PM Prayut irked at Suthep jibe

[BirdsandBooze]

they are really both on the same side

Not really. In the local vernacular, Prayut is merely the jockey, who was hired by the trainer (with the owner's and investors' blessings). Jockeys are replaced once their usefulness and abilities have been stretched. And there will be no compunction on the part of the trainer when replacing the jockey. Suthep represents the investors, and Prayut probably senses it's nearing time for him to dismount.

This is what was explained to me by a well educated Thai: The country is controlled by a coalition of three elites - the military elite, the monarchists and the business elite. The most powerful of them is the military elite and the most powerful people in it are Prayut and his inner circle. Second are the monarchists which contain many ex generals and their families. Last is the business elite. All three need each other to function. With this in mind it is reasonable to suggest that compared to Prayut, Suthep, a non elite and more Luca Brasi than Don Corleone, has nothing like the power the present Prime Minister wields. The army calls the shots so to speak.

[Fat Haggis]

Prayut certainly is treating everyone equally under the same law.

I wonder if Suthep would be given a second chance like PEACE TV was when they spewed a toxic, threatening narrative over the air waves.

In fact giving PEACE TV a second chance was being way to lenient towards the UDD and will no doubt come back to bite Prayut in his behind.

One side threatened the govt, intimidated opposition members, denounced the Junta disregards the law and is given a second chance. The other side offer constructive criticism, ideas towards reform and not a hint of intimidation. No wonder Suthep has not been banned yet. Of course if he starts down the track by trying to divide the nation he too will be banned (and maybe given a second chance?)

When Prayut gives UDD a second chance. Silence. When Suthep is still on his first chance. Uproar.

Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't I bet if Suthep is banned and given a second cnhance I bet the comments would be "See, Prayut does favour Suthep"!!

PTP logic right there folks.

Your first error is comparing Sutheps moves to peace TV, when it's more like 14 students.

Then you continue to make the same comparisons.

Sutheps new formed "foundation" if it creates its own TV a channel, then can be compared.

The rest of your post is just blah blah blah

That's there is sycophant logic right there folks

I asked you in another thread what you though about Sutheps latest moves and what made his foundation different and non political as opposed to the Kohn Kaen students.

Do you believe that Sutheps group are non political and will not be a political entity?

The dusit poll results yesterday believe that Suthep will cause trouble and that his actions are political in nature.

[bamnutsak]

The army calls the shots so to speak.

No. It's meant to appear that they call the shots, but that's just the role they play in this macabre opera. They're just the 'muscle', in the Godfather example. Or to quote the "trainer", they're the jockeys...

"In horse racing they have the stable and the owner of the stable owns the horse. The jockey comes and rides the horse during the race, but the jockey does not own the horse. It's very easy to comprehend."

The most powerful of them is the military elite

Again, no. But the fact that many believe this just goes to show how well things are "orchestrated" and "directed". But their "costumes" are very pretty.

[Eric Loh]

they are really both on the same side

Not really. In the local vernacular, Prayut is merely the jockey, who was hired by the trainer (with the owner's and investors' blessings). Jockeys are replaced once their usefulness and abilities have been stretched. And there will be no compunction on the part of the trainer when replacing the jockey. Suthep represents the investors, and Prayut probably senses it's nearing time for him to dismount.

This is what was explained to me by a well educated Thai: The country is controlled by a coalition of three elites - the military elite, the monarchists and the business elite. The most powerful of them is the military elite and the most powerful people in it are Prayut and his inner circle. Second are the monarchists which contain many ex generals and their families. Last is the business elite. All three need each other to function. With this in mind it is reasonable to suggest that compared to Prayut, Suthep, a non elite and more Luca Brasi than Don Corleone, has nothing like the power the present Prime Minister wields. The army calls the shots so to speak.

Your power and control ranking is all wrong. The military is more like Luca Brasi, the enforcer and Suterp is just a handy man or water boy; a Fredo Carleone.

[elgordo38]

The government acts according to the charter, he said,

now he was able to say THAT with a straight face, was he?

moron...

The following statement kind of says it all "and the foundation's committee members were all former political actors." After all politics is a form of acting. Look at all the bad actors in power around the globe. They "act" like politicians to get elected and to get on the political gravy train. They no longer try to hide this fact its all out in the open now as the sheeple respond to their wishes. Shameless. After the election they become the marionettes of the powers that be. They should have a special award like the Oscars for the worst politician they would all be strong contenders. It could be called the "Golden Finger" award as that seems to be all we are getting lately.

[elgordo38]

I am hopeful they they can fix this thing and move forward. Change is good.

I don,t think anything needs fixing, they are really both on the same side and should work together to produce an honest thaksin-free government. Whatever people may think of Suthep, he is the one who put his life on the line and got the old government out, and it is obvious the redshirt clown jatuporn (note lower case) is trying to to produce a rift between Messrs Prayut and Suthep. Nothing here to get worked up about

You got to quit drinking that Junta Kool-aid. They key word in your statement is "should" could, would it ever happen hmm. Suthep put his life on the line? Hardly. He is just a pawn not a knight on a big chess board. The black colored pieces are now making their move.

[BirdsandBooze]

The army calls the shots so to speak.

No. It's meant to appear that they call the shots, but that's just the role they play in this macabre opera. They're just the 'muscle', in the Godfather example. Or to quote the "trainer", they're the jockeys...

"In horse racing they have the stable and the owner of the stable owns the horse. The jockey comes and rides the horse during the race, but the jockey does not own the horse. It's very easy to comprehend."

The most powerful of them is the military elite

Again, no. But the fact that many believe this just goes to show how well things are "orchestrated" and "directed". But their "costumes" are very pretty.

'All political power comes from the barrel of a gun.'

MAO ZEDONG

Edited August 3, 2015 by BirdsandBooze

[LannaGuy]

Prayut certainly is treating everyone equally under the same law.

I wonder if Suthep would be given a second chance like PEACE TV was when they spewed a toxic, threatening narrative over the air waves.

In fact giving PEACE TV a second chance was being way to lenient towards the UDD and will no doubt come back to bite Prayut in his behind.

One side threatened the govt, intimidated opposition members, denounced the Junta disregards the law and is given a second chance. The other side offer constructive criticism, ideas towards reform and not a hint of intimidation. No wonder Suthep has not been banned yet. Of course if he starts down the track by trying to divide the nation he too will be banned (and maybe given a second chance?)

When Prayut gives UDD a second chance. Silence. When Suthep is still on his first chance. Uproar.

Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't I bet if Suthep is banned and given a second cnhance I bet the comments would be "See, Prayut does favour Suthep"!!

PTP logic right there folks.

yea let's ban all political gatherings of more than five but not Suthep

djjamie pathetic junta-loving logic right there folks

[metisdead]

Some posts containing inflammatory remarks have been removed.

[tbthailand]

In response to tbthailand, 2 posts earlier

My point is that I am tired of the constant references to anti-democratic this and that.

Its NOTHING to do with this story

The crying baby is symbolic of the constant whinging of those people like you who cannot post in TVF without using the phrase 'anti-democratic'.

If you read this, then go back and read the original. You will have been told the same thing twice.

Maybe then you will understand.

then you can be tired of it if you want.

my anti-democratic adjective was descriptive of the side of the political spectrum that both Prayuth and Suthep occupy.

Prayuth is peeved at Suthep and again lashing out at the press to "not make an issue" out of it, ... his typical censorship rant...

Suthep is claiming that this isn't political but wants no elections until "reforms" are complete...

The others quoted in the OP are talking about the current "reforms", which are primarily anti-democratic reforms, and how far they should go before allowing "elections"...

So where do you get off being upset about the adjective "anti-democratic" much less have the gall to claim that it has nothing to do with this topic?

If you read this, then you can go back and un-bunch your panties...

[diehard60]

suthep needs to be in jail for life. he is going to start the things all over again until he becomes GOD of Thailand. that is all he wants.

[tonbridgebrit]

Prayut certainly is treating everyone equally under the same law.

I wonder if Suthep would be given a second chance like PEACE TV was when they spewed a toxic, threatening narrative over the air waves.

In fact giving PEACE TV a second chance was being way to lenient towards the UDD and will no doubt come back to bite Prayut in his behind.

One side threatened the govt, intimidated opposition members, denounced the Junta disregards the law and is given a second chance. The other side offer constructive criticism, ideas towards reform and not a hint of intimidation. No wonder Suthep has not been banned yet. Of course if he starts down the track by trying to divide the nation he too will be banned (and maybe given a second chance?)

When Prayut gives UDD a second chance. Silence. When Suthep is still on his first chance. Uproar.

Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't I bet if Suthep is banned and given a second cnhance I bet the comments would be "See, Prayut does favour Suthep"!!

PTP logic right there folks.

djjamie, if you're going to do a send-up of the anti-redshirts, okay, you're going to have to justify something basic.

Peace TV was banned, and then allowed again. But the Nation Newspaper, bearing in mind all the negative stuff they've said about the junta, they've never been banned.

[tonbridgebrit]

Abhisit, Abhisit, where are you when you are needed ?

YOU are the acceptable face of the yellow-shirts, NOT Suthep. Show yourself, say something big to the newspapers.

[MZurf]

Prayut certainly is treating everyone equally under the same law.

I wonder if Suthep would be given a second chance like PEACE TV was when they spewed a toxic, threatening narrative over the air waves.

In fact giving PEACE TV a second chance was being way to lenient towards the UDD and will no doubt come back to bite Prayut in his behind.

One side threatened the govt, intimidated opposition members, denounced the Junta disregards the law and is given a second chance. The other side offer constructive criticism, ideas towards reform and not a hint of intimidation. No wonder Suthep has not been banned yet. Of course if he starts down the track by trying to divide the nation he too will be banned (and maybe given a second chance?)

When Prayut gives UDD a second chance. Silence. When Suthep is still on his first chance. Uproar.

Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't I bet if Suthep is banned and given a second cnhance I bet the comments would be "See, Prayut does favour Suthep"!!

PTP logic right there folks.

Your first error is comparing Sutheps moves to peace TV, when it's more like 14 students.

Then you continue to make the same comparisons.

Sutheps new formed "foundation" if it creates its own TV a channel, then can be compared.

The rest of your post is just blah blah blah

That's there is sycophant logic right there folks

I asked you in another thread what you though about Sutheps latest moves and what made his foundation different and non political as opposed to the Kohn Kaen students.

Do you believe that Sutheps group are non political and will not be a political entity?

The dusit poll results yesterday believe that Suthep will cause trouble and that his actions are political in nature.

Don't hold your breath waiting for an answer. Facts are like sunlight to vampires for the loony cheerleaders.

[ldiablo]

Jamie. If i'm not mistaken, Peace TV was given what you call a second chance by a court of law and not by your saviour Prayut.

Edited August 3, 2015 by ldiablo

[lildragon]

Quite a few things for our favourite DJ to refute.

Will he turn up I wonder?

[englishoak]

nope.

[MiKT]

I think Suthep must have upset him by sending him an SMS with a photo.......similar to a recent Japanese event

[longtom]

Deputy Prime Minister Yongyuth Yuthavong said it was impossible to finish reform for every sector before an election. The government needs to stick to the road map. Completing every reform before election could be viewed as buying time, as some reform work needed a long period of time to accomplish.

Yeah, all right, but you could at least start some meaningful reforms (police, judiciary, education etc.), the list is endless.

I think people expected more reforms than removing beach vendors, small stall owners in BKK, lottery prices, removing poor people from their plots in 'national parks' (where they stayed before the parks were created and leaving the big perpetrators untouched), ... .

Sorry if I didn't mention Suthep, he's just one of the Oligarchs keeping the country from moving forward.

Edited August 3, 2015 by longtom

[BoristheBlade]

General. Suthep, Thaksin....all 3 shisters, all 3 untrustworthy and all 3 an embarrassment to the real true leader of Thailand.

[casualbiker]

"PRIME MINISTER Prayut Chan-o-cha yesterday lashed out at those insinuating something between him and Suthep Thaugsuban's reform before election movement, saying he had to treat everyone the same under the same law."

Not correct Uncle Too. You should, but you don't.

"I urge you not to cause an issue,"

Yes. Don't ask too many questions about this and certain financial matters or it's off to the attitude adjustment camp.

Move along - nothing to see here....

Its natural that the red shirt supporters feel that something untoward is going on.

But Why would Suthep's newly appointed ankle biter Kasit come out swinging against the government on Friday, complaining about their economic performance, if Suthep and Uncle too were as tight as is being suggested?

Although MZurf makes a good point, Suthep needs a trip to the attitude adjustment camp, if only to balance the books.

Fairs fair now.

I don't think the poster was suggesting that they are "tight"... And I don't think that they are tight at all.

They are on the same, basic, anti-democratic side of the political divide.

But Thai generals don't trust Thai politicians, not even those on the same side. Never have, never will...

Of course when you say fair's fair, one has to ask why we have attitude adjustment camps in the first place...

Yes I believe in regard to the camp/s (not sure if its a plural thing), you might think the name says it all.

They could have used other names I suppose...

'Torture Gulag' was already taken though, by those nice folks from the USA who bought you such prisons as Gitmo and Abu Grain as well numerous international black sites.

Because only the USA know the true value of protecting human rights abuses.

Maybe they are to counter the Red shirt training camps!

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBREA2T0KS20140330

http://m.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1465137/red-shirts-thailand-practise-self-defence-joining-pro-government-protest

[kaorop]

The game of Thai politics can be likened to a 3 year old battling to understand quantum physics.

More like a 3yr old spitting the dummy because they cant eat the whole cake.

[MW72]

they are really both on the same side

Not really. In the local vernacular, Prayut is merely the jockey, who was hired by the trainer (with the owner's and investors' blessings). Jockeys are replaced once their usefulness and abilities have been stretched. And there will be no compunction on the part of the trainer when replacing the jockey. Suthep represents the investors, and Prayut probably senses it's nearing time for him to dismount.

I believe the owner of the "stable" is the richest stable owner in the world. The fight for his inheritance could be messy. I think the jockeying for position is well under way.