Bluespunk Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Torture is a barbaric way to aquire intelligence about terrorism plots or whereabouts of terror suspects. The C.I.A should be ashamed of using Thailand to hold terror suspects to try to stop the deaths of the innocent. I'm disgusted in this just as much as China is. Torture should be banished for good. No more secret prison and bring back a slap on the wrist and a stiff warning, plus no tv for a week. Torture doesn't work. Those who use torture are as bad as the scum whose bigotry they claim to be fighting against. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peecee Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 If enemies of the western allies carried this kinda stuff out it would be widely condemned and i'm sure considered a war crime. I find it quite frightening and horrific that our side carried on this practice. Don't POWs have rights...just curious is all. There's no such thing as a clean war. War crimes are carried out in all conflicts. Take the British; unlike the US (who are relatively newcomers) have a long and dark past, Africa, over a 100 years ago; saw the first concentration camps for the Boars, who suffered starvation and maltreatment. North,South and Central America, Asia, Europe and the Middle East; all have a dirty history in regard to torture and brutalization. Many behaved this way not just with POW's but with many of their own citizens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilsonandson Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Those who murder thousands of innocents need to be found by any means and it worked i.e Bin Laden. Torture works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangkokHank Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Courtesy of The Washington Post, 9 Dec 2014 What I can't understand is why they picked two such similar colors as blue and cobalt as color codes. Why didn't it occur to them to use red, say, or maybe yellow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangkokHank Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 I just came across this paragraph in an article I was reading on this subject: "In March 2002, when Abu Zubaydah, who was suspected of being the third-ranked member of Al Qaeda, was captured in Pakistan, The Times said Mitchell traveled to a CIA black site in Thailand to oversee the interrogation." The full article can be seen here: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-company-behind-cia-torture-2014-12#ixzz3LbTIbMWC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
off road pat Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Torture centre...where...???? ....try Chiang Mai...!!!! somebody I knopw lives near the airport and Saw regularly unnumbered airplanes land at night in total darkness.....all lights out on the plane and on the airfield...!!!...Thailand does not posses these capability's....and as for the type of planes...(can not give more details..)...Thailand does not posses these type to....!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Those who murder thousands of innocents need to be found by any means and it worked i.e Bin Laden. Torture works. No it doesn't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilsonandson Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 I think that what the army or intelligence agencies do are for the good of the people and are necessary to stop global terrorism which has claimed the lives of thousands. If the us goes sort on terrorism then the consequences to world peace could be serverly in jepordey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lildragon Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 I think that what the army or intelligence agencies do are for the good of the people and are necessary to stop global terrorism which has claimed the lives of thousands. If the us goes sort on terrorism then the consequences to world peace could be serverly in jepordey. Umm... The CIA's harsh interrogations of terrorist detainees during the Bush era didn't work, were more brutal than previously revealed and delivered no "ticking time bomb" information that prevented an attack, according to an explosive Senate report released Tuesday. http://edition.cnn.com/2014/12/09/politics/cia-torture-report/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 All that barbaric torture for nothing it seems Still willing to endorse it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55Jay Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Torture centre...where...???? ....try Chiang Mai...!!!! somebody I knopw lives near the airport and Saw regularly unnumbered airplanes land at night in total darkness.....all lights out on the plane and on the airfield...!!!...Thailand does not posses these capability's....and as for the type of planes...(can not give more details..)...Thailand does not posses these type to....!!! How could your friend see the aircraft were un-numbered if it was at night, in total darkness, no lights on the plane or airfield? Thailand does not have what capabilities? If you can not give details about the aircraft, how would you know Thailand doesn't have them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlQaholic Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 I think I am stupid, because some people equates these suicide bombing lunatics to ordinary people who have ordinary peoples rights? When a person thinks it is ok to walk into a shopping mall (for example) and kill women and children for their retarded cause, should that person not be considered not human and be subjected to the worst interrogation techniques possible? Of course in my honest opinion just take them out the back and shoot them in the back of the head, because forced information is always faulty, every idiot knows that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlQaholic Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 dissect the balls as they are watching, then feed the balls for dinner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
off road pat Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 (edited) Torture centre...where...???? ....try Chiang Mai...!!!! somebody I knopw lives near the airport and Saw regularly unnumbered airplanes land at night in total darkness.....all lights out on the plane and on the airfield...!!!...Thailand does not posses these capability's....and as for the type of planes...(can not give more details..)...Thailand does not posses these type to....!!! How could your friend see the aircraft were un-numbered if it was at night, in total darkness, no lights on the plane or airfield? Thailand does not have what capabilities? If you can not give details about the aircraft, how would you know Thailand doesn't have them? figure it out yourself, ...my friend lives very close to the airfield....and all lights at the airport were out but i guess the moonlight was strong enough... The Us has the capability, equipment (Night vision,) and training to land aircraft's at night all lights out... Thailand has not. and for the type of aircraft I don't want to elaborate.... best regards. Edited December 11, 2014 by off road pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
off road pat Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 (edited) Torture centre...where...???? ....try Chiang Mai...!!!! somebody I knopw lives near the airport and Saw regularly unnumbered airplanes land at night in total darkness.....all lights out on the plane and on the airfield...!!!...Thailand does not posses these capability's....and as for the type of planes...(can not give more details..)...Thailand does not posses these type to....!!! How could your friend see the aircraft were un-numbered if it was at night, in total darkness, no lights on the plane or airfield? Thailand does not have what capabilities? If you can not give details about the aircraft, how would you know Thailand doesn't have them? Edited December 11, 2014 by off road pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55Jay Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Torture centre...where...???? ....try Chiang Mai...!!!! somebody I knopw lives near the airport and Saw regularly unnumbered airplanes land at night in total darkness.....all lights out on the plane and on the airfield...!!!...Thailand does not posses these capability's....and as for the type of planes...(can not give more details..)...Thailand does not posses these type to....!!! How could your friend see the aircraft were un-numbered if it was at night, in total darkness, no lights on the plane or airfield? Thailand does not have what capabilities? If you can not give details about the aircraft, how would you know Thailand doesn't have them? figure it out yourself, ...my friend lives very close to the airfield....and all lights at the airport were out but i guess the moonlight was strong enough... The Us has the capability, equipment (Night vision,) and training to land aircraft's at night all lights out... Thailand has not. and for the type of aircraft I don't want to elaborate.... best regards. I don't understand why you don't want to elaborate on the type of aircraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony5 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 it was the "work" of that horrible elected PM! Sssth, the current one claims that he also is elected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mutha289 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 As I recall the report in question did not originate from the CIA, but came from the Democrats. I know the CIA has issues with much of that report, and I'm not sure if they have verified the existence of a prison in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestBitterPhuket Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 "Thailand remain safe for traveling, Gen Worapang asserted" unless you go to koh tao ...or you stroll down Thong Lor and get arrested for no reason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 I think I am stupid, because some people equates these suicide bombing lunatics to ordinary people who have ordinary peoples rights? When a person thinks it is ok to walk into a shopping mall (for example) and kill women and children for their retarded cause, should that person not be considered not human and be subjected to the worst interrogation techniques possible? Of course in my honest opinion just take them out the back and shoot them in the back of the head, because forced information is always faulty, every idiot knows that. Also what happens when the person being tortured or judicially executed is innocent? Torture and murder in the name of a cause are wrong. I thought that was why the terrorist scum are judged to be scum. If those fighting terrorism mirror its tactics and contempt for life, how are they any better? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 (edited) As I recall the report in question did not originate from the CIA, but came from the Democrats. I know the CIA has issues with much of that report, and I'm not sure if they have verified the existence of a prison in Thailand. Assuming you are referring to the 6000 page report from which the 500++ page summary has been released to the public, it was produced by an (American) Senate Commission. If you want to suggest that 'obviously' there are doubt due to the influence on it by members of the Democrats party, you are implicitly admitting that USA politics are even more disfunctional than Thai politics. Edited December 11, 2014 by rubl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 From the report some interesting insight (or lack of it) on how things came to be. "C.I.A. First Planned Jails Abiding by U.S. Standards By MATT APUZZO and JAMES RISEN DEC. 10, 2014" http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/11/us/politics/cia-first-planned-jails-abiding-by-us-standards-.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malt25 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Nobody seems to point out that with the level of corruption in Thailand it is feasable the CIA had a torture camp here without the Gov knowing. The CIA has a lot of money to pay for bribes and that is all it would have taken And you know this how, exactly? How can you possibly believe it feasible the US government had 'no knowledge'? If you have evidence or no to the contrary, you should shut your ignorant stupid yap. I'm guessing you were a homicidal Bush supporter? Maybe I'm a bit thick but I thought the poster was referring to the Thai Govt not knowing. Did I read it wrong ? Just wondering..... Cheers..... Mal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesetat2013 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Nobody seems to point out that with the level of corruption in Thailand it is feasable the CIA had a torture camp here without the Gov knowing. The CIA has a lot of money to pay for bribes and that is all it would have taken And you know this how, exactly? How can you possibly believe it feasible the US government had 'no knowledge'? If you have evidence or no to the contrary, you should shut your ignorant stupid yap. I'm guessing you were a homicidal Bush supporter? Maybe I'm a bit thick but I thought the poster was referring to the Thai Govt not knowing. Did I read it wrong ?Just wondering..... Cheers..... Mal. Hehee you didnt read it wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
off road pat Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Torture centre...where...???? ....try Chiang Mai...!!!! somebody I knopw lives near the airport and Saw regularly unnumbered airplanes land at night in total darkness.....all lights out on the plane and on the airfield...!!!...Thailand does not posses these capability's....and as for the type of planes...(can not give more details..)...Thailand does not posses these type to....!!! How could your friend see the aircraft were un-numbered if it was at night, in total darkness, no lights on the plane or airfield? Thailand does not have what capabilities? If you can not give details about the aircraft, how would you know Thailand doesn't have them? figure it out yourself, ...my friend lives very close to the airfield....and all lights at the airport were out but i guess the moonlight was strong enough... The Us has the capability, equipment (Night vision,) and training to land aircraft's at night all lights out... Thailand has not. and for the type of aircraft I don't want to elaborate.... best regards. I don't understand why you don't want to elaborate on the type of aircraft. OK,...it was a Military type airplane bigger than a C130 witch is the biggest military aircraft Thailand has Except for commercial airliners... All I know is what my friend told me, I was not there...and I pass on the information to help people figure out the rest....link the peace's of the puzzle... logic thinking, would tell you the torture centre (If there is one ??) has to be close to, or in a military airfield to avoid indiscretions (if possible !?!?) It would be taking more risks to transport the detainee much further....!!! but this is all speculation..... Best regards... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elektrified Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 i don't understand all the jokes as well as the debate. It's a military installation. Of course they would deny it. Every country in the world denies or refuses to comment on anything to do with the armed forces installations of the country. I remember being in Valparaiso Chile many years ago, looking over the hill at the sea and taking photos when a very serious soldier approached me and demanded my film. When asked why, he said "Naval Base below. No photos." I asked if that was where Augusto Pinochet was being held, and the guy had a look like - who???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laolover88 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 I believe the two locations being suggested are Sattahip and the Voice of America Relay station in Udon Thani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55Jay Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Torture centre...where...???? ....try Chiang Mai...!!!! somebody I knopw lives near the airport and Saw regularly unnumbered airplanes land at night in total darkness.....all lights out on the plane and on the airfield...!!!...Thailand does not posses these capability's....and as for the type of planes...(can not give more details..)...Thailand does not posses these type to....!!! How could your friend see the aircraft were un-numbered if it was at night, in total darkness, no lights on the plane or airfield? Thailand does not have what capabilities? If you can not give details about the aircraft, how would you know Thailand doesn't have them? figure it out yourself, ...my friend lives very close to the airfield....and all lights at the airport were out but i guess the moonlight was strong enough... The Us has the capability, equipment (Night vision,) and training to land aircraft's at night all lights out... Thailand has not. and for the type of aircraft I don't want to elaborate.... best regards. I don't understand why you don't want to elaborate on the type of aircraft. OK,...it was a Military type airplane bigger than a C130 witch is the biggest military aircraft Thailand has Except for commercial airliners... All I know is what my friend told me, I was not there...and I pass on the information to help people figure out the rest....link the peace's of the puzzle... logic thinking, would tell you the torture centre (If there is one ??) has to be close to, or in a military airfield to avoid indiscretions (if possible !?!?) It would be taking more risks to transport the detainee much further....!!! but this is all speculation..... Best regards... Possible? Of course it is. US Air Force visits Thailand. Seen them in Korat. Night ops training to Chiang Mai with RTAF is certainly possible. Probable in the context you've suggested based on your friend's accounts at night, sometime between 2002 and now? Probably not. Don't see the regular US military risking very expensive airplanes, lives of crew and pax, and potentially those on the ground, to perform combat entry/approaches on a routine basis at night, without aircraft and air field lights at a perfectly good airport in a non-combat zone in Thailand - to deliver a couple detainees for interrogation. Secondly, I've read the CIA contracted small executive jets,. e.g. Gulfstreams, from civilian sources, for their rendition flights. A couple mentions of them landing/transiting through Bangkok. Makes more sense than jinking USAF MAT C17s (since you said bigger than C130) in and out of CNX in the dark if you don't have to. So you see, your friend didn't see any secret airplanes at Chiang Mai and there is no secret interrogation facility in CM, or Thailand for that matter. Now you and your friend hold still while we take your photo. Look at the birdie, smile.....that's it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPI Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 total bull, I know for a fact , it is very close to the Myanmar border about 45min out of Kanchantaburi ... i will say no more It's not "Hellfire Pass" that's for sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malt25 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 total bull, I know for a fact , it is very close to the Myanmar border about 45min out of Kanchantaburi ... i will say no more [/quote Na na na..... I know a secret & you don't..... & I'm not telling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heionus heretic Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Sathorn Road on the left about 300 meters away from Banyan Tree you have a high wall with only cameras. This operation is run by both the Thai's and American's and this building has been operational since the Vietnam War. I wonder why it never got shut down. I have those details from the Singapore Embassy which is only a few hundred meters away. perhaps they know something about this http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/782044-swedish-found-hanged-in-deserted-building/?p=8768520 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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