Shaunduhpostman Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Well, maybe Cambodia should look at it this way, that it's the thought that counts, bless their hearts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Prbkk Posted January 24, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 24, 2015 ....IT IS GETTING MORE EMBARRASSING EVERY DAY, TO TELL PEOPLE I LIVE IN THAILAND,WHEN ONCE I WAS PROUD... Some truth in that but where else in the world could guarantee these Monty Python/Black Adder/Goon Show laughs, EVERY SINGLE DAY, without fail, no matter what the colour of the govt? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggt Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 expert relic hunters helped choose the five particular objects... The Cambodians are sure that these relics should have been filled with gold and jewels... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker69 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 The artefacts were formed from sandstone, wood or metal depending on the place and period of time.About 100 items have been inspected and found to be imitations. There are still more than 10,000 items pending identification and authentication.The Fine Arts Department estimates that the 50 items proved so far to be originals are valued at about Bt50 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happynthailand Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 my thoughts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acharn Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Probably the are made in China ... I think if they were made in China they would have been better quality. The Chinese have thousands of years of experience forging antiquities, going back to at least 3,000-4,000 B.C. The story says the Cambodians complained that they weren't even very good fakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaZa9 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 The Green Emerald Buddha was taken from Laos. Until this day Thailand has not made it known to the public. Hey you are right. Learn something every day.. Do you think Thailand will return it ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_Buddha "In 1779, the Thai General Chao Phraya Chakri put down an insurrection, captured Vientiane and looted the Emerald Buddha to Siam, taking it with him to Thonburi. " Why has that not been sensored from the history books. Are you allowed to post that? Am I allowed to repost it? ?? This is not correct Guides at Wat Phra Kaew openly discuss how the Emerald Buddha was a spoil of war from Laos , and probably Cambodia before that - nobody has tried to cover that fact up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigt116 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 The Green Emerald Buddha was taken from Laos. Until this day Thailand has not made it known to the public. Are you for real ! ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_Buddha How much more public would you like it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulic Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 I just wonder how much the police commander paid for his fakes? They look good to me and I am sure can be used in hotels and restaurants as art decoration. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezzra Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Could it at all be possible that someone switch the real statues for these fake ones. Could it be the Cambodians got the real thing and said they're fake just to zing Thailand? and beside, who rally know what's fake what's not now days? as even the experts are fake, everything thing in these countries are fake,,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingdoc Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 They even look new in the photo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dean008 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 A Thai wouldnt do that Could it at all be possible that someone switch the real statues for these fake ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
car720 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 The Green Emerald Buddha was taken from Laos. Until this day Thailand has not made it known to the public. Hey you are right. Learn something every day.. Do you think Thailand will return it ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_Buddha "In 1779, the Thai General Chao Phraya Chakri put down an insurrection, captured Vientiane and looted the Emerald Buddha to Siam, taking it with him to Thonburi. " but borrowed from India. Also, I believed that the King of Siam was also the king of Laos and Cambodia before the French came along? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiSoLowSoNoSo Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 The Khmers should be happy, Thailand gave them new made relics, they will last much longer than the original old ones and after a couple of hundred years it will all be forgotten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
car720 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 The Green Emerald Buddha was taken from Laos. Until this day Thailand has not made it known to the public. Hey you are right. Learn something every day.. Do you think Thailand will return it ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_Buddha "In 1779, the Thai General Chao Phraya Chakri put down an insurrection, captured Vientiane and looted the Emerald Buddha to Siam, taking it with him to Thonburi. " If your going to cut and paste at least cut and paste the other relevant part "The Emerald Buddha remained in Chiang Mai until 1552, when it was taken to Luang Prabang, then the capital of the Lao kingdom of Lan Xang." There is a decent amount of history there and before it ever went to Lao it was first in Chiang Mai. So who's is it really? I don't see England giving up any of their Egyptian treasures or Indian or any treasures that were looted from the colonized countries. So why should anyone else have too? Looks like it really started off in Cambodia. "When the Thais captured Angkor Wat in 1432 (following the ravage of the bubonic plague), the Emerald Buddha was taken to Ayutthaya,Kamphaeng Phet, Laos and finally Chiang Rai, where the ruler of the city hid it." It does appear that the statue went voluntarily to Vientiane, but went back to Thailand involuntarily.... :-) Hopefully the Cambodians will not ask for it back. And yes, without doing research , then cut and paste, my understanding was that England did in fact return some of the antiquities they had looted from Egypt under international pressure. Regarding the OP, am still fascinated as to why they were fakes. So either Pongpat was an idiot, or a switch was done at some point. Thailand of course knew that, or they would not have done their out of the blue offer to return them if they were worth millions of dollars. But of course everybody already knows that... Don't know why people have a problem understanding Thais. It is the age old pirate philosophy. "Take it all, give nothing back". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johpa Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 The Green Emerald Buddha was taken from Laos. Until this day Thailand has not made it known to the public. Try to understand that back in the day the various principalities such as Chiang Mai, Chiang Saen, Chiang Rai, Wiang Chan (Vientiane) were all competing against one another for hearts and minds. The control or possession of magical artifacts such as the Emerald Buddha enhanced the prestige of the local rulers, thus extending their influence during an era where physical borders were not yet conceived. The best book on the larger subject is Achaan Thongchai's book "Siam Mapped". But yes, the Emerald Buddha was passed around (captured) by several local rulers until it passed to Bangkok early in the then new Rattanakosin era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duanebigsby Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 The Green Emerald Buddha was taken from Laos. Until this day Thailand has not made it known to the public. Hey you are right. Learn something every day.. Do you think Thailand will return it ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_Buddha "In 1779, the Thai General Chao Phraya Chakri put down an insurrection, captured Vientiane and looted the Emerald Buddha to Siam, taking it with him to Thonburi. " The article you linked to says that it was previously in Chiang Mai before being removed to Laos: However, it's rightful owners may be the Burmese. Supposedly, it was a gift from Sri Lanka to Burma, but the ship it was on was wrecked in Cambodia (not sure, geographically, how that happens!!), then the Thais swiped it from the Cambodians. Then it ends up in Laos before being seized (again) by the Thais. The Lao claim may not be the strongest... Read the Wikipedia again. "Legend" has it being made in India in the 1st century and then shipwrecked in Cambodia and stolen by the Thais. Historians think it more likely made in the 15th century in the Lanna Kingdom, probably in chiang saen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rorri Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 bluebluewater, on 24 Jan 2015 - 16:50, said:Hmmm . . . . This gives me pause to think that the Thai lady last night was faking it? If it was good at the time then why worry. Faking it or not, to us males it's all good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seastallion Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Could it at all be possible that someone switch the real statues for these fake ones. No " Thailand, which has recognized that many of the objects recovered were indeed fake, has said it would return 16 of genuine artifacts with another 20 under consideration. " From the wording it appears that the Thai people in charge knew they were fake but were trying it on. They used their own experts to choose the best fakes in the hope they wouldn't be detected. My guess is that it was the CIB guy that got ripped off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utkb Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 A few years back I was leaving Thailand with one of the fake tourist statues when a custom guard started to declare that I was leaving with an antique. I don't know if he really thought it might be an artifact or had another motive, but I suspect my loud laughter at the comment threw him off-guard and he let me through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Thea01 Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Wow, fake relics, the next headline we will read. " Police are conned by Fake CIB Chief, the real one is holidaying in Dubai. But not to worry we still have the houses, cars and gold. But wait, there's more. Oh, No, all fake too and the money, counterfeit. Mai Pen Rai." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maidee Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 so there is a collection and deceided to return the ugly / fake ones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bongoz Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 It's OK as the Indians really are the traditional owners... Mystic claims Angkorian temples built in India In the satsangs, or assemblies, he calls on his followers to “please understand” that the Cambodian temples are far older than the 900 or 1,000 years asserted by “cunning” Western historians, and that many of the temples were not built in the Kingdom at all. Phnom Penh Post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullstop Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 the Thais swiped it from the Cambodians. They swiped their entire kingdom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H1w4yR1da Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Did they 'accidentally' return the infamous fake Blue Diamond along with those relics, too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docno Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Hey you are right. Learn something every day.. Do you think Thailand will return it ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_Buddha "In 1779, the Thai General Chao Phraya Chakri put down an insurrection, captured Vientiane and looted the Emerald Buddha to Siam, taking it with him to Thonburi. " The article you linked to says that it was previously in Chiang Mai before being removed to Laos: However, it's rightful owners may be the Burmese. Supposedly, it was a gift from Sri Lanka to Burma, but the ship it was on was wrecked in Cambodia (not sure, geographically, how that happens!!), then the Thais swiped it from the Cambodians. Then it ends up in Laos before being seized (again) by the Thais. The Lao claim may not be the strongest... Read the Wikipedia again. "Legend" has it being made in India in the 1st century and then shipwrecked in Cambodia and stolen by the Thais. Historians think it more likely made in the 15th century in the Lanna Kingdom, probably in chiang saen. I see this: "Cambodian historians recorded the capture of the Buddha statue in their famous Preah Ko/ Preah Keo legend. However, some art historians describe the Emerald Buddha as belonging to the Chiang Saen Style of the 15th century AD, which would mean it is actually of Lannathai origin." So yours is an over-statement. The wiki also does not provide citations for it's claim re some historians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emster23 Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 "In the land of the blind, the one eyed man..... get's his eye poked out". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godden Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Same as every thing in Thailand tte women included Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Deerhunter Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 How sick. How sad. How disappointing. How predictable. Hub of ????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcusd Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Blue diamonds? Saudi Arabia? Umm comes to,mind??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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