kdc1899 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 I guess he snatched a gold chain off the neck of someone. He sold the gold. Got arrested. Escaped from the police car and eventually got corralled in the woods. So, apparently he is looking at 16 years in jail. 1 - Is that even possible? The choices (that are going to cost me money) are; pay 80,000 baht and somehow he does no jail time but only has to report to the judge on occasion. 2 - Is that even possible? I can also pay 10,000 baht to a bail bondsman to cover the 80,000 baht and then pay some government guy a couple thousand baht to "co-sign" for the brother. 3 - How can someone looking at 16 years get off with a 10K bond? 4 - The wife and I are overseas. I can't verify any of this info and I am worried about being scammed or that the rural relatives will get scammed by these "bail bondsmen". Any input will be appreciated. Thanks KDC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Anthony5 Posted December 13, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2014 Why would you even consider bailing out a criminal. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE1 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 If it is true , let him do his time , I am sure I wouldn't worry about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksam Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Why would you even consider bailing out a criminal. Brilliant start to op. Maybe, if its all true, the OP feels that 16 years is harsh to say the least. But hey Tony , you would perhaps give him 26yrs. Jude Judy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kdc1899 Posted December 13, 2014 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2014 It's really weird. It is not even bail. It's more like a fine that gets him out of jail. The bondsman guy just covers the fine. After a few face to face meetings he walks free and the bondsman gets his 80K back. He keeps the 10K I give him. So it's not a bond in lieu of appearance. It's actually an 80K get out of jail card (or it's all a scam). Why would I pay for the kid? It kinda goes with the whole deal. The trade off for landing a hot arse little Thai thang ( like nothing an old guy like me would ever get in these parts) is that I have to send some baht down to the lower deck on occasion. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Anthony5 Posted December 13, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2014 Why would you even consider bailing out a criminal. Brilliant start to op. Maybe, if its all true, the OP feels that 16 years is harsh to say the least. But hey Tony , you would perhaps give him 26yrs. Jude Judy Nobody goes to jail for 16 years for snatching a gold chain, it's only a way to impress the OP in pulling out the money fast, so that the brother can continue his gold snatching as quickly as possible. How do you feel when someone would snatch the gold of your neck? Sounds as if you want to throw your wallet at him as well. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bluetongue Posted December 13, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2014 Well anything is possible, but as you say in your position you have no way of verifying anything, so unless 80k is pocket change to you I wouldn't choose that. 10k sounds alright but it may be only the opening bid. Is there a history of the family getting money off you, that might be a hint. Is your wife going to give you a lot of grief if you don't stump up, because that's the friction point for you. All in all I'd be inclined to say Som nam na- serves him right. Of course I don't have your perspective on the whole situation, so it's easy for me to say. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksam Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Look , most likely its a scam by the family. Also yes 16 yes doesn't sound right. Who knows. My point is we all need to be shown compassion at times. The OP didn't give much details on the blokes background. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverSure Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 I would be very wary of a scam. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timewilltell Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 I guess he snatched a gold chain off the neck of someone. He sold the gold. Got arrested. Escaped from the police car and eventually got corralled in the woods. So, apparently he is looking at 16 years in jail. 1 - Is that even possible? The choices (that are going to cost me money) are; pay 80,000 baht and somehow he does no jail time but only has to report to the judge on occasion. 2 - Is that even possible? I can also pay 10,000 baht to a bail bondsman to cover the 80,000 baht and then pay some government guy a couple thousand baht to "co-sign" for the brother. 3 - How can someone looking at 16 years get off with a 10K bond? 4 - The wife and I are overseas. I can't verify any of this info and I am worried about being scammed or that the rural relatives will get scammed by these "bail bondsmen". Any input will be appreciated. Thanks KDC Apart from the fact you are quite likely the subject of a scam, here is my understanding of your post. If a charge is in the court it will be handled by the public prosecutor unless the victim of his crime is bringing a personal case. In the latter he can pay the victim to withdraw the case. In the former you might be able to 'negotiate' with the public prosecutor but that is bribery and if you are British there is a law that makes you a criminal for any act of bribery anywhere on the world. In any case bribery is a blight on society. Anyway...... The 80,000 is his bail. He can pay the 80,000 baht and be released from jail until his case is decided. He can also pay a lower sum to a bail bondsman but if he does a runner there will be trouble on its way to his family. The couple of thousand he has to pay is probably a proof of local residence surety if he lives outside the province in which he was arrested. He can ask for the case to be transferred to his local court. Anyway, I would not get involved if I were you as any foreigner will be made the brunt of any problem and he will probably do a runner anyway, save the headache. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdc1899 Posted December 13, 2014 Author Share Posted December 13, 2014 She works in a casino. She often makes more money than me. She will be paying for this one. Does the judicial process (of) buying your way out of jail sound possible for a loso? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mesquite Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 (edited) As the others have said, it's a family scam. Just another way to get money out of the farang. Edited December 13, 2014 by mesquite 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony5 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 She works in a casino. She often makes more money than me. She will be paying for this one. Does the judicial process (of) buying your way out of jail sound possible for a loso? She makes more money than you, but still you have to pay off the family? Looks like your relationship is one based on true love, and that you have caught up with the most sincere family in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrtoad Posted December 13, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2014 Do the the crime, do the time. Wouldn't waste a satang on the prik. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banzai99 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Her husband brother probably needs the money for a new Motorcycle. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippy Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 She works in a casino. She often makes more money than me. She will be paying for this one. Does the judicial process (of) buying your way out of jail sound possible for a loso? Who else is she ******* or trying to **** over ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveAustin Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 (edited) If I were in your shoes, I would let him get sent down, for sure. I mean, what a waste of space. But then you say your girl earns well, so leave it to them if indeed it isn't a scam... though going what you say -- 'I have to send some baht down to the lower deck on occasion -- would that then preclude you from keeping your honey? My in-laws are mostly decent folks, though the older brother is a bit of a tear-away. If it were him in the above scenario, I, and probably most of the family -- face aside -- would very likely be happy to see him get taken down. How's this; if you get pushed and feel you have to, pay half. Edited December 13, 2014 by daveAustin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David48 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Well anything is possible, but as you say in your position you have no way of verifying anything, so unless 80k is pocket change to you I wouldn't choose that. 10k sounds alright but it may be only the opening bid. Is there a history of the family getting money off you, that might be a hint. Is your wife going to give you a lot of grief if you don't stump up, because that's the friction point for you. All in all I'd be inclined to say Som nam na- serves him right. Of course I don't have your perspective on the whole situation, so it's easy for me to say. ^^ ... Well worth another read. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetongue Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Well if it's your wife's money you are reduced to bystander anyway so why ask us? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thongkorn Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 He is an adult he made a conscious dissision, his problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banzai99 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Well if it's your wife's money you are reduced to bystander anyway so why ask us? To start 100's of Thai man, Thai Family, Thai wife bashing posts ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdc1899 Posted December 13, 2014 Author Share Posted December 13, 2014 Apart from the fact you are quite likely the subject of a scam, here is my understanding of your post. If a charge is in the court it will be handled by the public prosecutor unless the victim of his crime is bringing a personal case. In the latter he can pay the victim to withdraw the case. In the former you might be able to 'negotiate' with the public prosecutor but that is bribery and if you are British there is a law that makes you a criminal for any act of bribery anywhere on the world. In any case bribery is a blight on society. Anyway...... The 80,000 is his bail. He can pay the 80,000 baht and be released from jail until his case is decided. He can also pay a lower sum to a bail bondsman but if he does a runner there will be trouble on its way to his family. The couple of thousand he has to pay is probably a proof of local residence surety if he lives outside the province in which he was arrested. He can ask for the case to be transferred to his local court. Anyway, I would not get involved if I were you as any foreigner will be made the brunt of any problem and he will probably do a runner anyway, save the headache. Thanks for the reply. I was looking at it like you are. My wife is getting info from her rural Aunt. Her rural 6th grade educated Aunt made the mistake of mentioning a Farang. I think the original sentence was 25 years. Now it's 16. Not sure how you sentence someone who just got arrested 3 days ago. The brother was my Muay Thai instructor before I met his sister in his gym. He was a solid citizen until his wife and kid died in a car accident. A couple of years of drink and drugs and he is what he is. We may have to hire a lawyer just to get some clarity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony5 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Well if it's your wife's money you are reduced to bystander anyway so why ask us? To start 100's of Thai man, Thai Family, Thai wife bashing posts ? You mean like this one for example ? Banzai99 Super Member Advanced Members 1,342 posts Posted 26 minutes ago Her husband brother probably needs the money for a new Motorcycle. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ATF Posted December 13, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2014 It's BS because there is no way he'd get 16 years and even if he did he'd get a King's Pardon after 9 years provided drugs weren't involved. A distant relation of mine only got 2 years for chaining up an ATM machine and ripping it out with his pick-up. I was in court a few weeks back and two Ya Baa dealers only got 2 years each but they had been on remand for a while. They had over 500 pills. So I call SCAM! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony5 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 A distant relation of mine only got 2 years for chaining up an ATM machine and ripping it out with his pick-up. What's his name, Alex or Sean? Didn't hear anything about the case sentenced already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David48 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 It's BS because there is no way he'd get 16 years and even if he did he'd get a King's Pardon after 9 years provided drugs weren't involved. A distant relation of mine only got 2 years for chaining up an ATM machine and ripping it out with his pick-up. I was in court a few weeks back and two Ya Baa dealers only got 2 years each but they had been on remand for a while. They had over 500 pills. So I call SCAM! ^^ Local Knowledge ... I'm hearing a lot of static on that line ... the call 'My wife is getting info from her rural Aunt. Her rural 6th grade educated Aunt' ... Hummm How about connecting with the Jail/Court to confirm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdc1899 Posted December 13, 2014 Author Share Posted December 13, 2014 It's BS because there is no way he'd get 16 years and even if he did he'd get a King's Pardon after 9 years provided drugs weren't involved. A distant relation of mine only got 2 years for chaining up an ATM machine and ripping it out with his pick-up. I was in court a few weeks back and two Ya Baa dealers only got 2 years each but they had been on remand for a while. They had over 500 pills. So I call SCAM! Can someone who just got arrested 3 days ago have a sentence already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony5 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 It's BS because there is no way he'd get 16 years and even if he did he'd get a King's Pardon after 9 years provided drugs weren't involved. A distant relation of mine only got 2 years for chaining up an ATM machine and ripping it out with his pick-up. I was in court a few weeks back and two Ya Baa dealers only got 2 years each but they had been on remand for a while. They had over 500 pills. So I call SCAM! Can someone who just got arrested 3 days ago have a sentence already? Short answer:No More detailed answer: No 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrtoad Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 It's BS because there is no way he'd get 16 years and even if he did he'd get a King's Pardon after 9 years provided drugs weren't involved. A distant relation of mine only got 2 years for chaining up an ATM machine and ripping it out with his pick-up. I was in court a few weeks back and two Ya Baa dealers only got 2 years each but they had been on remand for a while. They had over 500 pills. So I call SCAM! Can someone who just got arrested 3 days ago have a sentence already? Not likely. Its a shakedown 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdc1899 Posted December 13, 2014 Author Share Posted December 13, 2014 Wife's going to call on Monday but the locals already know that there is a Farang involved. I'll probably just get one of the lawyers I used before to get me the skinny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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