Baerboxer Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Voted to remove her ? Remove her from what exactly ! Exactly! How can you impeach someone who has already been kicked out by a coup? She wasn't kicked out be a coup. Posting lies and disinformation is against forum rules. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tezzainoz Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> 180 to 18 , well the NLA is not loaded one way then is it. Shame on them and their anti democratic masters It was a democratic vote - they weren't told how to vote unlike the red shirts So obviously you must be an avid supporter of Military Dictatorships. Democratic vote , was it really ? . I think you'll find that many of the poor in the North and the working classes voted with enthusiasm for Thaksin and then Yingluck, What we have is a seizure of power by the Judiciary , Military and now politically. You may want your kids to be brought up in a country where freedom of speech and expression are not tolerated , but I don't. ,Support the Junta all you like , but you should a long hard look at yourself for what you are actually supporting sorry I am confused why does any now want to live in a country they not agree with I may be born in Oz But I am till happy to call Thailand Home 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Baerboxer Posted January 23, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 23, 2015 any issues brought to her attention even by the World bank or IMF; and why that failure wasn't negligence? Because she was tried and found guilty by her long term opponents and Supporter of the Junta . Are you saying she had a fair trial ? She certainly didn't answer. A trial? We only had an impeachment procedure. The trial before the Supreme Court for political office holders is still to follow. The impeachment seems fair, she stated to be in charge in the November 2013 censure debate. Time to show responsibility and accountability. Hearing then , did she have a fair hearing ? She was given every opportunity to go and explain herself. Instead she chose to follow the usual habit of waffling and simply claiming she did nothing wrong. She could have had a fair hearing but that would involve answering questions that she is simply incapable of doing or might have given too much away. She and her advisers chose how to respond - but they couldn't try pastry boxes again. Thaksin supporters never accept any decision that goes against the Shins for anything. They are pure lily white beyond reproach and above any law. Any decision against them must be a conspiracy, biased and made by those who refuse to love them. She had the opportunity of a fair hearing and chose how to act. Hard to defend the indefensible though. She was totally negligent and couldn't give a fcku, Not one word of remorse or explanation. She deserves the full 10 years if convicted at the criminal trial. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucky11 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 180 to 18 , well the NLA is not loaded one way then is it. Shame on them and their anti democratic masters It implies to me that 10 times the number of members deemed that she deserves to be impeached than those that didn't. Shame on those 18 that were either chicken or got it wrong!! Goes to show that crime doesn't pay and putting the nation at risk of bankruptcy is foolhardy and irresponsible and she fully deserves her ban. Can't wait for March now!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPI Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 HOORAY!!! Excellent news but not enough by far. Criminal case and jail time Yes please! Now, for the rest of them!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Baerboxer Posted January 23, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 23, 2015 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> 180 to 18 , well the NLA is not loaded one way then is it. Shame on them and their anti democratic masters It was a democratic vote - they weren't told how to vote unlike the red shirts So obviously you must be an avid supporter of Military Dictatorships. Democratic vote , was it really ? . I think you'll find that many of the poor in the North and the working classes voted with enthusiasm for Thaksin and then Yingluck, What we have is a seizure of power by the Judiciary , Military and now politically. You may want your kids to be brought up in a country where freedom of speech and expression are not tolerated , but I don't. ,Support the Junta all you like , but you should a long hard look at yourself for what you are actually supporting sorry I am confused why does any now want to live in a country they not agree with I may be born in Oz But I am till happy to call Thailand Home Makes you wonder. How anyone can live here and still think the Shins are remotely interested in democracy or really helping the poor is hard to believe. But dopey foreign journalists also seem to swallow it. People believing what they want to believe. The Shins were not great fans of freedom of speech or anyone who dare oppose and question them either. But somehow it's easier for Westerners to put this into a left - right wing political context rather than the reality of a criminal family clan trying to rest power and all the benefits for themselves from the old established elite. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firestar Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Better than 304 to Nil. And another one who doesn't understand the difference between an individual party and a National Assembly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjaak327 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Not surprising that Thailand's rubber stamp parliament, installed by the NCPO voted yes on impeachment for Yingluck. It has nothing to do with accountability let alone justice. These people never learn, amazing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondKing Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 No legitimacy AT ALL just another witch hunt from an unelected Junta that stole power from the people at the point of a gun while it may appease the T hater on TV just remember what this guy is doing one step at a time to the country 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> Yes all of the democracy-hating and military coup junta-loving people here must be feeling very satisfied that.... "Thailand's junta-stacked parliament voted overwhelmingly.... Gee... imagine that! I'm amazed! The General's men voted according to their Boss's wishes.... unheard of! Democracy is over-rated anyway right? Next you'll be telling us how good it is to be under the domination of ISIS... So, does that mean you think Ms. Yingluck should not be held responsible and accountable for something she herself stated as being in charge in the last censure debate ? When you are managing something at the top , you are only as good as the information you are given. Or did you expect her to rifling through draws looking at receipts If you were managing something, even at the top, you would make sure to go to the meetings to receive the correct information, follow up actions, discuss issues etc wouldn't you? Especially if you were the self appointed chair of the meetings? Can you explain how not attending the meetings, even when countless warnings of serious problems were springing up, was not negligence? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisY1 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I'm sure her brother did very well out of the scheme........his wealth jumped some 30 billion over the past couple of years Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Thailand 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Baerboxer Posted January 23, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 23, 2015 No legitimacy AT ALL just another witch hunt from an unelected Junta that stole power from the people at the point of a gun while it may appease the T hater on TV just remember what this guy is doing one step at a time to the country What exact;y do you think Thaksin is doing for the country? Apart from raping it and trying to turn it into a Shin Corp subsidiary? The people never had power - the Shin clan and its gang did. And they certainly weren't interested in democracy, observing the law or serving the people. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firestar Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I'm sure her brother did very well out of the scheme........his wealth jumped some 30 billion over the past couple of years Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Thailand His total worth is estimated at $1.7 billion, mostly from the sale of AIS and nowhere near the richest Thai anymore. Hmmm.... any source for your estimate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Not surprising that Thailand's rubber stamp parliament, installed by the NCPO voted yes on impeachment for Yingluck. It has nothing to do with accountability let alone justice. These people never learn, amazing. Ignoring the political rhetoric can you explain why you believe she was not negligent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binjalin Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 whilst some of you are orgasmic about this result please keep in mind that it was by an unelected body appointed by a military junta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> 180 to 18 , well the NLA is not loaded one way then is it. Shame on them and their anti democratic mastersIt was a democratic vote - they weren't told how to vote unlike the red shirts So obviously you must be an avid supporter of Military Dictatorships.Democratic vote , was it really ? . I think you'll find that many of the poor in the North and the working classes voted with enthusiasm for Thaksin and then Yingluck, What we have is a seizure of power by the Judiciary , Military and now politically. You may want your kids to be brought up in a country where freedom of speech and expression are not tolerated , but I don't. ,Support the Junta all you like , but you should a long hard look at yourself for what you are actually supporting I'll leave the "democracy" aspect to one side and simply say that those that voted for and supported Thaksin and Yingluck ALSO need to take a long hard look at themselves and what they were supporting. And "leaving democracy aside" is what many on this forum are doing, as they enthusiastically egg on the Junta. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robby nz Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Ignored by most here, but let me rejoice in k. Somsak and k. Nikhom having managed to provide sufficient clarifications and are free of any blame. Wonder how Somsak could survive after the 4 am voting fiasco? ( On 31st October, after having convened for an uninterrupted 19 hours, the House of Representatives voted on its second and third reading and passed the Amnesty Bill with 310 to 0 and 4 abstention at 4 am of the nest day. The House extraordinary meeting was urgently called earlier on 29th October by the House Speaker Somsak Kiatsuranont and regardless to the opposition Democrat pled for more reading time due to the bill was changed from its first reading by the extraordinary committee, the vote was done the Amnesty Bill was forwarded to the Senate for final approval. The Amnesty bill was widely opposed by the civil society on its unclear meaning and multifaceted procedural. The first draft, submitted by Phue Thai Samutprakan MP Worachai Heme, was to grant amnesty to non-leader participants in the numerous rallies and political protest since the military coup in 2006 that ousted Thaksin. This draft was read and approved in principle by the House on 8the August 2013. The House appointed an extraordinary committee to examine the bill and its majority voted, on 28th October 2013, to use another draft proposed by the committee’s vice chairperson Prayut Siripanich. Prayut’s draft was called “a blanket amnesty bill” due to the amnesty was extended to: Pardon all leaders and every participant in the violence. All corruption cased brought up in the aftermath of the 2006 coup. Extension of time span to between 2004 and August 2013.) Spot on and it was the 3 add-ons that caused all the trouble. As it says the first draft was approved in principal at the first reading, that means that the opposition were happy to go along with it. Which proves the lie that they were against the senate being fully elected. They were against the leaders being included, including Abhisit and Suthep, They were against corruption being forgiven, including any that could be pinned on them. They were against increasing the time span which if it had been included would have been an advantage to them as it would have covered their time in office. The second vote on the 2nd and 3rd reading which included the amendments was taken without the opposition being in the house as they had been told the session had closed and they should all go home. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Better than 304 to Nil. And another one who doesn't understand the difference between an individual party and a National Assembly. An individual party of MP's all paid a salary by a convicted criminal fugitive on top of their MP's salary and all voting has he wished and instructed. As against an appointed assembly being allowed to vote based on evidence presented. Seems clear enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 whilst some of you are orgasmic about this result please keep in mind that it was by an unelected body appointed by a military junta Doesn't excuse her negligence though, however much you might like it to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 180 to 18 , well the NLA is not loaded one way then is it. Shame on them and their anti democratic masters Is that anything like a 310 to 0 vote by the PTP on the bill to give Thaksin, Abhisit, Suthep and 25,000 + people accused of corruption (and themselves also) a pardon? Shame on the PTP and its anti democratic master. PTP is an individual party not a National Assembly can't you see the difference?? Yes I can. At the time the PTP government was ruling the country and attempting to do just about anything it wanted. The NLA isn't. Sorry, the NLA isn't ruling the country and doing anything it wants? Rubl is constantly telling us it represents the house and senate - so ruling the country, and todays performance seems to indicate that it is doing exactly what it wants! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernjohn Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Good. Now she is being punished not the amount she deserves but enough to keep peace in the nation and send a message to future politicians that they will never be free from prosecution if they are involved in corruption. Thailand is free of the Shinawatra corrupt clan at last. Look for more charges against other PTP members. Justice and we still get the TV negative type room to complain. They still have a purpose in life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjaak327 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Not surprising that Thailand's rubber stamp parliament, installed by the NCPO voted yes on impeachment for Yingluck. It has nothing to do with accountability let alone justice. These people never learn, amazing. Ignoring the political rhetoric can you explain why you believe she was not negligent? No let's not ignore it, as it clearly shows how illegitimate this whole charade really is. As to negligent, the rice scheme might not have been the best idea, one cannot forget that she was entitled to introduce it due to her government holding 300 out of 500 seats in parliament. Likewise her decision to continue it, despite alleged corruption isn't negligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robby nz Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 What a bitter and twisted lot these PT supports are they cant accept that their darling ex PM has been found guilty of negligence on the evidence presented and are making every excuse they can think of why she should not have been. Well I can except the 3 verdicts although I may not agree fully with them, but then I didn't hear all the evidence presented as did the NLA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dap Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Voted to remove her ? Remove her from what exactly ! I'm not sure but I think the point of this action was to remove her from politics for the next 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post firestar Posted January 23, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 23, 2015 Better than 304 to Nil. And another one who doesn't understand the difference between an individual party and a National Assembly. An individual party of MP's all paid a salary by a convicted criminal fugitive on top of their MP's salary and all voting has he wished and instructed. As against an appointed assembly being allowed to vote based on evidence presented. Seems clear enough. You managed to squeeze all that yellow shirt rhetoric in two sentences. congrats. A National Assembly is suppose to represent all citizens whereas an individual party it's voters, a party can vote as one but has forces of opposition, other parties, the senate etc. A National Assembly that votes as one has a name but you're not going to like it..... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English 1 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 180 to 18 , well the NLA is not loaded one way then is it. Shame on them and their anti democratic masters Your Photo looks are gormless as your comment sounds.......Get Well Soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Ignored by most here, but let me rejoice in k. Somsak and k. Nikhom having managed to provide sufficient clarifications and are free of any blame. Yes, well even the junta would understand that Thailand would become the laughing stock of the world had these military appointed officials found them guilty...of trying to make the senate more representative. Your bias influences your objectivity. The NLA in majority decided that there was no valid ground to impeach the two gentlemen. Their name is now cleared. That has nothing to do with the junta, Thaksin or the temperature outside. And your belief in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy remains unshaken. Not Santa Claus, he wears a red tunic. Easter Bunny however, if memory serves, features yellow, so thats all right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgordo38 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 180 to 18 , well the NLA is not loaded one way then is it. Shame on them and their anti democratic masters This was all cut and dried neatly packaged and rubber stamped. The 18 that voted against will no doubt be shunned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siampolee Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) Rather amusing to see the rants concerning undemocratic actions no elections etc. Did any of those posters muttering about such matters actually look at the Thaksin P.T.P. plan or even begin to understand what the ultimate aim was and still is truth be known along with how a clone was slipped into position along with the paid for Thaksin lapdogs. Yingluck took the position and possibly was assured all would be plain sailing by her scheming brother who was in fact selling her down the river. Thus of course they though that they had the popular mandate to turn the country into their very own private purse and fiefdom, the Red Shirt pawns had served their purpose and were cast aside with nary a thought. However Mr.and Mrs Somchai are not as stupid as they look, possibly a bit slow on the uptake, but when the truth hit home the demonstrations began and the Thaksin house of parliamentary cards collapsed. Yingluck played the game of political poker at the behest of the card harp her brother , he was out of the way and untouchable she was in the casino and couldn't get out, brother got the pot of winning chips,Yingluck has to pay the bill. With a brother like she has got who need enemies? Edited January 23, 2015 by siampolee 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Most intenational media reported this as political persecution. Only happen after a coup with a kangaroo court. They even gagged her from having a news briefing. Surely now the junta have the balls to call for an early election or do they have any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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