Panel proposes dissolving Thai police head office, governing body

[webfact]

Panel proposes dissolving police head office, governing body
The Nation

BANGKOK: -- The National Reform Council's judicial reform committee on Tuesday resolved to dissolve the Royal Thai Police and the Police Commission and to transfer police agencies to the control of relevant ministries and local governments.

Wanchai Sonsiri, the spokesman of the panel said the proposals have yet to be deliberated by the NRC.

He said his panel felt that there should be a new agency, the National Council for Police Affairs, to govern police. Members of the council would be the heads of government agencies concerned and specialists.

Wanchai said the panel felt that police with different responsibilities should be transferred to ministries concerned with such responsibilities. For example, the forestry police should be transferred to the Forestry Department under the Natural Resources and Environment Ministry and the tourist police should be transferred to the Tourism and Sports Ministry.

The police should also be centralised to become police forces under regional and local administrations.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Panel-proposes-dissolving-police-head-office-gover-30248997.html


-- The Nation 2014-12-02

[JOC]

Just moving the corruption to another location!!

[EyesWideOpen]

At last !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[JOC]

Slowly, slowly, slowly the army is taking control!!

While distracting people with their beachcleaning, taxiranks and soapy-massage closures.

We are moving in a dangerous direction!!

[JOC]

Wonder which ministry the pisstesting Thong Lor cops are going to be transferred to?

"The Ministry of Sewers"

[slapout]

Which ministry police group will be highest in the pecking order The toursim and sports ministry has a step child reputation where budget is concered so will pay be different depending on ministry assigned?

I can see the number of political generals increasing post haste and tea money to get promotion may be somewhat reduced as another avenue may be avaliable, competation is only good if the winners are predetermined, by the boss. Don't you know nothing?

Lets not eliminate one avenue for corruption unless we can add/find 3 or 4 as replacement. Loose cannons rolling around on the deck, comes to mind. Some humans were just not intended to contribute to society

[TVGerry]

In most cases, it's always scary when the army wants to take over as the police. However, this being the corrupt and extremely useless BIBs, I'm actually for it.

[KarenBravo]

yay......

[jabis]

Hrmm... Ministries with their own armed "squads", looking after their own agendas'... Where have we seen this before - hmmm....

[EnzoRippo]

We cannot blame think tanks to have original ideas. We cannot blame authorities of a country where some branches are rotten to work on new concepts.

BUT, it would be very new. No country dared to test that.

I'm curious.

Well, I'm pretty sure that this idea will never see the light, nevertheless, if Thailand tried that I'm afraid that it would be worst than now: beside the corruption which would increase and the country would be totally disorganized.

[MaxLee]

Just a cover up for inactive posts, is my guess,....

[EyesWideOpen]

Just follow what Georgia did, no need to re-invent the wheel...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_in_Georgia_%28country%29

"In 2005. Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili fired "the entire traffic police force" of the Georgian National Police due to corruption,^[2] numbering around 30,000 police officers.^[3]"

[retsdon]

So each government department has its own independent police force? A novel idea...

[MobileContent]

This is so wrong.

What should be done is that law enforcement is over-looked by each province and not at a national level.

Each province will have an Interior Minister who is in charge of the Law enforcement. The Interior Minister of each province should report to their provincial authority. The Interior Minister should be a civilian of good standing with a CLEAN track record.

The same is for the Defense Minister. A defense minister should always be a civilian and this should be written in the constitution.

Dissolving the Thai police might be a good start to get their act together but under no circumstance should someone control again the police nationwide out of Bangkok.

PS: All Future Police officer should go for a Police Academy School for at least 3 years of which only 20-30% will be chosen. The other 70-80% that fail could be used for the Correct Department or they can join the private sector.

In Thailand you can join the police in no time, by buying a small bike, a gun and a uniform. This must be STOPPED.

Edited December 2, 2014 by MobileContent

[jpeg]

At last !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry to disappoint. But having first been tucked up by my local plod shop (piece of 'already transferred' sh1t not in attendance), they couldn't have been more helpful/embarrassed (I know them all by name, and they me ). The Chief of Police stated 'I go with you to ....... to jap'. Some wery wery good people in the police, but when others have no compunction but to accept a bribe, where are they?

The police have a very hard time being able to survive on their salaries. But. Begs the question 'who already knows this, and why don't they address it?' OF course there will always be greedy b4stards who will still want/need more than their meager salaries. So who, ultimately, is at fault?

[waitforusalso]

"The Thai military now has more than 1,750 flag officers (generals and admirals), a bloated number for a military of its size. Many of these officers - perhaps most - do not perform duties commensurate with their rank and many literally have no job at all. What they do have, however, is the rank, high salary and status among the rank and file that comes with the position of a flag officer."

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/SEA-01-011013.html

So when is the restructuring of the RTA commencing?

[JOC]

We cannot blame think tanks to have original ideas. We cannot blame authorities of a country where some branches are rotten to work on new concepts.

BUT, it would be very new. No country dared to test that.

I'm curious.

Well, I'm pretty sure that this idea will never see the light, nevertheless, if Thailand tried that I'm afraid that it would be worst than now: beside the corruption which would increase and the country would be totally disorganized.

"And the country would be totally disorganized"

How exactly would you describe the present state of affairs??

[JOC]

At last !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry to disappoint. But having first been tucked up by my local plod shop (piece of 'already transferred' sh1t not in attendance), they couldn't have been more helpful/embarrassed (I know them all by name, and they me ). The Chief of Police stated 'I go with you to ....... to jap'. Some wery wery good people in the police, but when others have no compunction but to accept a bribe, where are they?

The police have a very hard time being able to survive on their salaries. But. Begs the question 'who already knows this, and why don't they address it?' OF course there will always be greedy b4stards who will still want/need more than their meager salaries. So who, ultimately, is at fault?

In a more civilized country you would have Police Unions negotiating their wages as an alternative to stealing from the public!!

[skippybangkok]

I don't see what the problem is, how do you miss something which you never had to start off with

[sweatalot]

Another smokescreen.

New names for old shit

[seajae]

stupid thing is that the police actually did their jobs, ie, traffic cops, highway cops etc and started to issue fines(legal ones) to all those that did not obey the traffic laws (red lights, indicators, giving way, having a licence, being old enough, speeding, driving/riding while using a mobile phone, driving on the wrong side/wrong way, crossing double lines, using the wrong lanes etc) and confiscated cars/bikes if not paid they would make an absolute fortune and be able to pay the police a decent wage. The police are never on the roads unless they need tea money, they do not stop people doing the wrong thing, they will not come out to a house when they are called to an offence being committed, they refuse to do anything that is any type of work or in the heat of the day/rain, maybe they need to be taught how to actually be police and what their duties involve. Also why in the hell do they drive those stupid single/twin cab trucks and not proper police cars, they are heaps of sh*t and seem to be used by everyone else to do any moving they need done.

[rasmus5150]

Just a change of color......... Brown to Green. SAME SAME, but different.

[lovetotravel]

Just follow what Georgia did, no need to re-invent the wheel...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_in_Georgia_%28country%29

"In 2005. Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili fired "the entire traffic police force" of the Georgian National Police due to corruption,^[2] numbering around 30,000 police officers.^[3]"

And crime actually went down for the 3 months they had no police force. Why? The police were involved with every form of crime. One way or another.

[Robby nz]

stupid thing is that the police actually did their jobs, ie, traffic cops, highway cops etc and started to issue fines(legal ones) to all those that did not obey the traffic laws (red lights, indicators, giving way, having a licence, being old enough, speeding, driving/riding while using a mobile phone, driving on the wrong side/wrong way, crossing double lines, using the wrong lanes etc) and confiscated cars/bikes if not paid they would make an absolute fortune and be able to pay the police a decent wage. The police are never on the roads unless they need tea money, they do not stop people doing the wrong thing, they will not come out to a house when they are called to an offence being committed, they refuse to do anything that is any type of work or in the heat of the day/rain, maybe they need to be taught how to actually be police and what their duties involve. Also why in the hell do they drive those stupid single/twin cab trucks and not proper police cars, they are heaps of sh*t and seem to be used by everyone else to do any moving they need done.

When I see a post like that I don't know whether its ignorance or just slagging off.

Have you ever been behind a police station and seen the collection of confiscated bikes ?

Like these :

Yes they do take bikes off people and cars. And that's only part of the collection behind one police station

Have you never seen the cops standing out in the roads in the heat and fumes in BKK directing and watching traffic, nothing in it for them and not a job I would fancy.

Not only in BKK, this cop was doing a great job keeping the traffic moving at a busy intersection in a small town :

Only doing his job.

From what I read on these pages the ones who complain most about the cops are those who have been pulled up while breaking the law, speeding, no helmet and such and have chosen to go along with corruption and hand over money.

Personally as a guest in this country I try not to break any laws and the interactions I have had with cops have all been good.

It is obvious there are some very bad ones out there and most of them seem to be able to get into senior positions but that doesn't tar them all with the same brush.

Seems a good idea to at least put some divisions of the police under individual ministries, for instance at present all immigration officials are police, so where does the immigration Dept fit in ?

To make them all immigration officials rather than police with specialized training would make sense.

The OP mentioned centralization to regional and local administrations :

The police should also be centralised to become police forces under regional and local administrations.

I think that has been misreported or translated and should be decentralized which is something I have seen advocated on these pages.

[candide]

The experience in other countries is rather that the more decentralised polices forces are, the more corruption by local mafias, etc... Mexico is a good example of it.

[jpeg]

Sorry to disappoint. But having first been tucked up by my local plod shop (piece of 'already transferred' sh1t not in attendance), they couldn't have been more helpful/embarrassed (I know them all by name, and they me ). The Chief of Police stated 'I go with you to ....... to jap'. Some wery wery good people in the police, but when others have no compunction but to accept a bribe, where are they?

The police have a very hard time being able to survive on their salaries. But. Begs the question 'who already knows this, and why don't they address it?' OF course there will always be greedy b4stards who will still want/need more than their meager salaries. So who, ultimately, is at fault?

In a more civilized country you would have Police Unions negotiating their wages as an alternative to stealing from the public!!

But this isn't a country welcomes Unions, is it? And talking about 'civilised' I remember a certain Phuket 'newspaper' up in arms at the proposal of Unions here on Phuket. Christ you are becoming an absolute bore! Get a <deleted> hobby or something.

Edited December 2, 2014 by metisdead
Profanity!

[Prbkk]

Really so weird that people see the police as totally corrupt and at the same time believe that the other major institution of security is as pure as the driven snow. Shades of grey if not exactly carbon copy.

[JOC]

Sorry to disappoint. But having first been tucked up by my local plod shop (piece of 'already transferred' sh1t not in attendance), they couldn't have been more helpful/embarrassed (I know them all by name, and they me ). The Chief of Police stated 'I go with you to ....... to jap'. Some wery wery good people in the police, but when others have no compunction but to accept a bribe, where are they?

The police have a very hard time being able to survive on their salaries. But. Begs the question 'who already knows this, and why don't they address it?' OF course there will always be greedy b4stards who will still want/need more than their meager salaries. So who, ultimately, is at fault?

In a more civilized country you would have Police Unions negotiating their wages as an alternative to stealing from the public!!

But this isn't a country welcomes Unions, is it? And talking about 'civilised' I remember a certain Phuket 'newspaper' up in arms at the proposal of Unions here on Phuket. Christ you are becoming an absolute bore! Get a <deleted> hobby or something.

Stalking your posts is my hobby!!

[tingtongfarang]

Really so weird that people see the police as totally corrupt and at the same time believe that the other major institution of security is as pure as the driven snow. Shades of grey if not exactly carbon copy.

Yes i agree with the fact that other agencies are corrupt to the core also but the fact remains they need a a police force to act on corruption of all other agencies, without a police force in the true sense its all a not starter ( btw i dont view the rtp as a police force in the true sense )

Then we need a police to keep the police in check, in short eyes wide open has the only logical suggestion as in the georgia model,

Fact is they have a recruitment system which for the most part only attracts criminals or applicants with criminal intent, i just cant accept that to try and reform the rtp would have any success.

[cmsally]

The police should also be centralised to become police forces under regional and local administrations.

How exactly does this make sense, I thought shifting power to a local level was decentralisation?