Rimmer Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Pattaya to spend 60 million baht on 200 more CCTV cameras PATTAYA:--Despite lacking funds to repair the nearly 1,600 closed-circuit security cameras it already has, Pattaya will spend another 60 million baht to install 200 more cameras on passenger ferries and at boat terminals on the mainland and Koh Larn. The plan to install cameras on 50 boats was discussed at an Aug. 19 meeting led by Deputy Mayor Ronakit Ekasingh, who said the project was aimed at gaining the trust of boat passengers following a string of sinkings and accidents in recent years. Asia Traffic Technology and Service Co. outlined the initiative’s details, installation plan and efficiency of CCTVs to control and observe vessel traffic to prevent accidents and provide safety for passengers. Four thermal cameras will be installed on the Pattaya side at the lighthouse on a 15-meter pole. Each one will face the sea to cover the entire bay, and each is able to zoom four kilometers with a 24-hour recording time. The idea is to use the cameras to spot bodies in the water in case of an accident. Six similar cameras will be mounted on the Koh Larn side, at Samae Beach, the pier, Koh Larn Temple and at the Koh Larn Shooting Range. These cameras can detect heat signatures up to eight kilometers away. Each of 50 boats will be given two cameras and a radio set. The cameras will monitor both operators and passengers to check, for example, if they are using life jackets, or for capturing the cause of an accident. Information is recorded and sent to a traffic-control center. Project manager Borphit Taveerath said installation can begin in September and would be finished by the start of next year. - See more at: http://www.pattayamail.com/news/pattaya-to-spend-60-million-baht-on-200-more-cctv-cameras-50608#sthash.pXdJ7s8U.dpuf -- Pattaya Mail 2015-08-28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnustedt Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 300,000 baht per camera seems a bit steep! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoePai Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Stupid - repair the broken ones first, or is there more money in buying new ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huahinjoe Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 is it HD at least? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Dummy Cameras??? Probably not but I am sure dummies comes into the equation somewhere.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLang Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 300,000 baht per camera seems a bit steep! 5k per cam. 295k towards the 'Transportation' budget. (a few new S-Classes for brass) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezzra Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 All of which, when you need them they either stopped working coz no gave a toss about them, or producing low quality grainy still shots that can tell if the subject is a man or a women, but most of all, those cameras probably rally only half of the amount and the rest gone you know where... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torpedo1970 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Someone is looking to top up their retirement funds.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulic Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 With only 159 of the almost 1,600 existing cameras functioning why bother installing new ones. They clearly have no ability to maintain equipment so why throw good money after bad. The new cameras will be NFG (not functioning good) in short order, so just put the entire budget in someone's pocket and move on. Just 159 of 1,700 cameras will be functioning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emster23 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Oy vey.... Is it impossible to consider having existing police force walk a beat? Perhaps a little training while they are at it? Are they expecting some sort of Normandy style action in future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred Kubasa Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Oh good -- now we can watch people drowning ! 60 million better spent on life saving equipment ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaurene Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 US$8,500+ per camera to include fitting etc, couple new houses under the table here. No way, they should put it out internationally for tender and for it to go through central government scrutiny. Each tender to be made public. I bet it come with no warranty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracker1 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 "The check on the 1,591 closed-circuit television cameras, however, has become a top priority as both police and Pattaya City Council members previously indicated that as many as 90 percent of the devices are broken. Project manager Borphit Taveerath said installation can begin in September and would be finished by the start of next year." Are these people crazy ? With possibly 1000 camera's not working why not fix them first before buying more that will probably become inoperable very soon ? I also note the 60,000,000 baht could be spent as soon as next week ? Something looks very suspicious about this purchase ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gandalf12 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 (edited) Baht 300,000 a camera!!!!! Ok this is a joke right? I have as part of my job bought thousnads of cameras over the years and none have cost this much each. The closest ones that came to this were the ones in Intrinsically Safe housings and they didnt quite hit this figure. Someone is taking them for a ride, this is a ridiculous price and should be looked into Edited August 28, 2015 by gandalf12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z42 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 2 million dollars for 200 cameras. Absolute piss take. More than 250k per camera is ridiculous. Whoever is rubber stamping this stuff needs sacking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gandalf12 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 is it HD at least? Be hard to buy a camera that isnt H264 or better now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connda Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 How Orwellian! Bravo. You've learned something from the Brits. Now work on putting cops in patrol cars and bringing your country's road death rate down to British standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connda Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 300,000 baht per camera seems a bit steep! Hummm, you don't fully understand the Thai procurement model methinks, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudcrab Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Oy vey.... Is it impossible to consider having existing police force walk a beat? Perhaps a little training while they are at it? Are they expecting some sort of Normandy style action in future? What does "Oy Vey" mean? I have seen it before but I don't recognize it in the languages I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerspace Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 is it HD at least? Be hard to buy a camera that isnt H264 or better now H264 isnt hd.... I could give you a 1px square video in h264! As for everyone calculating cost per camera, thats like saying 1 million baht for 4 wheels is crazy and forgetting the rest of the car that comes with it. 50 boats means at least 50 recording systems too, plus possibly water tight containers for said system, plus maybe mobile networking to relay streams to a central location on land...maybe not but should if they expect video to be useful in an emergency. And those lighthouse cams with heat tracking and 2km zoom...not looked for those before but 300k sounds on the cheap side! Fixing existing cams could be considered a priority and maybe rightly so, but would have 0% impact on todays public priority in "being world leaders in maritime safety, arent we so great...wait what were we doing..." But fully agree this budget is a little crazy and could certainly be better spent in different ways with lower kickbacks...but the pessimists here dont have time for objective analysis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gandalf12 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 is it HD at least? Be hard to buy a camera that isnt H264 or better now H264 isnt hd.... I could give you a 1px square video in h264! As for everyone calculating cost per camera, thats like saying 1 million baht for 4 wheels is crazy and forgetting the rest of the car that comes with it. 50 boats means at least 50 recording systems too, plus possibly water tight containers for said system, plus maybe mobile networking to relay streams to a central location on land...maybe not but should if they expect video to be useful in an emergency. And those lighthouse cams with heat tracking and 2km zoom...not looked for those before but 300k sounds on the cheap side! Fixing existing cams could be considered a priority and maybe rightly so, but would have 0% impact on todays public priority in "being world leaders in maritime safety, arent we so great...wait what were we doing..." But fully agree this budget is a little crazy and could certainly be better spent in different ways with lower kickbacks...but the pessimists here dont have time for objective analysis. H264 is Blutooth standard. More than adequat for a CCTV camera. If they do buy cameras they need to buy dual Colour / B&W cameras with auto changeover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas2 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 (edited) So, one year and 60 million Baht later we will have nearly 1,800 broken closed-circuit cameras in Pattaya. Tax money well spent. Why is it, that in such cases (and with such proposals), there is never one single face to lose? Damn, I confess, I'm obviously still not yet assimilated enough to ask such an unqualified question. Edited August 28, 2015 by Andreas2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony5 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Baht 300,000 a camera!!!!! Ok this is a joke right? I have as part of my job bought thousnads of cameras over the years and none have cost this much each. The closest ones that came to this were the ones in Intrinsically Safe housings and they didnt quite hit this figure. Someone is taking them for a ride, this is a ridiculous price and should be looked into Nobody is taking them for a ride, they themselves are arranging for the ride of their lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony5 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 is it HD at least? Be hard to buy a camera that isnt H264 or better now H264 isnt hd.... I could give you a 1px square video in h264! As for everyone calculating cost per camera, thats like saying 1 million baht for 4 wheels is crazy and forgetting the rest of the car that comes with it. 50 boats means at least 50 recording systems too, plus possibly water tight containers for said system, plus maybe mobile networking to relay streams to a central location on land...maybe not but should if they expect video to be useful in an emergency. And those lighthouse cams with heat tracking and 2km zoom...not looked for those before but 300k sounds on the cheap side! Fixing existing cams could be considered a priority and maybe rightly so, but would have 0% impact on todays public priority in "being world leaders in maritime safety, arent we so great...wait what were we doing..." But fully agree this budget is a little crazy and could certainly be better spent in different ways with lower kickbacks...but the pessimists here dont have time for objective analysis. H264 is Blutooth standard. More than adequat for a CCTV camera. If they do buy cameras they need to buy dual Colour / B&W cameras with auto changeover. H.264 is Bluetooth standard??? Are you sure you bought THOUSANDS of cameras for your job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerspace Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 H.264 is one of many video compression formats that is irrelevant to either resolution or bluetooth...similar lines to mp4 or divx both of which can be transmitted via bluetooth and support any resolution. H.264 can send a single pixel via microwave, uhd via bluetooth or hd via ip-over-carrier-pigeon (plus more) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerbalEd Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 I'm ever amazed at the massive incompetence of Thai police and government officials. Had the CCTV cameras been working properly at the recent bombing site, the culprit may well have been identified by now ... and maybe even arrested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestro Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 What does "Oy Vey" mean? I have seen it before but I don't recognize it in the languages I know. Google is your friend. I looked it up because I was wondering myself. "Ayah" is my equivalent exclamation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keesters Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Just throwing taxpayers money into the wind. But you can guess who's catching it can't you. Time for the idiots in City hall to be replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cake Monster Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Of course the cost is high @ 300K baht/ camera. Its all about greasy palms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLSEEINGEYE Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 even at 50% of this going to corruption, that still seems waaaaay too high of a price. That is $10,000 USD per camera. Obscene!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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