chainarong Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 You need to take Thailand's interest in China seriously, in the context that Thailand has unstable leadership and population, China has a record of trying to destabilize governments(Africa) , this in fact is a dream made in heaven for China , Prayth - O has no idea of the danger he places Thailand in by getting close to China and you have to consider seriously who lives in China that comes from Thailand , this all is to convenient and one hopes this scenario has been noticed by foreign affairs departments in most western Countries 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweatalot Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 The US would feel better about dealing with an elected government and not a military regime that favoured China more, Thanet said. May be they are already working at an "elected" government of their choice Big chance for criminal t? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupatria Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 China? Well court away. When they take over the Thai economy and all the fishing rights, what is Thailand gonna do about it? This is all smoke and mirrors. The US are not falling for Thailand's bluff and the Thai elite are throwing their toys out of the pram. This all stems from having their noses put out of joint after the US had a moan about the military government (which it is...no matter what they try and dress it up as). Face is lost and it's a case of ''Well, this is my new bestest friend now if you don't say sorry!'' This is not the view of the real elite, and I have a feeling that there may well be a few wrists slapped over this pathetic rhetoric. -wrists slapped- Is this the actual 'New Speak' term for inactive posts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggt Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Actually the US has already been sleeping with Thailand... It is time for Thailand to become more proactive in networking with the countries in its immediate vicinity...for it's own good... What better place to start than China...the mother country of the Thais... The US is not a jealous suitor... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pib Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Thailand will snuggle-up to any country that gives it money, military aid, etc. And it dates numerous countries at the same time and plays each against the other (just as many other countries do). But just remember, lovers can easily turn into ex-lovers who can be a downright pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverSure Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 (edited) If Thailand prefers China to the US, and by default Japan, the US will stop providing Thailand with military assistance and both the US and Japan could pull manufacturing out of Thailand. The US and Japan have huge industrial investments in Thailand and create a lot for the Thai economy including exports and jobs. Japan is afraid of China after having China threaten to take some of its islands and block shipping and airline routes. The US sailed some carrier groups through the area and made China back down. The US also made China back down from claiming all fishing rights in the S. China Sea - a place where several SE Asian countries including Thailand rely on for fishing. If Thailand is stupid enough to play China against the US and by default Japan, it could lose US and Japanese manufacturing causing its economy to crash. The US and Japan have already invested in large tracts of land in Burma at Yangon, as a backstop to Thailand. The US signed a deal with the Phils to move military forces back into Subic Bay and Clark Air Force Base which will be a large boost to the Phil's economy. Who is being left out and "Who is Sleeping?" Thailand is usually too big for its britches and this writer should figure out that neither the US nor Japan needs Thailand at all. US aid to thailand is $3.5 million per year. US and Japan does not have investments, private companies do;) The US and Japan can put embargos on Thailand making it illegal for private companies to do business. The US sells and gives modern weapons to Thailand including F16's and the munitions to hang on them. There are so many ways the US, Japan and even Europe could abandon Thailand that I think you should rethink your comments. It should be obvious to all that if the junta trashes the West and buddies up to China that it will lose in so many ways. That's not to mention the crocodile that China is and how the loss of the US would let China damage Thailand. Yes i am sure Japan would put embargo on its bread and butter companies and remind me again who are those big American investors in Thailand? You don't think so. Look at the European companies complaining about the Russian embargo. You have haven't figured out that those items can be shipped from elsewhere. American investors in Thailand? Take a look and glance at the left side of the page too. Page one lists only the ones that start with the letter "A". This is the American Chamber of Commerce in Thailand. Thailand would be sunk without the US because it doesn't have these abilities itself. LINK Edited January 30, 2015 by NeverSure 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BestBitterPhuket Posted January 30, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 30, 2015 (edited) The Chinese will invest in Thailand, well, they will "invest" in roads, bridges, railroads and other infrastructure projects, which by the way, the Thais will have to pay for. Further they will invest in the exploration of Thai natural resources, which they will soon control. Japan is by far Thailand's most important ally and economic friend, not USA, and the Japanese have a much more difficult relationship with China than the Americans have. Without Japanese manufacturing, the economy will crumble. Jobs and tax revenue lost, all the Japanese cars and the electrical appliances we use here may have to be imported, paid for in what then will be a totally devalued baht. However, I don't believe the junta is that crazy. This policy will change otherwise Thailand will be destroyed. There are already warning signs such as internal unrest and political problems, lackluster economic growth, lack of quality foreign investment, problems in key economic sectors, such as tourism and agriculture and no credible plan to solve the domestic problems, such as a failed education system, massive corruption, relative lawlessness, lack of competition in the local markets etc. There are plenty of solutions and remedies, but no Thai government, civilian or military, has ever had the courage or willpower to deal with problems. The current government is talking a lot, but not putting in place any credible long term solutions. Corruption is the number one issue, but yet not much has happened in the fight against it, except for the arrest of a few police officers. The mass media and social media is flooding with obvious cases of corruption and abuse of power, of which none are investigated, and the culprits free to enjoy the proceeds of their criminal activity. There is no serious attempt in educating the Thai public in the damage corruption do to Thailand and the Thais, neither has there been any attempts to vilify and shame the corrupt. Another issue is the massive economic costs and human suffering when it comes to people injured or killed in traffic. The tsunami killed 10,000 people ten years ago, but since the tsunami happened, an estimated 250,000 to 300,000 people have died in traffic accidents in Thailand. NOTHING has ever been done to seriously deal with this huge problem. NOTHING. It puts all thai governments in perspective. Edited January 30, 2015 by BestBitterPhuket 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 If Thailand prefers China to the US, and by default Japan, the US will stop providing Thailand with military assistance and both the US and Japan could pull manufacturing out of Thailand. The US and Japan have huge industrial investments in Thailand and create a lot for the Thai economy including exports and jobs. Japan is afraid of China after having China threaten to take some of its islands and block shipping and airline routes. The US sailed some carrier groups through the area and made China back down. The US also made China back down from claiming all fishing rights in the S. China Sea - a place where several SE Asian countries including Thailand rely on for fishing. If Thailand is stupid enough to play China against the US and by default Japan, it could lose US and Japanese manufacturing causing its economy to crash. The US and Japan have already invested in large tracts of land in Burma at Yangon, as a backstop to Thailand. The US signed a deal with the Phils to move military forces back into Subic Bay and Clark Air Force Base which will be a large boost to the Phil's economy. Who is being left out and "Who is Sleeping?" Thailand is usually too big for its britches and this writer should figure out that neither the US nor Japan needs Thailand at all. How would Japan and USA pull manufacturing out of Thailand? In my understanding these aren't state owned companies. And why they don't pull manufacturing out of China if it is that easy? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kblaze Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 In regards to tourism; Chinese pay Chinese companies for tours in Thailand, eat at restaurants half owned by Chinese, hotels half owned by Chinese and spend money in a very...thrifty way. Don't be fooled by arrivals figures, the Chinese do not contribute to the Thai economy like most other tourist groups. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stickyrice2000 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I would love to see Thailand be in China's arms so they can taste the medicines for themselves. When they have conflicts, Thailand will not have any saying at all. Just look at how China treats their neighboring countries. They refuse to mediate with no one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FangFerang Posted January 30, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 30, 2015 If Thailand prefers China to the US, and by default Japan, the US will stop providing Thailand with military assistance and both the US and Japan could pull manufacturing out of Thailand. The US and Japan have huge industrial investments in Thailand and create a lot for the Thai economy including exports and jobs. Japan is afraid of China after having China threaten to take some of its islands and block shipping and airline routes. The US sailed some carrier groups through the area and made China back down. The US also made China back down from claiming all fishing rights in the S. China Sea - a place where several SE Asian countries including Thailand rely on for fishing. If Thailand is stupid enough to play China against the US and by default Japan, it could lose US and Japanese manufacturing causing its economy to crash. The US and Japan have already invested in large tracts of land in Burma at Yangon, as a backstop to Thailand. The US signed a deal with the Phils to move military forces back into Subic Bay and Clark Air Force Base which will be a large boost to the Phil's economy. Who is being left out and "Who is Sleeping?" Thailand is usually too big for its britches and this writer should figure out that neither the US nor Japan needs Thailand at all. US aid to thailand is $3.5 million per year. US and Japan does not have investments, private companies do;) Sorry to inform you that you are making the wrong arguments. That 3.5 million, actually closer to 6 million, is not cash. It is high grade, American military technology, armaments, and equipment that is further discounted to be provided for free. There is no exchange of currency whatsoever. Cobra Gold is not war games, it is training and maintenance more than anything. Further, those Japanese and American companies are here with the blessing, tax discounts, import discounts and other 'blessings' from the governments of those manufacturer's origins governments. If the Japanese or US government wants them to pack up, they simply offer better incentives elsewhere. Since a corporation has its primary loyalty to shareholders (profit), they will jump at such a simple way to make their stocks more valuable (and increase board members salaries, golden parachutes and compensation -- which includes stock). The US and Japan are keeping their options open. Thailand is one option. Myanmar is another, as well as Malaysia (whose auto industry is bigger and more highly developed). Recently, Vietnam and Indonesia are warming up -- and the Philippines has the highest level of English proficiency in Asia. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Off topic posts have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homeropec Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I love how this discussion is always framed from "USA needs Thailand" with zero consideration for vice versa. What exactly does the USA need Thailand for? Thailand has everything to lose and little to gain from China. Do these numpties imagine the Chinese will move their manufacturing to thailand in volume to replace japanese or USA investment. Thailand will lose massively if it goes all out to befriend China and move to disavow its friendship with the USA. This junta needs to wind its neck in fast or the USA might just take these threats seriously and just realign itself with someone else in the region to replace thailand. Then listen to the wailing from the amaart and junta supporters that they no longer get courted by the USA and have to kowtow in Beijing. The mainland Chinese won't be nearly as nice or financiallt beneficial as doing business with the USA. "What exactly does the USA need Thailand for?" Absolutely nothing at all. Well well.. thailad is much more than the politics eh. what they need? well their Thai food... very aroi and nutritive than junk food, their beaches for vacations.... their alwayS warm weather.... but not at all in business, science and technology Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John1thru10 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I've assumed for some time now that the coup and martial law was mostly in preparation for China: it's like repainting the house before selling it. 'And we've already ended all freedom of speech and things, so that won't be a problem'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini81 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I'm reading about the same amount of American arrogance as Thai arrogance in this thread. It's not arrogance if you can back it up. Smile for the drone. Thats so wrong its hilarious! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anon467367354 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 If Thailand prefers China to the US, and by default Japan, the US will stop providing Thailand with military assistance and both the US and Japan could pull manufacturing out of Thailand. The US and Japan have huge industrial investments in Thailand and create a lot for the Thai economy including exports and jobs. Japan is afraid of China after having China threaten to take some of its islands and block shipping and airline routes. The US sailed some carrier groups through the area and made China back down. The US also made China back down from claiming all fishing rights in the S. China Sea - a place where several SE Asian countries including Thailand rely on for fishing. If Thailand is stupid enough to play China against the US and by default Japan, it could lose US and Japanese manufacturing causing its economy to crash. The US and Japan have already invested in large tracts of land in Burma at Yangon, as a backstop to Thailand. The US signed a deal with the Phils to move military forces back into Subic Bay and Clark Air Force Base which will be a large boost to the Phil's economy. Who is being left out and "Who is Sleeping?" Thailand is usually too big for its britches and this writer should figure out that neither the US nor Japan needs Thailand at all. Thank you for your post. Everyone seems to think it's the US or Japanese governments are the ones investing in Thailand when in fact companies do. If Thailand is good for their profits, they'll stay. The US does a huge business with China and Vietnam, both communist countries. What the US wants is more military power as they always have. Walmart if not run by the US gov't, and if they want to continue to be the largest purchaser of Thai shrimp and it's profitable, they will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkidlad Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 If Thailand prefers China to the US, and by default Japan, the US will stop providing Thailand with military assistance and both the US and Japan could pull manufacturing out of Thailand. The US and Japan have huge industrial investments in Thailand and create a lot for the Thai economy including exports and jobs. Japan is afraid of China after having China threaten to take some of its islands and block shipping and airline routes. The US sailed some carrier groups through the area and made China back down. The US also made China back down from claiming all fishing rights in the S. China Sea - a place where several SE Asian countries including Thailand rely on for fishing. If Thailand is stupid enough to play China against the US and by default Japan, it could lose US and Japanese manufacturing causing its economy to crash. The US and Japan have already invested in large tracts of land in Burma at Yangon, as a backstop to Thailand. The US signed a deal with the Phils to move military forces back into Subic Bay and Clark Air Force Base which will be a large boost to the Phil's economy. Who is being left out and "Who is Sleeping?" Thailand is usually too big for its britches and this writer should figure out that neither the US nor Japan needs Thailand at all. Thank you for your post. Everyone seems to think it's the US or Japanese governments are the ones investing in Thailand when in fact companies do. If Thailand is good for their profits, they'll stay. The US does a huge business with China and Vietnam, both communist countries. What the US wants is more military power as they always have. Walmart if not run by the US gov't, and if they want to continue to be the largest purchaser of Thai shrimp and it's profitable, they will. Unless sanctions are put in my place. That's done by governments. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveinAsia Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I'm reading about the same amount of American arrogance as Thai arrogance in this thread. It's not arrogance if you can back it up. Smile for the drone. Lol, sounds like a threat! Whatever you do don't criticize US world dominance policy or else they will be coming for you with their unmanned flying killing machines or send in a few retired Jarheads to sort you out, plenty of them here these days. To be honest I and many others here and abroad would be happy to see some countries standing up to the bully, just not sure if the general is the person to do this, but good on him. China almost owns the US so it doesn't really make a difference who they decide to be closer to. China might just stop lending $$ to the bankrupt American economy sometime soon, but hey, then the Fed Reserve can print another $ trillion of illusionary money, like they've been doing for the last 5-10 years anyway. My advice to all Americans here; be friendly to the Thai people because they are probably one of the last peoples on this earth that kind of still look up to you guys. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rijb Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I'm reading about the same amount of American arrogance as Thai arrogance in this thread. It's not arrogance if you can back it up. Smile for the drone. Thats so wrong its hilarious! Some people are too slow to get the joke. Keep trying. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2fishin2 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 In regards to tourism; Chinese pay Chinese companies for tours in Thailand, eat at restaurants half owned by Chinese, hotels half owned by Chinese and spend money in a very...thrifty way. Don't be fooled by arrivals figures, the Chinese do not contribute to the Thai economy like most other tourist groups. And actually the same goes for Koreans and Russians. Its funny how very few people see it like this which, is absolutely true. Goes right back into the originating countries crooked pockets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickymaster Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 But Saudi Arabia is a close friend of the US. Oil is probably more important than democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Actually the US has already been sleeping with Thailand... It is time for Thailand to become more proactive in networking with the countries in its immediate vicinity...for it's own good... What better place to start than China...the mother country of the Thais... The US is not a jealous suitor... Why not Vietnam, or Laos, or Cambodia, or Malaysia, or Singapore? Ohhh, I forgot, they won't play the game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneday Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 If Thailand prefers China to the US, and by default Japan, the US will stop providing Thailand with military assistance and both the US and Japan could pull manufacturing out of Thailand. The US and Japan have huge industrial investments in Thailand and create a lot for the Thai economy including exports and jobs. Japan is afraid of China after having China threaten to take some of its islands and block shipping and airline routes. The US sailed some carrier groups through the area and made China back down. The US also made China back down from claiming all fishing rights in the S. China Sea - a place where several SE Asian countries including Thailand rely on for fishing. If Thailand is stupid enough to play China against the US and by default Japan, it could lose US and Japanese manufacturing causing its economy to crash. The US and Japan have already invested in large tracts of land in Burma at Yangon, as a backstop to Thailand. The US signed a deal with the Phils to move military forces back into Subic Bay and Clark Air Force Base which will be a large boost to the Phil's economy. Who is being left out and "Who is Sleeping?" Thailand is usually too big for its britches and this writer should figure out that neither the US nor Japan needs Thailand at all. You couldn't have expressed my thoughts better...thanks. I'll just add that if Thailand keeps going this way they will wake up one day and find out they have become China's newest province. If not literally then certainly figuratively. With the US Thailand knows what they have. We meddle, but we won't come in and take them over. The US will never be a military threat to Thailand, but I couldn't say the same for China and their expansionist ambitions. Look out for what you wish for Thailand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wat dee Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 It seems that USA rather plays with military juntas they put in charge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quandow Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 (edited) Anyone who thinks the Chinese will deal with Thailand having the Thai's best interest foremost have been smoking crack or plotting too much on returning Martial law. Pfaa . . . They'll get what they deserve. Edited January 30, 2015 by quandow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post EyesWideOpen Posted January 30, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 30, 2015 (edited) Anyone who thinks the Chinese will deal with Thailand having the Thai's best interest foremost have been smoking crack or plotting too much on returning Martial law. Pfaa . . . They'll get what they deserve. I have often thought that, that if the Thais think they are going to negotiate a deal with the Chinese that is going to be a big win for Thailand, they must be delusional..... China threatens all the countries in the South China Sea, has gobbled up Laos like a snack, and is going through Africa like a hot knife through butter. And this is the country Thailand wants to cosy up to ? Nice one. The only way this would make sense was if all the power elites in Thailand were part Chinese. Oh wait, they are !!! Edited January 30, 2015 by EyesWideOpen 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catweazle Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 This should be a "must read" as it is a significant hint to the fact that our beloved Thailand could be a full blown totalitarian communist country soon... I already feel sick... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini81 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Maybe its because they've been sleeping with the Shinawatras. Hey, hire me; I'm American... let me show some patriotic duty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydebolle Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Amazing what the Chinese achieve without a single soldier anywhere outside their country nor big mouthing around. Thailand, as many other Ase/ian countries, turn voluntarily to China.Same with Putin, being mobbed by the clowns in Brussels. In ten years from now we'll see EU steamrollered by paid entertainers like Russell while Asia and Russia will be in an unbreakable alliance with China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rijb Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 China has great dams. 70 vessels ran aground in the Mekong River because China is so wonderful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.png.3b3332cc2256ad0edbc2fe9404feeef0.png)
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now