Soldiers to reform student gangs, Thai official says

[BFerearnk]

I have serious doubt that people who are trained to fight in combat have the ability of much needed qualified social workers in any attempt to pacify violent street gangs...

You may as well engage Thai monks to teach them integrity and incorruptibility.

You forget that each army have schools where the instructors are also used to handle hardons. Not always with punichment, the army is not more the same then in our young times. I was 38 years in the army and saw the evolution.

Teambuildindg is one of the first things to achive with a new group ... so they learn to work TOGHETER, then you can strart the fighting training.

And this first step will be the point to to handle this gangmembers.

Are there military specialists to handle poor spellers?

And who does the handling of hardons? Some may be interested in meeting them?

Again, sorry my poor Englich spelling or translation it is not my native laguage. If you have nothing better to answer on my post and even it is completly of topic then let it or open a new topic. Please to anwer me in Dutch, French or German anwer . Sorry also for my replay in this topic, it is also of topic.

[lvr181]

Are there military specialists to handle poor spellers?

And who does the handling of hardons? Some may be interested in meeting them?

Again, sorry my poor Englich spelling or translation it is not my native laguage. If you have nothing better to answer on my post and even it is completly of topic then let it or open a new topic. Please to anwer me in Dutch, French or German anwer . Sorry also for my replay in this topic, it is also of topic.

It is okay BFerearnk - I understood English was not your first language. Not sure that Manbing did

Please do not be offended by my humorous remarks

[fareastguy]

A two year stint should sort them out !!

Or the alternative is what my local police did when I was younger... if local youths couldn't get along they took them along to the nearest youth club boxing ring & gave them a pair of gloves each.. then said go for it !!!

After a few rounds they seemed to quieten down a bit and sort out there differences!

[BFerearnk]

A two year stint should sort them out !!

Or the alternative is what my local police did when I was younger... if local youths couldn't get along they took them along to the nearest youth club boxing ring & gave them a pair of gloves each.. then said go for it !!!

After a few rounds they seemed to quieten down a bit and sort out there differences!

Yes, this boxingclubs do sometimes great work. If big problem recrutes dont want to be resonable, we do the same. STAND UP and show what you can . IT takes the direct confrontation down and lower there aggression. You see and feel them changing " YUPPIE'

[Runamile]

I've watched the Chinese Navy and Army turn "Yuppies" into humble and bearable. That doesn't take two years! Friends taught and researched at a Chinese Naval University. Everyone gets 6 weeks basic military training at the start of their first degree course.

I went over to dinner on a particularly tough night - shouting, screaming, ritual humiliation and kicking, the odd bit of jostling. I went to the bleeding heart liberals club - aka Uni teachers - saying wow, that seemed a bit much. They said "that's what we thought. Now we realise that without that happening, they would be unteachable".

Those military guys can cast an eye; and within 2 seconds recognise an arrogant little sh*t, from the body language alone. They don't stay that way for long - in fact, 6 weeks max!

[Runamile]

Boxing clubs do an excellent job! I worked with them in South East London.

[Andreas2]

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Please not forget that infact the RTA is the boss in THA.

I agree ... almost. Except that this perception does not apply exclusively to Thailand. That claim would be unfair.

As in every system which is based on the use of force (like in any "nation state") - be it a democracy or not - its authority/power is finally based on its executive, armed branches. In non-state-terminology they would be called gang bangers. (Here you have a link back on topic)

The military provides the integrity of the gang land borders and inside these borders the police make sure that taxes/revenues are paid to the respective collectors.

In the end, the success of any state is based on its powerful groups that carry the guns.

To finally close the loop back on topic: It absolutely makes sense that the executive branches do their headhunting within groups of young people with a tendency to affiliation and violence.

Later, in a possible military training, some of these young guys will break, some will stay in lower ranks and a very few will succeed and become highly respected pillars of the state.

[BFerearnk]

I've watched the Chinese Navy and Army turn "Yuppies" into humble and bearable. That doesn't take two years! Friends taught and researched at a Chinese Naval University. Everyone gets 6 weeks basic military training at the start of their first degree course.

I went over to dinner on a particularly tough night - shouting, screaming, ritual humiliation and kicking, the odd bit of jostling. I went to the bleeding heart liberals club - aka Uni teachers - saying wow, that seemed a bit much. They said "that's what we thought. Now we realise that without that happening, they would be unteachable".

Those military guys can cast an eye; and within 2 seconds recognise an arrogant little sh*t, from the body language alone. They don't stay that way for long - in fact, 6 weeks max!

Thats the Western Army's-training 45 years ago. In the Thai army they let the problem guys strip in public . Everybody knows what that means for a Thai.

I have it on video (no lie) but can't give it free.

With mean warmachines your nothing ... making people feel reponsable for the job they do ... thats the trick.

[Runamile]

You're, of course, absolutely right, but remember this wasn't training with a view to being involved in the military. We are talking students, nothing more, nothing less. Serving naval personnel are treated differently, having had their basic and periodic training off-campus.

This was all about communal living and pulling your weight, specifically not thinking yourself above others. Those same NCOs that I saw kicking some guys were also actively helping overweight girls around, the issue being were you trying or not. Try and you got support. Don't try, worse be rude and arrogant, and a ton of bricks would come down on you.

I think at some time the message has to be made absolutely clear. Let's be honest, the focus here may be gangs, but Thailand, also, has the same problem of people who feel entitled and will do as they please, uninterested in anybody else. The image that always comes to mind is that girl with her mobile phone, after the minivan has flown downward, causing multiple deaths. Both groups need to be spoken to in very clear words.

Edited May 21, 2015 by Runamile

[rametindallas]

I have serious doubt that people who are trained to fight in combat have the ability of much needed qualified social workers in any attempt to pacify violent street gangs...

You may as well engage Thai monks to teach them integrity and incorruptibility.

You forget that each army have schools where the instructors are also used to handle hardons. Not always with punichment, the army is not more the same then in our young times. I was 38 years in the army and saw the evolution.

Teambuildindg is one of the first things to achive with a new group ... so they learn to work TOGHETER, then you can strart the fighting training.

And this first step will be the point to to handle this gangmembers.

Are there military specialists to handle poor spellers?

better to be a poor speller than a complete berk which you sound to be.

[BFerearnk]

You're, of course, absolutely right, but remember this wasn't training with a view to being involved in the military. We are talking students, nothing more, nothing less. Serving naval personnel are treated differently, having had their basic and periodic training off-campus.

This was all about communal living and pulling your weight, specifically not thinking yourself above others. Those same NCOs that I saw kicking some guys were also actively helping overweight girls around, the issue being were you trying or not. Try and you got support. Don't try, worse be rude and arrogant, and a ton of bricks would come down on you.

I think at some time the message has to be made absolutely clear. Let's be honest, the focus here may be gangs, but Thailand, also, has the same problem of people who feel entitled and will do as they please, uninterested in anybody else. The image that always comes to mind is that girl with her mobile phone, after the minivan has flown downward, causing multiple deaths. Both groups need to be spoken to in very clear words.

One of the seldom who see clear.

The more parents go work for MORE money and if have it ... spoil the childern to be relax, it will not go better.

Al over the world the problemyouthhomes and youth judges can't nearly take care of the demands and police arrest.

So if the army and sprortclubs can bring a little help why not, each country on his point of view.

Oh man its so difficult to make rightup what in years went wrong. Sometimes you must make a stone of your heart to take the stone out of anothers heart. But nestwarm and be understand still primes for me.

But every boy/girl who goes head upright out makes it wurth, even by the hard way IF NECESSARY.

Edited May 21, 2015 by BFerearnk

[rametindallas]

A two year stint should sort them out !!

Or the alternative is what my local police did when I was younger... if local youths couldn't get along they took them along to the nearest youth club boxing ring & gave them a pair of gloves each.. then said go for it !!!

After a few rounds they seemed to quieten down a bit and sort out there differences!

I think they wouldn't be interested unless the odds were five or six to one. These guys aren't tough unless they outnumber their victims.

[aripengu]

What about law students to reform soldier gangs?

[Crazy chef 1]

This will be as effective as starting a US led war in Iraq.

What are the soldiers expecting to do?

Riding on buses will mean the violence is rescheduled to take place away from buses.

The army could play a key role though. Draft everyone convicted of gang violence.

Sorted

and send them to the southern provinces....

[BFerearnk]

What about law students to reform soldier gangs?

You mean the ARMY TOP.

1) Thai lawers are there to help find the backdoors are diturn the law.

2) NOBODY have the force to tuch ( maybe scratch them a little) the army in Thailand. Just look at the Thai history.

[Traveling Sailor]

Call in the Waco PD, they will show you a thing or two on dealings with gangs.

Bring back the stocks and public humiliation for these dirt bags. That ought to change things in a hurry.

[copa8]

maybe help reform these dirt bags?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3178182/Los-Angeles-gangs-bet-kill-100-people-100-days-first.html

[Andreas2]

maybe help reform these dirt bags?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3178182/Los-Angeles-gangs-bet-kill-100-people-100-days-first.html

No offense intended, but...

What's your point? Please elaborate a little bit.

What does "Los Angeles gangs 'in sick CONTEST to kill 100 people in 100 days'" have to do with "Ruling gang is recruiting young talents for their own services" in this thread?