MG crashing the sub-compact car market?

[ignis]

All the old MG's were two seat sports cars....one seat for the driver and one seat for the mechanic.....

Maybe your not from the UK ?

MG also made 2 seater sports cars.......... but also made many 4 door cars and estates. back in the 50's where I came from most Police cars were Black 4 door MG's saloons + much later because they had twin carbs the 1100/1300 Austin MG saloon were also well used as Police cars + 4 doors/hatch and estates were made right up to the end under Rover MG.

[IMHO]

Interesting topic title that needs this:

[cumgranosalum]

Interesting topic title that needs this:

What were the conclusions?

[cumgranosalum]

I think it would be foolhardy to play down the extent that MG are going to penetrate the market here in S.E. Asia and particularly Thailand in the next few years.

[IMHO]

Interesting topic title that needs this:

What were the conclusions?

The conclusions are displayed right at the start of the video, hehe.

3/5 stars.

[cumgranosalum]

Interesting topic title that needs this:

What were the conclusions?

The conclusions are displayed right at the start of the video, hehe.

3/5 stars.

THat's the rating - what are the conclusions...e.g. how does it rate with models of similar size or price? What does it do really badly on? Are there any reviews?

[IMHO]

Interesting topic title that needs this:

What were the conclusions?

The conclusions are displayed right at the start of the video, hehe.

3/5 stars.

THat's the rating - what are the conclusions...e.g. how does it rate with models of similar size or price? What does it do really badly on? Are there any reviews?

Models sold in Thailand in this class usually lack the airbags and electronic safety aids to get a 5-star rating based on EU/AU standards, but they will at least score 4 stars, with the same basic structural protections as their 5-star cousins. 3 stars is not a great effort.

If you want more detail, visit the EuroNCAP website

I don't need more detail to make the decision to avoid this

[NanLaew]

What were the conclusions?

The conclusions are displayed right at the start of the video, hehe.

3/5 stars.

THat's the rating - what are the conclusions...e.g. how does it rate with models of similar size or price? What does it do really badly on? Are there any reviews?

Models sold in Thailand in this class usually lack the airbags and electronic safety aids to get a 5-star rating based on EU/AU standards, but they will at least score 4 stars, with the same basic structural protections as their 5-star cousins. 3 stars is not a great effort.

If you want more detail, visit the EuroNCAP website

I don't need more detail to make the decision to avoid this

Airbags?

Electronic safety aids?

It fits in the driveway without me or the missus having to shift the bikes. That's the stuff that matters.

And it's cheap.

Oh yes.... and nahruk.

(does a Yaris or a Swift have a sunroof?)

[Ace of Pop]

Conclusion.?. You like M.G.

[steve187]

at 479,000 baht for an auto its cheap.

[ignis]

Not seen or driven, only read reports both from UK and from Thai motoring...

Yep looks on paper anyway not at all bad for the price, a few mm bigger all round than the same class Honda Jazz,

and that costs a lot more. [appears as it is not under the eco tax program the Jazz is the best to compare with]

NanLaew both the Yaris and Swift come under the 'eco' tax class

[IMHO]

The MG3 was tested under the 2014 rules: http://www.euroncap.com/en/results/mg/3/7878

According to this, there have only been 3 cars in total tested under the 2015 rules: http://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-rewards/latest-safety-ratings

As for your list of cars, sorry no idea what most of them are.

Here's some results for models sold in TH though:

http://www.euroncap.com/en/results/nissan/micra/11022

http://www.euroncap.com/en/results/ford/fiesta/10922

http://www.euroncap.com/en/results/suzuki/swift/11026

https://www.ancap.com.au/safety-ratings/mitsubishi/mirage/1cef11

However, of these you should note that only the Fiesta is available in TH with the same safety package as EU/AU.

[cumgranosalum]

The MG3 was tested under the 2014 rules: http://www.euroncap.com/en/results/mg/3/7878

According to this, there have only been 3 cars in total tested under the 2015 rules: http://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-rewards/latest-safety-ratings

As for your list of cars, sorry no idea what most of them are.

Here's some results for models sold in TH though:

http://www.euroncap.com/en/results/nissan/micra/11022

http://www.euroncap.com/en/results/ford/fiesta/10922

http://www.euroncap.com/en/results/suzuki/swift/11026

https://www.ancap.com.au/safety-ratings/mitsubishi/mirage/1cef11

However, of these you should note that only the Fiesta is available in TH with the same safety package as EU/AU.

So ............conclusion???

[steve187]

most of the list are uk vans and non european spec cars.

[cumgranosalum]

most of the list are uk vans and non european spec cars.

...and your conclusion?

[IMHO]

It's not that at all

The topic is safety, and while tests have been devised to provide consumers with objective data, the weighting each consumer applies to the outcomes are their own subjective analysis - often influenced by other factors (price, perceived risk, cuteness, saleswoman attractiveness etc).

For example, one of my conclusions is that I wouldn't let my wife or kids drive a less safe car when more safe cars are available in the same basic price range. However, when it comes to your family, frankly, I don't actually care - so my conclusion for you is: in the absence of your own deductive powers, feel free to ignore the safety data

[seedy]

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[cumgranosalum]

It's not that at all

The topic is safety, and while tests have been devised to provide consumers with objective data, the weighting each consumer applies to the outcomes are their own subjective analysis - often influenced by other factors (price, perceived risk, cuteness, saleswoman attractiveness etc).

For example, one of my conclusions is that I wouldn't let my wife or kids drive a less safe car when more safe cars are available in the same basic price range. However, when it comes to your family, frankly, I don't actually care - so my conclusion for you is: in the absence of your own deductive powers, feel free to ignore the safety data

Exactly - as I pointed out earlier, a conclusion on the figures was not forthcoming from many posters who consider that a star rating is a "conclusion" - a conclusion would be a opinion based on the figures, summaries facts and stats available.

the topic is not safety - it is are the "crashing" the market........

As I have said earlier, i think that the MG may well be a force to be reckoned with in the Thai market i the future - regardless of whether I like the car or not.

[IMHO]

It's not that at all

The topic is safety, and while tests have been devised to provide consumers with objective data, the weighting each consumer applies to the outcomes are their own subjective analysis - often influenced by other factors (price, perceived risk, cuteness, saleswoman attractiveness etc).

For example, one of my conclusions is that I wouldn't let my wife or kids drive a less safe car when more safe cars are available in the same basic price range. However, when it comes to your family, frankly, I don't actually care - so my conclusion for you is: in the absence of your own deductive powers, feel free to ignore the safety data

Exactly - as I pointed out earlier, a conclusion on the figures was not forthcoming from many posters who consider that a star rating is a "conclusion" - a conclusion would be a opinion based on the figures, summaries facts and stats available.

the topic is not safety - it is are the "crashing" the market........

As I have said earlier, i think that the MG may well be a force to be reckoned with in the Thai market i the future - regardless of whether I like the car or not.

AFAIK, You were the only one pushing for conclusions - myself and others simply posted/linked to objective data. (DELETED) As for the topic, I posted a video which was relevant to the model being discussed, and relevant to a word play in the topic title. It was you that turned crash safety into a story arc

[IMHO]

As I have said earlier, i think that the MG may well be a force to be reckoned with in the Thai market i the future - regardless of whether I like the car or not.

I guess it depends on what a "force to be reckoned with" means to you. If that means, a solid competitor for makes like KIA and Proton, yep, I agree fully. Tier-1 though? hrmm, it's tough to see that.

[keemapoot]

As I have said earlier, i think that the MG may well be a force to be reckoned with in the Thai market i the future - regardless of whether I like the car or not.

I guess it depends on what a "force to be reckoned with" means to you. If that means, a solid competitor for makes like KIA and Proton, yep, I agree fully. Tier-1 though? hrmm, it's tough to see that.

You industry guys know better than I do, but it seems that MG at this point is a tier 3 player, and would like to get to tier 2. I would put them along with DFM, and yes, Kia, but not in the category of a Proton yet, which has a much stronger footing in SE Asia, or even Hyundai, which has a more developed dealer network.

Having said that, I have seen MG dealerships springing up even in outlying areas, and I noticed one was co-located along with a Suzuki dealership, so not sure if those dealers are getting in on the act or not.

[steve187]

most of the list are uk vans and non european spec cars.

...and your conclusion?

my conclusion (DELETED) is that the post had no relevance to the thread (DELETED)

[kartman]

As I have said earlier, i think that the MG may well be a force to be reckoned with in the Thai market i the future - regardless of whether I like the car or not.

I guess it depends on what a "force to be reckoned with" means to you. If that means, a solid competitor for makes like KIA and Proton, yep, I agree fully. Tier-1 though? hrmm, it's tough to see that.

You industry guys know better than I do, but it seems that MG at this point is a tier 3 player, and would like to get to tier 2. I would put them along with DFM, and yes, Kia, but not in the category of a Proton yet, which has a much stronger footing in SE Asia, or even Hyundai, which has a more developed dealer network.

Having said that, I have seen MG dealerships springing up even in outlying areas, and I noticed one was co-located along with a Suzuki dealership, so not sure if those dealers are getting in on the act or not.

Kia you've not been to Laos then.

[keemapoot]

^Sure, I know Kia is big in Laos and other countries, but in Thailand, I would argue they are somewhat less than 2nd tier.

[NanLaew]

Thanks all for the comments on the safety aspects, your reasoning and opinions. Mrs NL has a 10-year accident-free record until she was t-boned by a crotch rocket last October (not her fault) hence her search for new wheels. Her sister laughs at how slow she drives on the motorbike and my mates feared they would miss their flight a few years back when she was taking them to the airport. She is a canny driver.

It looks like early days for MG in Thailand but their product looks as viable as comparable cookie-cutter sub-compacts on the local market. I have told her that the nearest dealership is in Bangna and she should give them a call. If I get any further details on 'special deals' I will post.

The way I look at it right now, it's scarcity lends it some cache (same same nahruk, but different) and Buddha knows how Thai drivers love that aspect.

[cumgranosalum]

As I have said earlier, i think that the MG may well be a force to be reckoned with in the Thai market i the future - regardless of whether I like the car or not.

I guess it depends on what a "force to be reckoned with" means to you. If that means, a solid competitor for makes like KIA and Proton, yep, I agree fully. Tier-1 though? hrmm, it's tough to see that.

Don't underestimate the amount of money backing this company.......China in general wants to build cars.....and export will be a big part of that....they already have a plant in Thailand and UK.....so they already have a foothold in EU and AEC,

[seedy]

Thanks all for the comments on the safety aspects, your reasoning and opinions. Mrs NL has a 10-year accident-free record until she was t-boned by a crotch rocket last October (not her fault) hence her search for new wheels. Her sister laughs at how slow she drives on the motorbike and my mates feared they would miss their flight a few years back when she was taking them to the airport. She is a canny driver.

It looks like early days for MG in Thailand but their product looks as viable as comparable cookie-cutter sub-compacts on the local market. I have told her that the nearest dealership is in Bangna and she should give them a call. If I get any further details on 'special deals' I will post.

The way I look at it right now, it's scarcity lends it some cache (same same nahruk, but different) and Buddha knows how Thai drivers love that aspect.

Please keep us posted. Many say the same on this forum as others say on the Bikes forum re: Chinese products.

Would be nice to have a first hand opinion.