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British grandfather Karl Andree facing 360 lashes in Saudi Arabia for making wine
By Barney Henderson

74-year-old Briton's family believe the punishment will kill him as they appeal to David Cameron for help

LONDON: -- A British grandfather is facing a punishment of 360 lashes in Saudi Arabia for making home-made wine.


Karl Andree, 74, was arrested in August last year when police found bottles of wine in his car.

He has already served 12 months in Jeddah's brutal Briman Prison, which has a reputation for torture and inhuman conditions.

Mr Andree, who worked as an oil executive in the country, is now facing a public flogging of 350 lashes – a punishment his family fear could kill him as he is still weak from battles with cancer.

His three children Hugh, 46, Kirsten, 45, and Simon, 33, on Monday urged David Cameron to intervene before authorities carry out the sentence.

Full story: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11927812/British-grandfather-facing-350-lashes-in-Saudi-Arabia-for-making-wine.html

-- The Telegraph 2015-10-13

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This man has brought this problem onto his own head.

Allegedly he has lived/worked in Saudi for 25 years so he should know what the "rules" are.

The Saudis are remarkably tolerant of Western lifestyles as long as it is kept within the gated compounds where most expats live.

By transporting alcohol he knowingly broke Saudi Law.

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I spent 13 years in Saudi Arabia. Five as a adviser to the Saudi Militart, and eight with ARAMCO. Even before going to Saudi we were told what the law was. What goes on within in the wall is OK, just long as you involve NO Saudi. If the Saudi get pickep up you will go to jail. If you make and distribute and alcoholic beverage, the punishment is very strict, This person was sentensed to 360 lashes, These lashed are doled out at 10 lashes a month, so he will salso have 3 years in prison.

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Note to self: Respect culture and rules while a guest in another country. wub.png

If it is still: You must sign on the visa that there is the death penalty on drugs and alcohol is a drug.

Thailand/Singapore/Malaysia/Indonesia is also harsh on harmless drugs.

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He play he loose

It's very pity but alcohol is a very sensitive issue for Saudi cleric. Zero tolerance.

If this britain would drink alcohol why did you not do it like Saudi: cross the bridge of shame between Saudi Arabia and bahrain

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Note to self: Respect culture and rules while a guest in another country. wub.png

If it is still: You must sign on the visa that there is the death penalty on drugs and alcohol is a drug.

Thailand/Singapore/Malaysia/Indonesia is also harsh on harmless drugs.

Your last line does not make sense. Guess your opinion of harshness for so called harmless drugs is a lot different to most civilised people.

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Can't stand the place, imagine living there all those years ??? definetly not for me..

i like my freedom too much, my life , my choices, in a country where i can do what i want (within reason of course).

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Recon its only fair to respect their Rules. We must help them out by Thrashing every Saudi found pissed up at Airports. Not forgetting their Drunk Lambo Boy racers .

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Caught red handed sell or supply drugs. Naughty naughty.

He has already served 12 months in Jeddah's brutal Briman Prison...I assume for this offence.

Could be worse could always chop his head off.

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Thats the one country I wouldnt mind ISIS invading.................

You would be willing to give ISIS access to the fortunes of the Saudi oil fields because some guy screwed up and got caught carrying wine in his car?

He's the one that made the wine, he's the one that was drinking it and he's the one that got caught up in it.

My guess is he will serve some jail time and then be deported PNG to a life of drinking his wine legally.

I would be surprised if he ever receives one lash.

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Was probably making a tidy killing selling bootleg hooch to locals and those outside the Aramco walls.

And now he's paying the price.

Human greed, gets people into all sorts of trouble.

Som num na.

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This man has brought this problem onto his own head.

Allegedly he has lived/worked in Saudi for 25 years so he should know what the "rules" are.

The Saudis are remarkably tolerant of Western lifestyles as long as it is kept within the gated compounds where most expats live.

By transporting alcohol he knowingly broke Saudi Law.

But their own go to farangland to do what they can't do in their own country...Even hi-so's..........coffee1.gif

So what's your point (if any) Transam? They go outside to partake of things illegal in their own country but LEGAL in "farangland" as you call it. Unfortunately this man was doing something ILLEGAL...does that make it clear for you?

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Thats the one country I wouldnt mind ISIS invading.................

One cannot invade one's own homeland.

I'm sureBin Laden would testify to that, were he still with us.

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Meanwhile while the Saudi Royals are in London or Hollywood its let the good times roll. whistling.gif

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Had an acquaintance arrested for bringing a bottle of homemade wine into Saudi from Bahrain. Forgot it was in his car when he went to Bahrain. No jail or lashes, quick PNG.

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Good news. Another news source (The Guardian) is reporting it's only 350 lashes, so he's on easy street now.

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When I worked there many years ago a truck used to deliver "Sedeki"by the crateful every Thursday night .Now this stuff was not from a home brew business ,who do you think ran the business?Also the palace my company serviced(Saudi co.,)was awash with any drink you could name.Hipocrites all of them.


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I was shocked to discover that alcohol was illegal in Saudi Arabia.

That means they <deleted> camels while sober...........................................coffee1.gif

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better stay in the western world nowadays to avoid the savages .

Why do people in this day and age still work or go on holiday to a Muslim country?

Their brains did not even reach the airport.

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Thats the one country I wouldnt mind ISIS invading.................

Yes, let the Muslims invade each others country and kill each other off.

That would be the best thing that could happen in todays world.

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Note to self: Respect culture and rules while a guest in another country. wub.png

I would expect the Muslim communities in the UK and Europe to do the same. Sharia patrols in Muslim areas is outside European law yet it is tolerated. Here is a clip from 60 minutes a US investigative news program like the UK's Panorama.

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This man has brought this problem onto his own head.

Allegedly he has lived/worked in Saudi for 25 years so he should know what the "rules" are.

The Saudis are remarkably tolerant of Western lifestyles as long as it is kept within the gated compounds where most expats live.

By transporting alcohol he knowingly broke Saudi Law.

But their own go to farangland to do what they can't do in their own country...Even hi-so's..........coffee1.gif

So what's your point (if any) Transam? They go outside to partake of things illegal in their own country but LEGAL in "farangland" as you call it. Unfortunately this man was doing something ILLEGAL...does that make it clear for you?

So the London bombings were legal??

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