Yingluck calls for practical and acceptable charter

[Baerboxer]

Thailand's first female PM should be justifiably proud and continues to display calmness and dignity amidst the 'noise' of the baying elite pack and, moreover, she is loved by millions of Thais

What exactly has she to be proud of?

Being a puppet proxy for her criminal brother?

Being removed by a court for abusing her power?

Being caught lying on many occasions?

Being caught laughing after pretending to cry when giving a speech?

Being out of the country more than any other PM?

Being absent from parliament more than any other PM?

Being unable to debate with other political leaders?

Who says she's loved by millions? Maybe your wishful thinking. She's loved as long as brother's money keeps flowing.

Do you really still believe she was actually the PM or even the DM?

It must be nice living in Shinaworld as opposed to reality.

[JAG]

and who is she to "come up" with anything relevant?

The last person that the Thai electorate decided should be prime minister.

and the last prime minister to be removed by a court for abusing power.

The electorate didn't decide btw. She was chosen as PM by the political party owned by her brother.

Was there an election, held under the rules then in place, which her party won?

Yes

Was it recognised internationally and domestically as free and fair?

Yes

Was she the universally recognised candidate for prime minister?

Yes.

So she was elected.

And if you think that her removal was the result of an impartial judicial decision, unaffected by political pressure or any other outside pressures or considerations then you are simply naive.

[sweatalot]

Why are members of this corrupt criminal family still mentioned in the public?

[Baerboxer]

and who is she to "come up" with anything relevant?

The last person that the Thai electorate decided should be prime minister.

and the last prime minister to be removed by a court for abusing power.

The electorate didn't decide btw. She was chosen as PM by the political party owned by her brother.

Was there an election, held under the rules then in place, which her party won?

Yes

Was it recognised internationally and domestically as free and fair?

Yes

Was she the universally recognised candidate for prime minister?

Yes.

So she was elected.

And if you think that her removal was the result of an impartial judicial decision, unaffected by political pressure or any other outside pressures or considerations then you are simply naive.

She was the number one party list candidate. And her party, having received the largest minority vote, and forming the government elected her PM. The PM is elected by MP's not the electorate. There has been much recent discussion about changing to a directly elected PM. You must have missed all that.

As to your last statement - cobblers. She didn't bother to follow the rules, as often the case for her and her family, when shuffling people to get a trusted relative into a key position. They always seem to think they're above all rules, procedures and laws they don't like or can't be bothered with. If caught they hope bribery, threats or intimidation can resolve things.

She broke the rules, got caught and paid the price. Like so many of her relations.

Or do you think it's o k for a PM to ignore all the rules and make things up as they go along?

Edited September 14, 2015 by Baerboxer

[zaphod reborn]

Poor former PM Yingluck - your time is over. Perhaps you should take that journey to the Gray Havens, and have a good life of mushroom farming. And, to show my impartiality, the same goes for Abhisit and Suthep. I hope these clowns realize that, like the CDC, Thailand needs new faces in politics - and not brainless stooges who receive a farcical education from Shinawatra University.

[GeckosDiving]

and who is she to "come up" with anything relevant?

The last person that the Thai electorate decided should be prime minister.

and the last prime minister to be removed by a court for abusing power.

The electorate didn't decide btw. She was chosen as PM by the political party owned by her brother.

Was there an election, held under the rules then in place, which her party won?

Yes

Was it recognised internationally and domestically as free and fair?

Yes

Was she the universally recognised candidate for prime minister?

Yes.

So she was elected.

And if you think that her removal was the result of an impartial judicial decision, unaffected by political pressure or any other outside pressures or considerations then you are simply naive.

[chainarong]

Besides the negative criticism so far here on TV Forum , former Prime Minister Yingluck is just as entitled to put forward her and those views by her P.T. Party as anybody else and if the critic' s of the former P.M. here in the Forum want to ,through their Thai partners or friends , they can offer up constructive views also , for a better constitution for Thailand.

A cynic might suggest that many here believe she has no right to say anything, as she does not have a willy!

Is that the problem or are they wearing blinkers in the last at happy valley

[sjaak327]

and who is she to "come up" with anything relevant?

The last person that the Thai electorate decided should be prime minister.

and the last prime minister to be removed by a court for abusing power.

The electorate didn't decide btw. She was chosen as PM by the political party owned by her brother.

The very same party that subsequently gained 265 seats out of 500 with her as the number one on the party list. JAG is quite right. The current PM on the other hand was chosen by the NLA, whose members in turn were appointed by.. the PM and his NCPO buddies.

[cookee68]

Just like your brother, haven't you been told that you are no longer involved in politics, your time has come and gone.

[Baerboxer]

and who is she to "come up" with anything relevant?

The last person that the Thai electorate decided should be prime minister.

and the last prime minister to be removed by a court for abusing power.

The electorate didn't decide btw. She was chosen as PM by the political party owned by her brother.

The very same party that subsequently gained 265 seats out of 500 with her as the number one on the party list. JAG is quite right. The current PM on the other hand was chosen by the NLA, whose members in turn were appointed by.. the PM and his NCPO buddies.

Nobody disputes that PTP were elected. But Yingluck, or any PM for that matter is not chosen by the electorate but by MP's.

Yingluck was the number 1 party list candidate for PTP so no one voted for her as an individual but voted for the party in the expectation she would be chosen if they won. The did and she was. That was a reasonable expectation seeing as her brother own that political party. At no time was she the PTP leader btw.

Ignoring factual detail is a habit of those who support the Shins. Like ignoring the fact she was removed by a court for abuse of power; or trying to pretend that and all other charges against her and her family are all political.

[sjaak327]

The very same party that subsequently gained 265 seats out of 500 with her as the number one on the party list. JAG is quite right. The current PM on the other hand was chosen by the NLA, whose members in turn were appointed by.. the PM and his NCPO buddies.

Nobody disputes that PTP were elected. But Yingluck, or any PM for that matter is not chosen by the electorate but by MP's.

Yingluck was the number 1 party list candidate for PTP so no one voted for her as an individual but voted for the party in the expectation she would be chosen if they won. The did and she was. That was a reasonable expectation seeing as her brother own that political party. At no time was she the PTP leader btw.

Ignoring factual detail is a habit of those who support the Shins. Like ignoring the fact she was removed by a court for abuse of power; or trying to pretend that and all other charges against her and her family are all political.

It has nothing to do with ignorning factual detail, the details are that she received 299 votes to become the PM of Thailand, the people that voted for her, were either voted in via the constituency or via the party list, it doesn't get any more direct than that to be honest, and was the perferred system of the day.

Do you honestly believe that she wouldn't have become the PM IF the electorate would have to cast a third vote for the PM directly ?

In any case, the remark "The last person that the Thai electorate decided should be prime minister." is pretty factual, if the thai electorate wanted another person as PM, they would not have voted for PT in the numbers they did.

And I do not support the Shinawatras at all, but get a bit sick and tired of people trying to explain away their electoral success with irrelevant remarks, certainly in line with the current bunch of "leaders" who have not received any electoral support at all.

Edited September 14, 2015 by sjaak327

[sjaak327]

One wonders whether or not the slaggers-off would be prepared to wager any of their hard-earned against another Shinawatra being PM after the next election/coup/civil war.

I doubt there'll be many. Talk's cheap and it's easy to be all angry and outraged and stuff from the comfort of as bar-stool. Drink up lads...

They way things are going, that would be largely irrelevant anyway. It will be a Shinawatra PM with little or no power, you can trust the drafters of the constitution to Ensure that one. "Democracy Thai Style"..

[Jon Wetherall]

Just like your brother, haven't you been told that you are no longer involved in politics, your time has come and gone.

I expect she's waiting for the electorate to tell her that.

Or not.

That's the usual way in civilised countries.

Edited September 14, 2015 by Jon Wetherall

[LannaGuy]

Thailand's first female PM should be justifiably proud and continues to display calmness and dignity amidst the 'noise' of the baying elite pack and, moreover, she is loved by millions of Thais

What exactly has she to be proud of?

Being a puppet proxy for her criminal brother?

Being removed by a court for abusing her power?

Being caught lying on many occasions?

Being caught laughing after pretending to cry when giving a speech?

Being out of the country more than any other PM?

Being absent from parliament more than any other PM?

Being unable to debate with other political leaders?

Who says she's loved by millions? Maybe your wishful thinking. She's loved as long as brother's money keeps flowing.

Do you really still believe she was actually the PM or even the DM?

It must be nice living in Shinaworld as opposed to reality.

foolish post

being voted by the electorate and if you don't fear she is loved by millions then support ELECTIONS but, of course, you DO fear this above all else and so you loudly support a Military Junta who's whole edifice is imposed by guns

[metisdead]

Troll baiting posts have been removed.

[mikemac]

Besides the negative criticism so far here on TV Forum , former Prime Minister Yingluck is just as entitled to put forward her and those views by her P.T. Party as anybody else and if the critic' s of the former P.M. here in the Forum want to ,through their Thai partners or friends , they can offer up constructive views also , for a better constitution for Thailand.

I have already submitted my idea of a better constitution for Thailand.

One that does not include anything to do with the word "amnesty" for a start.

That should make the Military think twice about taking over, and crooked politicians won't be forgiven for their sins, ever.

Oh, and one that cannot be rewritten and altered like a bloody grocery shopping list.

[EnglishJohn]

and who is she to "come up" with anything relevant?

The last person that the Thai electorate decided should be prime minister.

Wrong.

You people elected Pheu-Thai.

Thaksin decided she would be prime minister. Nobody else got a say in the matter. Just as you didn't get a say in who leads the red-shirts.

This is your 'democracy'.

[EnglishJohn]

Just like your brother, haven't you been told that you are no longer involved in politics, your time has come and gone.

I expect she's waiting for the electorate to tell her that.

Or not.

That's the usual way in civilised countries.

I think you will find that the law has told her that. She broke it (or rather sat filing her nails while her brother broke it and she has to carry the can).

That's the usual way in civilised countries for crooked politicians.

[rubl]

Is 'practical' the same as democratic and just ?

[LannaGuy]

and who is she to "come up" with anything relevant?

The last person that the Thai electorate decided should be prime minister.

Wrong.

You people elected Pheu-Thai.

Thaksin decided she would be prime minister. Nobody else got a say in the matter. Just as you didn't get a say in who leads the red-shirts.

This is your 'democracy'.

Wrong

"You people" means the Thai people? who you obviously despise

what is this "your democracy" you talk about? you means the one internationally recognized as producing fair elections? elections you don't like the result of? you are just a hater and your heart is black

[LannaGuy]

Just like your brother, haven't you been told that you are no longer involved in politics, your time has come and gone.

I expect she's waiting for the electorate to tell her that.

Or not.

That's the usual way in civilised countries.

I think you will find that the law has told her that. She broke it (or rather sat filing her nails while her brother broke it and she has to carry the can).

That's the usual way in civilised countries for crooked politicians.

what "crooked politicians"? evidence? links? has she been arrested? maybe for some criminal act??? "crooked" means criminal

you are a disgrace

[Jimmpy]

Thought she was in jail and on trial for corruption.

"What;s up with that" !!!????

[GeckosDiving]

Just like your brother, haven't you been told that you are no longer involved in politics, your time has come and gone.

I expect she's waiting for the electorate to tell her that.

Or not.

That's the usual way in civilised countries.

I think you will find that the law has told her that. She broke it (or rather sat filing her nails while her brother broke it and she has to carry the can).

That's the usual way in civilised countries for crooked politicians.

what "crooked politicians"? evidence? links? has she been arrested? maybe for some criminal act??? "crooked" means criminal

you are a disgrace

[Squeegee]

[Baerboxer]

The very same party that subsequently gained 265 seats out of 500 with her as the number one on the party list. JAG is quite right. The current PM on the other hand was chosen by the NLA, whose members in turn were appointed by.. the PM and his NCPO buddies.

Nobody disputes that PTP were elected. But Yingluck, or any PM for that matter is not chosen by the electorate but by MP's.

Yingluck was the number 1 party list candidate for PTP so no one voted for her as an individual but voted for the party in the expectation she would be chosen if they won. The did and she was. That was a reasonable expectation seeing as her brother own that political party. At no time was she the PTP leader btw.

Ignoring factual detail is a habit of those who support the Shins. Like ignoring the fact she was removed by a court for abuse of power; or trying to pretend that and all other charges against her and her family are all political.

It has nothing to do with ignorning factual detail, the details are that she received 299 votes to become the PM of Thailand, the people that voted for her, were either voted in via the constituency or via the party list, it doesn't get any more direct than that to be honest, and was the perferred system of the day.

Do you honestly believe that she wouldn't have become the PM IF the electorate would have to cast a third vote for the PM directly ?

In any case, the remark "The last person that the Thai electorate decided should be prime minister." is pretty factual, if the thai electorate wanted another person as PM, they would not have voted for PT in the numbers they did.

And I do not support the Shinawatras at all, but get a bit sick and tired of people trying to explain away their electoral success with irrelevant remarks, certainly in line with the current bunch of "leaders" who have not received any electoral support at all.

Finally you agree - she was voted by her parties MP's on instructions from their paymaster, her brother.

I agreed she was the last person elected PM, through the Thai election and PM selection process.

She was also the last PM removed by a court for abuse of power.

Of course you don't support the Shins. None of those of post in their defense ever do.

[Baerboxer]

Just like your brother, haven't you been told that you are no longer involved in politics, your time has come and gone.

I expect she's waiting for the electorate to tell her that.

Or not.

That's the usual way in civilised countries.

Civilized countries - are they ones where husband's can kick their wives up the jacksie and take them in hand for expressing their views?

Like you suggested on another recent thread?

Interesting you support a lady whose a puppet for the political side you favor, but advocate violence against one who has a different view,

Shin hypocrisy as usual.

[Baerboxer]

Thailand's first female PM should be justifiably proud and continues to display calmness and dignity amidst the 'noise' of the baying elite pack and, moreover, she is loved by millions of Thais

What exactly has she to be proud of?

Being a puppet proxy for her criminal brother?

Being removed by a court for abusing her power?

Being caught lying on many occasions?

Being caught laughing after pretending to cry when giving a speech?

Being out of the country more than any other PM?

Being absent from parliament more than any other PM?

Being unable to debate with other political leaders?

Who says she's loved by millions? Maybe your wishful thinking. She's loved as long as brother's money keeps flowing.

Do you really still believe she was actually the PM or even the DM?

It must be nice living in Shinaworld as opposed to reality.

foolish post

being voted by the electorate and if you don't fear she is loved by millions then support ELECTIONS but, of course, you DO fear this above all else and so you loudly support a Military Junta who's whole edifice is imposed by guns

Calling posters foolish is against forum rules. Ah, but as a Shin supporter you won't bother with rules, or even common courtesy will you. Those that resort to such tactics simply demonstrate their inability to debate in an adult fashion.

I can understand that. Must be hard to try and present how Yingluck could possibly feel proud of her time in office; or even defend her position as the "real" PM.

But do try. Come on, tell us all what she should be proud of. And confirm, that you really do believe she was the PM, made all her own decisions and was not simply Thaksin's little puppet.

I don't think she's loved by millions - I think many who put their faith in her were bitterly disappointed and many are sick of the Shin lies and corruption.

I don't support the Junta. But nor do I accept the blatant nonsense trotted out by the Shin PR machine.

So come on then - please answer

1. Was Yingluck really the PM and in total control?
2. What can she be proud of?
3. Is Thaksin totally innocent and never ever done anything wrong, as he claimed on CNN?

[Baerboxer]

Just like your brother, haven't you been told that you are no longer involved in politics, your time has come and gone.

I expect she's waiting for the electorate to tell her that.

Or not.

That's the usual way in civilised countries.

I think you will find that the law has told her that. She broke it (or rather sat filing her nails while her brother broke it and she has to carry the can).

That's the usual way in civilised countries for crooked politicians.

what "crooked politicians"? evidence? links? has she been arrested? maybe for some criminal act??? "crooked" means criminal

you are a disgrace

crook·ed (kro͝ok′ĭd)

adj.

1. Having or marked by bends, curves, or angles.

2. At an irregular or improper angle; askew: Your necktie is crooked.

3. Informal Dishonest or unscrupulous; fraudulent.

crook′ed·ly adv.

crook′ed·ness n.

American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2011 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.

crooked (ˈkrʊkɪd)

adj

1. bent, angled or winding

2. set at an angle; not straight

3. deformed or contorted

4. dishonest or illegal

5. crooked on (also krʊkt) Austral hostile or averse to

ˈcrookedly adv ˈcrookedness n

You really do seem to have a problem with word definitions.

You seem to think your in some sort of position to judge others - foolish, a disgrace, or comment on their posts rather than actually answering them. Seems your a bit rattled - things not going the Shin way? Looking a bit grim for Yingluck at the first day of her court appearance? Amnesty for the boss slipping away?

Perhaps if Thaksin came back and faced those 15 + court cases we might get to see some evidence of corruption. Like in the recent Krungthai Bank case where he's number 1 defendant?

[jayboy]

and who is she to "come up" with anything relevant?

The last person that the Thai electorate decided should be prime minister.

and the last prime minister to be removed by a court for abusing power.

The electorate didn't decide btw. She was chosen as PM by the political party owned by her brother.

The very same party that subsequently gained 265 seats out of 500 with her as the number one on the party list. JAG is quite right. The current PM on the other hand was chosen by the NLA, whose members in turn were appointed by.. the PM and his NCPO buddies.

Nobody disputes that PTP were elected. But Yingluck, or any PM for that matter is not chosen by the electorate but by MP's.

Yingluck was the number 1 party list candidate for PTP so no one voted for her as an individual but voted for the party in the expectation she would be chosen if they won. The did and she was. That was a reasonable expectation seeing as her brother own that political party. At no time was she the PTP leader btw.

Ignoring factual detail is a habit of those who support the Shins. Like ignoring the fact she was removed by a court for abuse of power; or trying to pretend that and all other charges against her and her family are all political.

If the Thai people were not aware that Yingluck was leader of the PTP at the time of the general election, then your comments are well founded.

If the Thai people were aware of her position and still nevertheless gave her and her party a commanding victory then your comments are nonsense.

I make no comment save to suggest members decide which of the two positions set out above is correct.

[MaiChai]

Did she think that one up all by herself?