AndyFTH Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 I'm 27yo and I'm self-employee (working at the internet). I spent last 3 years in Thailand on Tourist Visa (double entry from Laos). But last time when I was aplying for visa I was told, that I'm abusing tourist visa system, which can lead to visa refusal in the future. Now I'm back in Europe and I'm looking for a possibility, how to go back to Thailand. Is there any better way (type of visa), how to stay in Thailand for longer period of time at my age? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoorSucker Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 http://www.thailandelite.com/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oncearugge Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Try obtaining a job, appropriate visa and a work permit. Or marry the G/F and apply for an extension of stay based on marriage with 400.000 in a Thai Bank. Then there is the Thai Elite Visa (link above). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elviajero Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 The elite visa which costs 500,000 thb for 5 years. You shouldn't have a problem getting another tourist visa from your home country or another country neighbouring Thailand. You won't be refused entry if holding a TR. Set up a company so you can have a non 'B' visa and WP. There are companies that will, for a fee, employ you and organise a work permit. (sorry I don't know much about them other than they are expensive) Unfortunately Thailand doesn't want people your age living and working here illegally. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ace of Pop Posted October 12, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted October 12, 2015 The elite visa which costs 500,000 thb for 5 years. You shouldn't have a problem getting another tourist visa from your home country or another country neighbouring Thailand. You won't be refused entry if holding a TR. Set up a company so you can have a non 'B' visa and WP. There are companies that will, for a fee, employ you and organise a work permit. (sorry I don't know much about them other than they are expensive) Unfortunately Thailand doesn't want people your age living and working here illegally. Dont You mean FORTUNATELY..?. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thai006 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 make baby in thailand and got same me unlimited non o visa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post oncearugge Posted October 12, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted October 12, 2015 (edited) The elite visa which costs 500,000 thb for 5 years. You shouldn't have a problem getting another tourist visa from your home country or another country neighbouring Thailand. You won't be refused entry if holding a TR. Set up a company so you can have a non 'B' visa and WP. There are companies that will, for a fee, employ you and organise a work permit. (sorry I don't know much about them other than they are expensive) Unfortunately Thailand doesn't want people your age living and working here illegally. You misunderstand! The "digital nomads" live in 5* hotels , use the "gratis" Wi FI and pay tax on their huge incomes! They also contribute to the economy of the local mobile noodle stall ! Edited October 12, 2015 by oncearugge 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post cornishcarlos Posted October 12, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted October 12, 2015 The elite visa which costs 500,000 thb for 5 years. You shouldn't have a problem getting another tourist visa from your home country or another country neighbouring Thailand. You won't be refused entry if holding a TR. Set up a company so you can have a non 'B' visa and WP. There are companies that will, for a fee, employ you and organise a work permit. (sorry I don't know much about them other than they are expensive) Unfortunately Thailand doesn't want people your age living and working here illegally. Dont You mean FORTUNATELY..?. Shut up grumpy pants 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HampiK Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Another Option, which is not mention yet is: - Investement Visa (10 Million baht investement which, as far i understand could be property (condo) or bank assets. Unfortunatelly there aren't many information on this kind of visa.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oncearugge Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Another Option, which is not mention yet is: - Investement Visa (10 Million baht investement which, as far i understand could be property (condo) or bank assets. Unfortunatelly there aren't many information on this kind of visa.. Information is easily available to those wealthy enough to seek it ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 The elite visa which costs 500,000 thb for 5 years. You shouldn't have a problem getting another tourist visa from your home country or another country neighbouring Thailand. You won't be refused entry if holding a TR. Set up a company so you can have a non 'B' visa and WP. There are companies that will, for a fee, employ you and organise a work permit. (sorry I don't know much about them other than they are expensive) Unfortunately Thailand doesn't want people your age living and working here illegally. Dont You mean FORTUNATELY..?. Shut up grumpy pants NO.... i get Grumpy and Hungry and its caused by Your Cornish Oggie. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedtripler Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Another Option, which is not mention yet is: - Investement Visa (10 Million baht investement which, as far i understand could be property (condo) or bank assets. Unfortunatelly there aren't many information on this kind of visa.. Someone said just yesterday that a condo isn't classed as an "investment" so you would need to sink 10 million into something else as well as buy a condo to qualify... Seems a bit expensive just to get a visa... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swissie Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 The elite visa which costs 500,000 thb for 5 years. You shouldn't have a problem getting another tourist visa from your home country or another country neighbouring Thailand. You won't be refused entry if holding a TR. Set up a company so you can have a non 'B' visa and WP. There are companies that will, for a fee, employ you and organise a work permit. (sorry I don't know much about them other than they are expensive) Unfortunately Thailand doesn't want people your age living and working here illegally. Unfortunately Thailand doesn't want people your age living and working here illegally. I hope the OP has fully understood the meaning of this sentence. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - This very morning (and this is not a joke), a fellow Farang, caught by working without a work-permit, had to settle the matter with "Local Authorities". This "settlement" cost him Bht 350.000. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elviajero Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Another Option, which is not mention yet is: - Investement Visa (10 Million baht investement which, as far i understand could be property (condo) or bank assets. Unfortunatelly there aren't many information on this kind of visa.. Someone said just yesterday that a condo isn't classed as an "investment" so you would need to sink 10 million into something else as well as buy a condo to qualify... Seems a bit expensive just to get a visa... I'm pretty sure that condo's qualify. IMO it's not a good idea to do it just to get the visa, but if someone has decided to live and buy here they can get a visa/extension of stay off the back of it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedtripler Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Another Option, which is not mention yet is: - Investement Visa (10 Million baht investement which, as far i understand could be property (condo) or bank assets. Unfortunatelly there aren't many information on this kind of visa.. Someone said just yesterday that a condo isn't classed as an "investment" so you would need to sink 10 million into something else as well as buy a condo to qualify... Seems a bit expensive just to get a visa... I'm pretty sure that condo's qualify.IMO it's not a good idea to do it just to get the visa, but if someone has decided to live and buy here they can get a visa/extension of stay off the back of it. Ownership of property alone doesn't equal permission to live in it I don't know anyone who ever got a visa for owning a condo, do you? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elviajero Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Another Option, which is not mention yet is: - Investement Visa (10 Million baht investement which, as far i understand could be property (condo) or bank assets. Unfortunatelly there aren't many information on this kind of visa.. Someone said just yesterday that a condo isn't classed as an "investment" so you would need to sink 10 million into something else as well as buy a condo to qualify... Seems a bit expensive just to get a visa... I'm pretty sure that condo's qualify.IMO it's not a good idea to do it just to get the visa, but if someone has decided to live and buy here they can get a visa/extension of stay off the back of it. Ownership of property alone doesn't equal permission to live in it I don't know anyone who ever got a visa for owning a condo, do you? Sorry, but ownership does give the right to live in a property. It doesn't, however, give the right to stay in the country without permission. No I don't. I think most of these people would qualify for extensions of stay for other reasons and probably don't need to tie their stay to their investments. But I can see it working for those that don't qualify for retirement extensions etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedtripler Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Another Option, which is not mention yet is: - Investement Visa (10 Million baht investement which, as far i understand could be property (condo) or bank assets. Unfortunatelly there aren't many information on this kind of visa.. Someone said just yesterday that a condo isn't classed as an "investment" so you would need to sink 10 million into something else as well as buy a condo to qualify... Seems a bit expensive just to get a visa... I'm pretty sure that condo's qualify.IMO it's not a good idea to do it just to get the visa, but if someone has decided to live and buy here they can get a visa/extension of stay off the back of it. Ownership of property alone doesn't equal permission to live in it I don't know anyone who ever got a visa for owning a condo, do you? Sorry, but ownership does give the right to live in a property. It doesn't, however, give the right to stay in the country without permission. No I don't. I think most of these people would qualify for extensions of stay for other reasons and probably don't need to tie their stay to their investments. But I can see it working for those that don't qualify for retirement extensions etc. How would you live in your condo without permission to stay in Thailand? It makes no sense unless you have another permit to be here like marriage or work etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puukao Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 You should be working for the MAN for the next 30-years of your life.......retirement???? what about a medical fund???? emergency fund???? kid's college fund??? alimony fund??? and i better see work permit for legal working!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wow64 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Baby = Visa You only need 9 months worth of visa runs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oncearugge Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 (edited) Baby = Visa You only need 9 months worth of visa runs. Baby does NoT equal visa/extension of stay unless the legal father with sole custody or married to the Thai mother. Then there is the need to have 400,000 Baht in a Thai Bank! Edited October 12, 2015 by oncearugge 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jspill Posted October 12, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted October 12, 2015 (edited) Certain members of staff in Thai consulates are unfriendly, certain countries especially (e.g. Singapore). Laos is usually the friendliest, I'm surprised you were told that there. Or was it at the border on the way back in? Anyway I'd just chalk it up to that member of staff having a bad day, there's no official limit yet to back to back tourist visas one can obtain from Laos. Here's all the Thaivisa moderators confirming that - http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/788273-is-there-any-limit-on-back-to-back-tourist-visas/ After 4 or so in a row they ask for proof of funds to show you're not working in the country at some cash in hand job, if you just show proof of funds coming in from abroad you're fine. Full details on that - http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/715011-red-stamp-in-vientiane-advice-needed/ Or you can 'break the chain' of back to back visas by going to Savannakhet, in your position I'd do that. Get a visa from the Thai consulate in your home country first though, you should have zero issues. Renewing your passport for a fresh one also helps, all those one page tourist visa stickers fill it up fast anyway. You get a number of months of 'time left' added on if it's not expired yet, e.g. 9 months for UK passports. Anyway yeah I'd ignore that one off hand comment from one member of staff, get a triple entry visa in my home country, fly in, then go for double entries in Savannakhet after that point. If there was a defined 'abuse' point for tourist visas it hasn't been written into law yet, I don't feel guilty about staying here on tourist visas out of some imagined notion of 'abuse' - it that existed why isn't it clearly stated on every consulate website. Some have stayed for over a decade on tourist visas. There's also the Thailand Elite program which has stood the test of time and is a good option if you're sure you'll be here 5 years, you'll recoup most of the costs by not needing to do border runs. With regards to working you can work online, nothing in the Alien Labor act says it's illegal to freelance remotely online, have a blog, or anything like that. It's not taking jobs away from Thais. That's what I do, I'm also in my 20s and have been here 6 years, I know many other digital nomads in their 20-30s who live here long term too. There's never been an arrest for working online in Thailand, or anywhere in the world, the above scaremongering about being arrested leaves out the fact it was work with a physical presence (tour guide, bartender etc.) Just don't do that and it's fine. Edited October 12, 2015 by jspill 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rwdrwdrwd Posted October 12, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted October 12, 2015 (edited) I moved here around 10 years ago in my mid twenties, like yourself, and derive income from outside of Thailand. These are your options in terms of long term visa: 1 - Thai Elite 2 - Get married (probably best to have someone you actually want to get married to) - Non O 3 - Use one of the umbrella companies, like iglu.in.th - Non B 4 - Set up a Thai business, you don't need to run everything through it, just 50k or so - Non B 5 - Take up a course and actually attend - Non Imm ED 6 - Use one of the new multiple tourist visas (probably not going to work long term though) Thai Elite is probably the simplest of all, and imo would work out the cheapest over 5 years, when you factor in the time cost of dealing with the bureaucracy for all of the others. All except 3 or 4 would leave open the possibility of being construed by the relevant authorities to be 'working in Thailand' without a permit, though as jspil points out, you would be the first person to be prosecuted for doing so that I am aware of, either in Thailand or abroad. There is also an investment visa option, but I can't offer you info on that, I stick to the rule 'only bring in to Thailand what you need in Thailand'. Edited October 12, 2015 by rwdrwdrwd 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post smokie36 Posted October 12, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted October 12, 2015 The elite visa which costs 500,000 thb for 5 years. You shouldn't have a problem getting another tourist visa from your home country or another country neighbouring Thailand. You won't be refused entry if holding a TR. Set up a company so you can have a non 'B' visa and WP. There are companies that will, for a fee, employ you and organise a work permit. (sorry I don't know much about them other than they are expensive) Unfortunately Thailand doesn't want people your age living and working here illegally. Unfortunately Thailand doesn't want people your age living and working here illegally. I hope the OP has fully understood the meaning of this sentence. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - This very morning (and this is not a joke), a fellow Farang, caught by working without a work-permit, had to settle the matter with "Local Authorities". This "settlement" cost him Bht 350.000. Cheers. The irony of course is it is exactly the type of visa abuse and illegal working that caused a clampdown on easy visas in Thailand in the first place. Now the next generation are looking at how to scam the system.....on and on it goes..... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rwdrwdrwd Posted October 12, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted October 12, 2015 (edited) No, it's simply not. That would be people working illegally dealing with customers in Thailand, such as tour guides. People that directly take work from Thai nationals. If people earning income online were the target, they would be targeted. Given that the income is not sourced in Thailand, and removing people operating this manner can only possibly lead to a net loss in revenue for Thailand, why would they be a target? Edited October 12, 2015 by rwdrwdrwd 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gk10002000 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 No, it's simply not. That would be people working illegally dealing with customers in Thailand, such as tour guides. People that directly take work from Thai nationals. If people earning income online were the target, they would be targeted. Given that the income is not sourced in Thailand, and removing people operating this manner can only possibly lead to a net loss in revenue for Thailand, why would they be a target? I agree. If the person is working online or gets income from outside of Thailand, then I would like to think that somebody such as them that brings in money to the country, rents or owns a condo, spends money to live, food, shopping, entertainment, etc. should within reason be able to stay. Having said that, I also understand and respect that countries have immigration policies. That is their right, and I can understand if Thailand wanted to limit the number of foreigners that basically are moving to and living in Thailand. Staying long long time on tourist visas amounts to living in the country and that was never the intent of a tourist visa. Thailand does have provisions for long stays and they have been mentioned in other posts. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Another Option, which is not mention yet is: - Investement Visa (10 Million baht investement which, as far i understand could be property (condo) or bank assets. Unfortunatelly there aren't many information on this kind of visa.. Someone said just yesterday that a condo isn't classed as an "investment" so you would need to sink 10 million into something else as well as buy a condo to qualify... Seems a bit expensive just to get a visa... Well, this idea may cover that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jossthaifarang Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Get a job!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rwdrwdrwd Posted October 13, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted October 13, 2015 (edited) Yeah cos the way to be successful these days is definitely to be employed by someone else... Much more money in not being an employee these days. Edited October 13, 2015 by rwdrwdrwd 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKKSnowBird Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 (edited) If you got lots of cash, there is always an option. Where is the op? I guess he was looking for the secret cheap option. Edited October 13, 2015 by BKKSnowBird 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKKSnowBird Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 I find it hard to believe that someone who lived in the country for 3 years on tourist visas does not already know their options. Seems to be a popular topic in the visa run vans I found myself in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.png.3b3332cc2256ad0edbc2fe9404feeef0.png)
Recommended Posts