good gatewheels?

[Thian]

This is our gatewheel at 5 years old. Totally broken, the bearring has come out.

It has been serviced well, new greasespray every 3 months to stop the noises and then it still breaks. What a quality! Made in Thailand or China?

But why did they mount sets of 2 wheels under the gate? Is one not enough?

And where can i buy good wheels for this gate? I need totally maintenance free wheels who never squeek. Prefer made in Japan or Germany.

[gerry123]

sorry doesn't look like its ever been greased

[KhunBENQ]

Some pics of gatewheels:

https://www.google.co.th/search?biw=1280&bih=888&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=%09%E0%B8%A5%E0%B8%B9%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%A5%E0%B9%89%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%9B%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%B0%E0%B8%95%E0%B8%B9&oq=%09%E0%B8%A5%E0%B8%B9%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%A5%E0%B9%89%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%9B%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%B0%E0%B8%95%E0%B8%B9&gs_l=img.3..0i19l8.9047.9047.0.10314.1.1.0.0.0.0.115.115.0j1.1.0....0...1c.1.64.img..0.1.115.dSTairlgHSw

To my knowledge the most expensive are stainless steel wheels.

Cost up to 500 Baht per piece. Available in most homestores.

I have no experience with 5 year olds I guess you have high expectations on those parts.

I did buy "plastic" (nylon) wheels some 3 years ago.

They still work good, but of course from time to time: clean from dirt, use penetrating oil (spray) on the ball-bearings.

Grease would probably be better.

The nylon things do not roll as easy as the stainless stuff, but much cheaper (was it 150?). and also less problems with rust compared to the cheapo 60 or 80 Baht pieces.

I would not be too depressed if they fail after 5 years. I have adopted my expectations

Stainless stuff:

You can print Thai script for "stainless gatewheel" from here:

http://www.thai-language.com/?blu=xdmhxenNILvD0LXZIMrhtbngxcpo

Edited July 18, 2015 by KhunBENQ

[desmondspencer]

There could be something wrong with the alignment of the wheels via the brackets. Alternatively, try some good japanese bearings

[Thian]

There could be something wrong with the alignment of the wheels via the brackets. Alternatively, try some good japanese bearings

Yes it seems the nut came loose and the wheelholder got widened. Then the bearring fell out and the whole thing is gone.

Those stainless look great but very expensive i guess. Actually i would like to have one of those fancy stainless gates with remote control to solve the whole gateproblem. Remote control costs 40k but how much is a stainless gate from 6 metres? Any rough indication?

The whole gate is rusting and needs to get replaced one day in a few years time.

We open the gate less then 10 times a day , not much.

500 baht for a wheel sounds good to me. But for that price i expect good wheels for the next 10 years, i don't want to hear them squeek anymore.

[paulchiangmai]

There could be something wrong with the alignment of the wheels via the brackets. Alternatively, try some good japanese bearings

Yes it seems the nut came loose and the wheelholder got widened. Then the bearring fell out and the whole thing is gone.

Those stainless look great but very expensive i guess. Actually i would like to have one of those fancy stainless gates with remote control to solve the whole gateproblem. Remote control costs 40k but how much is a stainless gate from 6 metres? Any rough indication?

The whole gate is rusting and needs to get replaced one day in a few years time.

We open the gate less then 10 times a day , not much.

500 baht for a wheel sounds good to me. But for that price i expect good wheels for the next 10 years, i don't want to hear them squeek anymore.

The stainless part is the bracket, you still have the same bearing which is the part that failed. If you could apply grease then the bearings never had seals in them, make sure you get bearings with a plastic seal on both sides. The seals hopefully hold grease in and rain and muck out. If I could get five years out of mine I would hold a celebration. I see a multitude of these bearings in Global here in Chiang Mai, most have Japan written in large letters on the boxes they come in but they do not state where they are made. If such poor quality comes from Japan I will eat my hat. I would like to know why all these gate wheels have an insert pressed into the centre of the bearing to reduce the internal diameter, is no company capable of making bearings with the correct I.D. Remove the bearings from the box before buying and see if they rotate freely or hang up on this insert, in one shop I had two staff members try to find two bearings that would rotate freely, they went through fifty boxes and found just one. I must admit I didn't help the last lot in my gate when I forgot to open it and backed the car into it, in spite of having reversing camera, rear view camera and those radar things on the back of the car. And sober I was.

[KhunBENQ]

make sure you get bearings with a plastic seal on both sides.

What I have in the pic above looks like having seals on the bearings.

[Thian]

So those stainless wheels in Thailand are not made in JAPAN? How could i not think of that? It's the same with those hotwater boilers "with german technology", i had one explode right next to me while having a hot shower.

I will bring some from Germany myself. Yes i want real bearrings who last 20 years like they can do on any car. Closed ones with a seal, all weatherproof.

The wheel isn't the problem, it's the bearring. The bearring falls apart because the bracket doesn't fit tight enough. I guess the nut is loose to keep the brackets together. Of course the Thai have never heard of Locktite or selflocking nuts.

But i have hundreds of neighbours with the same wheels. I spray them with white grease but the others do nothing. Some even have to push their gates open with 3 people or they can't open/close it. Then they park outside or leave it open all day.

You should hear the noises coming from their gates!

Well another great job for me, one day i will have everything of western quality i hope. Get so tired of stuff like this.

[paulchiangmai]

make sure you get bearings with a plastic seal on both sides.

What I have in the pic above looks like having seals on the bearings.

Yes, correct.

[bankruatsteve]

Whatever wheels you have, it will probably help to give them a good spray of WD40 (or the like) once a month. I don't know what kind of wheels I have, but that does the trick to get them rolling smooth.

[Don Mega]

Spraying the wheels/bearing down with WD-40 will wash away any lubricant that may exist and will cause premature failure.

[bankruatsteve]

Failure of what? It helps rust prevention and acts as a lubricant for the short time - like about a month.

[Thian]

Failure of what? It helps rust prevention and acts as a lubricant for the short time - like about a month.

Yes you are right, WD-40 sure won't hurt and lubricates well but it disolves grease. If there was any grease left in the bearrings it will drip out after spraying with wd-40.

But if WD40 is sprayed every month then it sure works.

I bought the white sprayable grease on a fair in Muang Thong Thani. Works very well but is hard to find in Bangkok.

[maxtwo]

WD-40 is not a lubricant.It is to free things up.

[KhunBENQ]

WD-40 is not a lubricant.It is to free things up.

Yep, quite different from what I use: SONAX MoS₂ Oil (spray).

Easily available everywhere in Thailand.

But it is interesting to learn that there is a "white spray grease" based on Lithium.

Multiple brands seem to be available in Thailand and should be found in the car accessory/car care sections/shops.

A popular brand seems to be this one:

(seems to be made in Thailand under licence from a UK company)

Edited July 20, 2015 by KhunBENQ

[bankruatsteve]

WD40 may not be the best choice as a "lubricant", but it does lubricate - especially things that get wet - like gate wheels. Whatever, it works just fine for me.

[Don Mega]

WD40 may not be the best choice as a "lubricant", but it does lubricate - especially things that get wet - like gate wheels. Whatever, it works just fine for me.

Might come as surprise but grease works well too.

[bankruatsteve]

WD40 may not be the best choice as a "lubricant", but it does lubricate - especially things that get wet - like gate wheels. Whatever, it works just fine for me.

Might come as surprise but grease works well too.

Not on gate wheels - unless you like crunchy sounds.

[Don Mega]

So grease is not good for bearings...... allrighty then.

[Thian]

So grease is not good for bearings...... allrighty then.

Well sand sticks to grease so in the case of gatewheels it's no good if there's sand in the bearrings sticking to the grease.

That's why good bearings have seal but also grease inside.

[Don Mega]

So grease is not good for bearings...... allrighty then.

Well sand sticks to grease so in the case of gatewheels it's no good if there's sand in the bearrings sticking to the grease.

That's why good bearings have seal but also grease inside.

You can was the sand and grease away with WD-40.

win win situation.

[rawhod]

We bought the large size stainless steel gate wheels which run smoothly and quietly about 12 months ago. As far as we can remember they were nearer 1000 baht a pair than 500 baht.

[KhunBENQ]

they were nearer 1000 baht a pair than 500 baht.

Sure, my price estimate of 500 was per piece (seen at Homeworks in Pattaya).

[bankruatsteve]

We bought the large size stainless steel gate wheels which run smoothly and quietly about 12 months ago. As far as we can remember they were nearer 1000 baht a pair than 500 baht.

One would like to assume that SS wheels would be standard for a gate. Whether it's TIT or what, I don't know, but most gates seem to have crap wheels like the OP and which will corrode to dust unless constant periodic attention. That's why you really need to watch down to the detail of just about any construction here.