Debate field is set: Trump, Bush in; Santorum, Fiorina out

[JDGRUEN]

Oh -- I forgot there is Jeb Bush ...

Jeb Bush is the Republican to vote for if you're really rather have a Democrat.

Not really. Two centerpieces of his "platform" thinking thus far are:

1. "Phasing out" Medicare

2. Recommending workers put in more hours.

That makes 98% Democrat and 2% -- I don't what ...because Republicans that I read about are not proposing any such thing.

"Recommending workers put in more hours" At what level and for what ? Medicare is not related to working hours....

Regardless -- I have not heard "Recommending workers put in more hours? on any Republican platform

[arjunadawn]

Oh -- I forgot there is Jeb Bush ...

Jeb Bush is the Republican to vote for if you're really rather have a Democrat.

Not really. Two centerpieces of his "platform" thinking thus far are:

1. "Phasing out" Medicare

2. Recommending workers put in more hours.

1. Medicare faces insolvency various guestimated at 20216-2030. By this period the majority if not all baby boomers will be fully loaded into the pyramid scheme. Having a platform that addresses this issue is simply wisdom. Depending on what the plan of action is would indicate whether this too was wise, but it is incumbent upon any leader to address this debacle.

2. Recommending workers put "in more hours" appears intentionally incomplete, perhaps even intentionally misleading. I dare say no candidate is advocating more people working more hours for the same wage. This is suggested in the brief bullet comment upon. Employees are working fewer hours since Obamacare inception. This fact increasingly leaves people with 29hours or less, and thus do not have money to live nor health care coverage.

Perhaps if a few platform objections are noted being valid or presented fully would achieve the objective of the poster- presumably to stain the candidate. In these two examples above, the poster does not achieve this.

https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RS20946.pdf

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/date-for-medicares-insolvency-remains-2030-120490.html

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/213491-medicare-social-security-head-toward-insolvency-at-slower-rate

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/employees-working-fewer-hours-due-to-obamacare-survey/article/2562012

http://www.forbes.com/sites/dandiamond/2015/01/13/obamacares-impact-companies-cut-hours-for-part-time-workers/

Edited August 6, 2015 by arjunadawn

[CMNightRider]

A given, since it was ordered by the Koch brothers.

Wow, where did that come from? Is that something you just made up?

[arjunadawn]

A given, since it was ordered by the Koch brothers.

Wow, where did that come from? Is that something you just made up?

This is the default of emotional politics- firebombing! If you cannot ridicule you otherwise, through repetition, assert a reality that does not exist- Gaslighting.

Many people on these threads impugn the Koch brothers, few, myself included, love to bring Soros into the mix. Why? Because unlike the Koch brothers Soros' money acts a much more immediate and violent end. Soros is wed to State Dept NED and through this vehicle numerous people have died. All spend vast sums of money influencing politics. All could be equally called manipulators. Only one has the condemnation from numerous governments abroad for collapsing money, causing starvation, suffering, war, and revolutions (See Bank of England, Thailand-Malaysia 1997, others). Only Soros seeks to slowly act his will in America upon the remainder of the world through color revolutions.

So, when discussing who influences Republican politics it may be fair to insert suspicions or fears about Koch money but it is a sadly incomplete without context. All three of these men sadly influence politics wildly beyond what a single man/single vote should be able to achieve. Both act on policies others despise. I confess I only wish the Koch brothers were more successful. At least they are not ruining nations as Soros is repeatedly known to have done.

http://thecollegeconservative.com/2012/10/09/george-soros-anti-american-anti-capitalist-pro-obama/

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=977

http://humanevents.com/2011/04/02/top-10-reasons-george-soros-is-dangerous/

While too early to note who pulls the strings in the 2016 debate field one can learn a lot from who pulled the strings in recent successful election cycles.

“The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.”—George Soros

Edited August 6, 2015 by arjunadawn

[arunsakda]

From the clown car of GOP presidential hopefuls the most wacko anointed by the FOX propaganda network.

Trump's barely pretending to even represent himself as a legitimate candidate, instead only relying on self-aggrandizing bloviation.

Bye Bye GOP, it's over.

[Langsuan Man]

Last time around it was the Republican Clown Car

This time it is looking more like a Republican Clown Train

[boomerangutang]

From the clown car of GOP presidential hopefuls the most wacko anointed by the FOX propaganda network.

Trump's barely pretending to even represent himself as a legitimate candidate, instead only relying on self-aggrandizing bloviation. Bye Bye GOP, it's over.

It ain't really over, because they're guaranteed a candidate in the final election. Also, their bazillion dollar war chest and adulation from Fox News, NRA, anti-science, anti-GW'ers, Bible thumping Christians ....guarantees them some votes in November 2016.

Edited August 6, 2015 by boomerangutang

[arunsakda]

GOP voter suppression efforts always fail as people take huge offense to their basic rights being stripped, and always come out in larger numbers. They are done, the conservatives, the reactionaries, the simpleton Fuddie-Duddies, oldsters and bigots. Absurd anachronisms to be deposited in the rubbish pit of history. Pointless and forgotten.

Edited August 6, 2015 by arunsakda

[Scott]

Off-topic posts and replies removed.

[boomerangutang]

Republican politicians are always walking a thin line: They have their stalwart cushion-the-rich basic beliefs, but they know they have to embrace the mainstream (gays, immigrants, poor people, out-of-jobbers) so Reps have to come over to the side of reason - just enough to ensure they get enough votes to get some of them in office. If we were still living in the times of lords and barons, it was be easier being a Republican, because they could just be rich selfish bloated crapheads. But in these pseudo-democratic times, they have to at least pay lip-service to the teeming minions, some of whom may vote for them - if they tippy-toe towards liberalism - just far enough to get those crucial votes - but not an inch farther.