He is a Farmer, and I am proud that a Farmer who is a respected elder amongst 75 tribes , can help his country in a time of crisis. The country is in mourning.

Show some respect.

One of the few African countries that has been peaceful since independence now has a care taker President who happens to be a Farmer.

A Zambian Farmer.

The liberals around the world will hate this , because they hate His tribe, they despise His Tribe.

To all the stupid people around the world , Zambia is not South Africa.

The distance between the two is the same as Moscow is from London.

One of the few African countries that has been peaceful since independence,

Yes in the sense of violence, but lest not forgot after Independence, they did go on shall we say a Socialist/Communist type program of nationalizing the copper mines/decreased foreign investment which nearly collapsed the country, but the saving grace was they realized what was happening and learned from this and changed and later one even encouraged white SA farmers to come to Zambia with the offer of free land, so it did all work out in the end, I agree.

But one wonders if the ANC will realism the same thing in SA, while they are looting and pillaging the treasury, after all one of their goals is to nationalize the SA mines, something which they haven't achieved yet, but not from lack of trying

[samran]

The Northern Rhodesian Guy Scott was born into a country called Northern Rhodesia, yes his parents where from Scotland, but He loves the country He was born in,and later during his life the country became Zambia.

He is a Farmer, and I am proud that a Farmer who is a respected elder amongst 75 tribes , can help his country in a time of crisis. The country is in mourning.

Show some respect.

One of the few African countries that has been peaceful since independence now has a care taker President who happens to be a Farmer.

A Zambian Farmer.

The liberals around the world will hate this , because they hate His tribe, they despise His Tribe.

To all the stupid people around the world , Zambia is not South Africa.

The distance between the two is the same as Moscow is from London.

One of the few African countries that has been peaceful since independence,

Yes in the sense of violence, but lest not forgot after Independence, they did go on shall we say a Socialist/Communist type program of nationalizing the copper mines/decreased foreign investment which nearly collapsed the country, but the saving grace was they realized what was happening and learned from this and changed and later one even encouraged white SA farmers to come to Zambia with the offer of free land, so it did all work out in the end, I agree.

But one wonders if the ANC will realism the same thing in SA, while they are looting and pillaging the treasury, after all one of their goals is to nationalize the SA mines, something which they haven't achieved yet, but not from lack of trying

How does the opposition rate in SA? Gaining ground or are they always going to be a distant second?

[Soutpeel]

The Northern Rhodesian Guy Scott was born into a country called Northern Rhodesia, yes his parents where from Scotland, but He loves the country He was born in,and later during his life the country became Zambia.

He is a Farmer, and I am proud that a Farmer who is a respected elder amongst 75 tribes , can help his country in a time of crisis. The country is in mourning.

Show some respect.

One of the few African countries that has been peaceful since independence now has a care taker President who happens to be a Farmer.

A Zambian Farmer.

The liberals around the world will hate this , because they hate His tribe, they despise His Tribe.

To all the stupid people around the world , Zambia is not South Africa.

The distance between the two is the same as Moscow is from London.

One of the few African countries that has been peaceful since independence,

Yes in the sense of violence, but lest not forgot after Independence, they did go on shall we say a Socialist/Communist type program of nationalizing the copper mines/decreased foreign investment which nearly collapsed the country, but the saving grace was they realized what was happening and learned from this and changed and later one even encouraged white SA farmers to come to Zambia with the offer of free land, so it did all work out in the end, I agree.

But one wonders if the ANC will realism the same thing in SA, while they are looting and pillaging the treasury, after all one of their goals is to nationalize the SA mines, something which they haven't achieved yet, but not from lack of trying

How does the opposition rate in SA? Gaining ground or are they always going to be a distant second?

The opposition is making ground, enough to ever unseat the ANC at a national level ?...

Not in my life time one suspects, Is the majority going to get fed up with the antics of the ANC and there is a massive sea change and they get thrown out ?....dont think so

In some respects SA politics is similar to Thai politics, cronyism, corruption, broken populist promises, pipe dreams and general BS spoken and nothing changes.

Where it gets interesting is at local level for example the DA (Democratic Alliance) in the Western Cape increased its majority to nearly 60%, with the ANC in second place with only 30%....the Western Cape has always been one of the places the ANC has struggled to get a foothold in since the first election, they have never only been in power there via an ANC/National Party coalition provincial government and they were eventually hoofed out of power around 2009 by the DA.

Will the "pockets of resistance" to the ANC grow bigger regionally ? most certainly, grow enough to get them out of power ?, properly not

[HatYai2]

As Soutpeel says much like Thai politics. The ANC will lose in 10 years time, but to another black grouping.

Government officials and business leaders vote ANC because that's where the money is. The great unwashed will never vote for a white party. The ANC continues to play the race card, to garner votes from the uneducated because 'a vote for the DA is a vote to bring back apartheid'

They moan every day about the lack of services and incompetent officials. The day that they go to vote thought it's the same old story. A T-shirt and some KFC (or just a promise of it) and they vote ANC again.

Zuma has a tragically good grasp of his audience 'Only clever people care about (corruption)' and 'Corruption is only a crime in Western eyes, and since it is victimless it is acceptable '(in his case)

Bringing it back on topic - that is why Zambia's Guy Scott's situation is so silly but typically African. Never look for the best person for the job, before excluding all the non-blacks.

As for mismanagement, they inherited a working system and lucked into a commodities boom. Go there now (or worse still, go there once a year) and see the regression. When you get back here you see how minor the complaints about Thailand really are! (people on this forum talk about the Hub of Crime/corruption/bad driving...)

[Scott]

Racist posts removed.

[samjaidee]

Maybe apartheid was bad but ending it was the worst thing that ever happened to black Africans and, indeed the rest of the world ,( Minnesota has over 50,000

black, naturally unemployed, Somalians keeping police/emergency dept. very busy and the states welfare budget crippled ).

You do realise that apartheid was in South Africa which is only one of 47 countries on the African continent, don't you?

That is 53 million people out of a total continental African population of 1.1 billion. That's about 4% of Africa under apartheid rule.

It was not the worst things that happened to black Africans; colonisation was. You're right that the ANC has not been as successful as hoped in South Africa but that's only one small country in a huge continent.

So... the ending of Apartheid in South Africa was the worst thing that has ever happened in the world? You honestly believe that? It is what you wrote. I do not believe that anyone has an inherent right to restrict the movement of people in their own country simply because of their race. I like to think that the majority of people have the same view. Except the State of Israel, obviously.

​Since you mentioned Minnesota I presume you're American. Do you have world geography and history lessons in US High Schools?

London has Somalis working hard to support their families.

All the best.

I believe he was referring to the black population of RSA not continental Africa.

I was working in Southern Africa including Zimbabwe, Malawi, Zambia and RSA at the end of apartheid. I can confirm he is right.

Once the ANC was voted in, there was a massive exodus of whites from RSA. Unemployment rocketed. Crime rose faster than ebola with 90 murders a day in the country (50 a day in Jo'berg alone). The Rand collapsed from 4.5 Rand to the GBP to 12 Rand to the GBP in the first 6 months (17.5 today).

Poverty rose at an alarming rate. Corruption was everywhere with most of it coming from the ANC. RSA started to resemble Kenya in most respects. Mandella was anything but a hero. All he did was make himself filthy rich.

I was there.

Funnily enough, so was I. Mostly in Cape Town but I also spent time in Zim.