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Here's how Egyptian rifles are marked in Arabic numbers - if you check the prior sheet provided on page 2, you can translate it yourself without the helpers in the picture (upper is the year of manufacturing -1959, lower the serial number -249). I suppose this is what is meant in Arabic numerals, not "Roman" ones.

Roman numbers are III, IX, VIII etc. Arabic numbers are the numbers that we use in English, because we took them from the Arabs and they replaced the older Roman system. The standard term for these numbers in English is Arabic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_numerals

The gun was printed with these numbers and the English language.

See the photo again for (non-Westernized) Arabic numbers -.-

..........and because Egypt stamped military rifles with them, 56 years ago, US manufacturers do it now. BS.

Howbout US Berettas then?

http://forums.gunboards.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=746901&d=1391615386&thumb=1

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Here's how Egyptian rifles are marked in Arabic numbers - if you check the prior sheet provided on page 2, you can translate it yourself without the helpers in the picture (upper is the year of manufacturing -1959, lower the serial number -249). I suppose this is what is meant in Arabic numerals, not "Roman" ones.

Roman numbers are III, IX, VIII etc. Arabic numbers are the numbers that we use in English, because we took them from the Arabs and they replaced the older Roman system. The standard term for these numbers in English is Arabic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_numerals

The gun was printed with these numbers and the English language.

See the photo again for (non-Westernized) Arabic numbers -.-

The standard term for our numbers in the English language is Arabic numerals. The existence of another Arab numbering system does nothing to change that. In English that numbering system would have to be specifically spelled out, eastern Arabic, because the STANDARD TERM in English for our numbers is Arabic numbers. This is what they teach everyone in school in English speaking countries.

A gun using eastern arab numbers would be paired with the Arabic language anyway. English language + Arabic numbers + US gun manufacturer means our numbers.

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This is a link to the Law Library of Congress describing in detail the Firearms-Control Legislation and Policy of Japan. Khun Camronwit may be in deep doo doo.

http://www.loc.gov/law/help/firearms-control/japan.php

Interesting. Most Thais don't seem to understand not everywhere is like Thailand. He would never be challenged and could do as pleased here. Worst scenario of something really bad happens - buy your way out and/or call in a few favors.

I really hope the Japanese enforce their laws and don't cave in to the Thai lies and diplomatic pressures and machinations.

I also hope the Japanese police follow through and get to the real true facts of this case. Maybe the RTP could learn something.

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I very much doubt that guns sold in Thailand from international gun makers have their serial numbers written in Thai. This is a report from the Japanese side NOT the Thai side. Can anyone with a legal gun in the family confirm about the serial numbers please!

I have a registered Smith & Wesson .38 revolver which I just removed from the safe to check. It has the original S&W serial number stamped in 2 places and a couple of other numbers which from a quick google image search appear to be standard on that model. There are no extra markings that I can see. Certainly none with Thai script.

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..........and because Egypt stamped military rifles with them, 56 years ago, US manufacturers do it now. BS.

Howbout US Berettas then?

http://forums.gunboards.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=746901&d=1391615386&thumb=1

Wow, great picture, couldn't you find a smaller one. I can make out 9074, and what's the other, somebody's initials?

Or then you can use http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/836311-camronwits-gun-found-to-be-unregistered/?p=9561420 to decipher.

Don't have a better photo since I wasn't as bright as the good general and brought my own weapon to Thailand with me :D

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Security for Thai Airways business class passengers at Suvarnabhumi is not exactly the finest. Recently whilst replacing my trouser belt, shoes, computer and whatever I watched one of the guards supposedly watching the screen, and at least three bags went through whilst he was looking away talking to a colleague.

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What is all the hoopla about whether the gun was registered? That would be a Thai issue and a secondary issue ie possessing an unregistered/unreported gun. The alleged crime is carrying a loaded gun into the passenger cabin of a passenger plane. Extremely serious offense in today's climate.

The last article showed a pic of the gun which was a derringer sized, one shot 22 pistol. Easy to miss in an X-ray scan. How did this change to a full size 5 shot pistol?

Are the conspiracy theorists and spin doctors just having a binge?...

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Now, the only way Kamronwit could be deeper in the poo is if he had gone on a shooting rampage in Japan. One question I would dearly like to ask him. "Why did you keep it loaded when you easily can buy .22 magnum cartridges in Thailand?" There is stupid, breathtakingly stupid, glaringly stupid, but this is approaching 'blindingly stupid'. Wow!

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Stupid is as stupid does! Can we be sure he was a Police General? Surely "stupid" people do not get promoted do they? whistling.gif

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A Japanese guy got prison time last year for making a paper gun.

Yesterday, a Japanese man was sentenced to two years in prison for manufacturing 3D-printed guns. Yoshitomo Imura, a 28-year-old from Kawasaki, was arrested in May after posting a video of himself assembling his very illegal firearm to YouTube, which probably wasnt the best idea on his part.

http://www.vice.com/read/3d-gun-arrest-japan-245

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No mention of the purpose of his trip.

I believe there was actually, he was one of 80 Thais on a junk junket, a trash trip or a garbage disposal seminar in Japan.

Why a police general would be there is quite beyond me.

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Accidentally, I once flew with a fully loaded magazine of 15 9mm rounds and the airport in NY miss that too. Thank god they missed it, would have been embarrassing to say the least. Makes you wonder what all the security hubbub is for and who's paying for it. Story ended by me donating the rounds to a passing Florida cop and flying home with my mag unloaded. The never saw that either.

TSA= Totally Shady Agency

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A Japanese guy got prison time last year for making a paper gun.

Yesterday, a Japanese man was sentenced to two years in prison for manufacturing 3D-printed guns. Yoshitomo Imura, a 28-year-old from Kawasaki, was arrested in May after posting a video of himself assembling his very illegal firearm to YouTube, which probably wasnt the best idea on his part.

http://www.vice.com/read/3d-gun-arrest-japan-245

Ummmm...........paper? You're not really up on the concept of 3D printing are you? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_printing

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Next lie from this half wit will be that the gun was originally taken from the B2 when the RTP tortured them on Koh Tao and he just forgot that he still had it in his bag ...

I really hope that - in Japan as in other civilized countries - its a criminal offense to lie while beeing investigated. This moron really pile it up for a long time in "The Big House" since all he can say are lies (like any other RTP s-bag) - hope he rots in Japan, dirty pig ...angry.png

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A stupid arrogant man committing a stupid crime in the wrong country where he won’t walk away from justice because he has no high ranking Hi So friends in Japan let’s hope he serves a lot more time than a week for carrying an unregistered gun on to a plane and then trying to return on a plane with similar item I even had to bin a bottle of 30 year old Scotch at airport one time he could have just binned his gun and got on with life and his journey.

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the only reason he was carrying a loaded untraceable gun was because he wanted to use it without being traced back. they say the vast majority of guns for hire in Thailand are ex cops.

Or serving cops, one in Phuket some time back did a job on someone at a Thai peoples watering hole he's still serving, story has long since dropped off the radar and media reports.

Our friend in Japan will not be so lucky I believe.

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What is all the hoopla about whether the gun was registered? That would be a Thai issue and a secondary issue ie possessing an unregistered/unreported gun. The alleged crime is carrying a loaded gun into the passenger cabin of a passenger plane. Extremely serious offense in today's climate.

The last article showed a pic of the gun which was a derringer sized, one shot 22 pistol. Easy to miss in an X-ray scan. How did this change to a full size 5 shot pistol?

Are the conspiracy theorists and spin doctors just having a binge?...

Yes it is a tiny gun which I agree would be easy to miss or not recognise as a firearm by a scanner. But as tiny as it is, it does hold 5 bullets. Not just one.

I think the discussion as to whether or not it is legally registered in Thailand is because that will help or hinder his explanation that he had forgotten the gun was packed in his belongings.

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What is all the hoopla about whether the gun was registered? That would be a Thai issue and a secondary issue ie possessing an unregistered/unreported gun. The alleged crime is carrying a loaded gun into the passenger cabin of a passenger plane. Extremely serious offense in today's climate.

The last article showed a pic of the gun which was a derringer sized, one shot 22 pistol. Easy to miss in an X-ray scan. How did this change to a full size 5 shot pistol?

Are the conspiracy theorists and spin doctors just having a binge?...

Really.

So having an unregistered and therefore illegal weapon in your possession, lying to the police (apparently) that it was registered in your own country and not being able to produce documentary evidence won't be of interest to the Japanese police, IYO. They will just charge him with attempting to carry it on a plane. You reckon? Hope you're not a lawyer.

The alleged crime(s) will be what the prosecutors decide to charge him with. Of course they may decide the gun was carried in from Thailand, is registered to him there, and it was all a mistake. He forgot he put it in his bag, forgot he shouldn't take it on a plane, take it to another country, bring it back on a plane, carry it loaded and forgot where he put all the documentation. Easy mistakes when you're forgetful.

It's a 5 shot .22 caliber derringer revolver. Hardly the key chain toy one top Thai copy tried to pass it off as. Plenty of information on this thread about the type of gun. And no, not easy to miss if security are doing their job right.

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Wow all these opinions maybe he was there for banking and needed a Gun for his protection any ways Thais don't lie

He was there on a freebie trip to look at Garbage plants for the Pathumthani authorities,

Now, what else was he up to that either warranted carrying a gun or acquired a gun? That is something I hope the Japanese police might follow through on.

He probably can't understand why his lies aren't being accepted as they would in Thailand.

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If as he said originally that he brought it from LOS and not detected - problem with airport security

If was gift in Thailand and not registered (- the stamps and certificate that the son was taking and now someone else providing who gifted him) then again problem with national security

If he got it in Japan then why and has it been used / fired?

He's just a citizen of Thailand now no longer a policeman - hope Japan throw the full sentence allowed at him - up to his neck in BS and lies and slowly sinking

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No mention of the purpose of his trip.

I believe there was actually, he was one of 80 Thais on a junk junket, a trash trip or a garbage disposal seminar in Japan.

Why a police general would be there is quite beyond me.

Probably to do business of another kind that may have required some armed security.

any news as to whether he attended the garbage show?

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He deserves everything he gets and more. Someone who has held the position he did should know better

I think your assuming a Thai top cop is a dedicated professional as they are elsewhere.

Here he is just a sneaky little man with a sneaky little gun.

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