tuanku Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 There is no crueler tyranny than that which is perpetuated under the shield of law and in the name of justice. Charles de Montesquieu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lungnorm Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Gee I am glad I decided to retire in the Philippines. Thailand is getting more like Stalinist Russia. What country has the ARMY investigating corruption charges against anyone let alone politicians and members of the public. What do you expect from a country that states officially it does not have prostitutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesimps Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 (edited) What can you do....? Hey, that's the spirit! Just roll over and give-up. Right, isn't that how progress everywhere has always been achieved? What on earth are you talking about ?. Did the people 'roll over' and let the government pass the amnesty disgrace ?. No - they took to the streets in the face of terrorist attacks and forced change. Oh - you mean those same terrorists don't like these new rules ?. Well hard luck. You made your bed now lie in it. Don't worry : you will certainly get your elections back so you can vote for the local red-shirt who will share a tiny bit of his corruption with you. But maybe things will be a little more strict than before so he won;t be able to 'donate' quite so much. Is that what you are afraid of ?. Anyone clicking 'like' to doctored pictures of HM and joining in with the anti Junta face book propaganda at this time must so stupid, I'm surprised they made it this far in life. Doesn't surprise me in the slightest though. This, from someone who had the privilege of being brought up under the shield of democracy is an absolute disgrace. Edited December 11, 2015 by jesimps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skildpadden Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 What is really offsetting really is the hypocrisy. They say to the UN:"We are committed to human rights which are inviolable, inalienable, and universal. Our human rights policy is guided by the principles of reaching out, hearing out and respecting the views of all." But on the home-front they do not commit to human rights and they do not respect the views of all. At the same time: "Justice Minister Paiboon Koomchaya, meanwhile, has told Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha that the corruption allegations over the construction of the Rajabhakti Park have grounds". People are then being charged for pointing out actual irregularities? How can you defend that fact? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredNL Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 (edited) In European newspapers is written: Click "LIKE" is prison in Thailand. See link Dutch newspaper: http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/24860624/__Klik_op__like___direct_de_cel_in__.html Just another loss of face !!! BTW: I saw the PM's speech in Paris a week ago. He was the only one that had a speech not in French or English but in Thai. As there were NO Thai translators everyone moved out to get some lunch. There were about 10 people left over. I thought that I saw 5 of them sleeping because of their jet-lag. The other one's were talking and/or making jokes. It would have been a complete embarrassment if it was me standing there talking to world leaders that just left the building.. Edited December 11, 2015 by FredNL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 You have to hand it to Wissanu. With all the skill of an arachnid, his spin on whether it was solicitation or donation has clarified the situation nicely, so everyone should now be happy. The only question though, how will he explain the solicitation of a donation. Yes very appropriate, although I don't know about "first attempting to deceive", they have been at it for decades! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inn Between Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 It's got to make one wonder if there's any chance that freedom of speech and freedom of the press are being considered in any form for the new constitution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredNL Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Hello!!! Someone gets arrested over a facebook message??? Facebook messages are according to European Law. Whenever you sign up with FB, you agree with European Law, not American, not Thai. Facebook servers are located in Ireland, what is EU !!! This is also the reason that China, North Korea and Iran has banned Facebook. I think mentioning these arrests to the EU or UN and make an official complaint there will have its effect on Thailand. Has Thailand signed the UN Human Rights Treaty or NOT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 What can you do....? Hey, that's the spirit! Just roll over and give-up. Right, isn't that how progress everywhere has always been achieved? What on earth are you talking about ?. Did the people 'roll over' and let the government pass the amnesty disgrace ?. No - they took to the streets in the face of terrorist attacks and forced change. Oh - you mean those same terrorists don't like these new rules ?. Well hard luck. You made your bed now lie in it. Don't worry : you will certainly get your elections back so you can vote for the local red-shirt who will share a tiny bit of his corruption with you. But maybe things will be a little more strict than before so he won;t be able to 'donate' quite so much. Is that what you are afraid of ?. Anyone clicking 'like' to doctored pictures of HM and joining in with the anti Junta face book propaganda at this time must so stupid, I'm surprised they made it this far in life. Doesn't surprise me in the slightest though. Just like an old fashioned toy...wind him up, and off he goes. Ahh, bless. Do you recall that TV advert featuring the Duracell Bunny - goes on and on doing the same thing when everyone else has run out of steam....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaywalker Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Do you recall that TV advert featuring the Duracell Bunny - goes on and on doing the same thing when everyone else has run out of steam....... I do. A fair analogy of our favorite junta supporter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In the jungle Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 The bunny is forever banging its own drum, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuanku Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 What can you do....? Hey, that's the spirit! Just roll over and give-up. Right, isn't that how progress everywhere has always been achieved? What on earth are you talking about ?. Did the people 'roll over' and let the government pass the amnesty disgrace ?. No - they took to the streets in the face of terrorist attacks and forced change. Oh - you mean those same terrorists don't like these new rules ?. Well hard luck. You made your bed now lie in it. Don't worry : you will certainly get your elections back so you can vote for the local red-shirt who will share a tiny bit of his corruption with you. But maybe things will be a little more strict than before so he won;t be able to 'donate' quite so much. Is that what you are afraid of ?. Anyone clicking 'like' to doctored pictures of HM and joining in with the anti Junta face book propaganda at this time must so stupid, I'm surprised they made it this far in life. Doesn't surprise me in the slightest though. This, from someone who had the privilege of being brought up under the shield of democracy is an absolute disgrace. We make assumptions from the user name - no guarantee of ethnicity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkerry Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Someone better tell Mark Zuckerberg not to return to Thailand anytime soon seeing how he is providing a platform for all these people who apparently trouble the government so much... slam dunk computer crimes, LM etc... and no diplomatic immunity for Mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercman24 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 hundreds of arrests in the pipeline, just wondering if they are arresting the wrong people. ?? well they never arrest thr "right" people do they, the "untouchables" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrrizzla Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 (edited) Someone better tell Mark Zuckerberg not to return to Thailand anytime soon seeing how he is providing a platform for all these people who apparently trouble the government so much... slam dunk computer crimes, LM etc... and no diplomatic immunity for Mark. Banning Facebook is something I bet they are considering. I hope they go through with it too because that will bring out the factory workers to the selfie loving high sos out on the streets in unison. It seems a silly notion but I'd bet the farm on a very bad reaction if they tried. Edited December 11, 2015 by mrrizzla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneday Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 (edited) So the government is far more interested in prosecuting Thai citizens who dare to speak out than actually investigating the alleged corruption at the Park. Mr. P and his junta are failing the people of Thailand right and left. Is there any promise they have made that they haven't kept. Edited December 11, 2015 by oneday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercman24 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 anyone else think "ENGLISHJOHN" is a plant, i think so, just look at the name, it says it all, lol !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuanku Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Hello!!! Someone gets arrested over a facebook message??? Facebook messages are according to European Law. Whenever you sign up with FB, you agree with European Law, not American, not Thai. Facebook servers are located in Ireland, what is EU !!! This is also the reason that China, North Korea and Iran has banned Facebook. I think mentioning these arrests to the EU or UN and make an official complaint there will have its effect on Thailand. Has Thailand signed the UN Human Rights Treaty or NOT? https://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/research/ratification-thailand.html There is no single Human rights treaty but many treaties and conventions, some signed and ratified by Thailand, some not. (see link) I doubt very much that signing up to Facebook and agreeing their conditions of service absolves you from actions you might take in Thailand which contravene Thai Law. The thing about the deliberately vague and non-specific articles 112, 116 and 44 is that put together they can be used to suppress any public dissent, You can even use the threat if you don't get the right t-shirt! As I see it, the only weapon is to mass offend and see whether the authorities can cope with arresting, holding and processing actions against tens of thousands of people. You would have to be brave, principled or have nothing to lose to participate in that kind of action as a Thai. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuanku Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 anyone else think "ENGLISHJOHN" is a plant, i think so, just look at the name, it says it all, lol !! By Plant, do you mean like a cabbage or a triffid? It would be surprising if there were not some agents provocateurs amongst the worthies posting on TVF. The alternative is too awful to contemplate, that he is actually English and believes in what he is writing!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krataiboy Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Let the Witch hunt begin...Ultra-Nationalists out in force today & ICT ministry with their Stalinist little LOVING "See something ...Say something" monarchist are in full force at the moment in the "Land of Frowns" "Urgent, please share and tell those who are listed as members of this group to flee because military officials will press lese majeste charges on everyone. This page is a trap created by officials.'' Interesting. In the Nation report, the Facebook group under scrutiny is described as the National Red Shirts Institute, whereas the linked Prachatai story refers to a National Red Shirts Association. One wonders - is this just a mistake on the part of one of the journalists or editors involved, or are there in fact two sites, one of which was created as the alleged "trap" site. Whatever the explanation, it is clear that the administration is becoming increasingly sensitive to criticism and more extreme in its responses. Something is going to have to give. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuanku Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Reminds me of Stalin. A half a million Thais came out against another authoritarian regime in 1975. Yes, we know what happened in 1976, but there was no internet then And some very interesting puppeteers involved too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCC1701A Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 my cat clicks "like" on facebook all the time. i will have to warn him to be careful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonthai Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 In European newspapers is written: Click "LIKE" is prison in Thailand. See link Dutch newspaper: http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/24860624/__Klik_op__like___direct_de_cel_in__.html Just another loss of face !!! BTW: I saw the PM's speech in Paris a week ago. He was the only one that had a speech not in French or English but in Thai. As there were NO Thai translators everyone moved out to get some lunch. There were about 10 people left over. I thought that I saw 5 of them sleeping because of their jet-lag. The other one's were talking and/or making jokes. It would have been a complete embarrassment if it was me standing there talking to world leaders that just left the building.. would you post a link to a video oreven photograph? i have tried to find, no results Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjaak327 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 What can you do....? Hey, that's the spirit! Just roll over and give-up. Right, isn't that how progress everywhere has always been achieved? What on earth are you talking about ?. Did the people 'roll over' and let the government pass the amnesty disgrace ?. No - they took to the streets in the face of terrorist attacks and forced change. Oh - you mean those same terrorists don't like these new rules ?. Well hard luck. You made your bed now lie in it. Don't worry : you will certainly get your elections back so you can vote for the local red-shirt who will share a tiny bit of his corruption with you. But maybe things will be a little more strict than before so he won;t be able to 'donate' quite so much. Is that what you are afraid of ?. Anyone clicking 'like' to doctored pictures of HM and joining in with the anti Junta face book propaganda at this time must so stupid, I'm surprised they made it this far in life. Doesn't surprise me in the slightest though. Actually, the amnesty disgrace didn't make it past the senate. Of course the current amnesty disgrace is much worse, as it handles future transgressions and benefits precious little people. Talking about making your bed hey ? Anyone clicking like does not need to be arrested of course. Quite surprised that an "English" bloke even seems to think they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaywalker Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Someone better tell Mark Zuckerberg not to return to Thailand anytime soon seeing how he is providing a platform for all these people who apparently trouble the government so much... slam dunk computer crimes, LM etc... and no diplomatic immunity for Mark. Pretty sure Mark could bribe his way of most anything. His net worth is about 30% of Thailand's foreign reserves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaywalker Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 my cat clicks "like" on facebook all the time. i will have to warn him to be careful. Is your cat a red shirt? I have a yellow shirt dog that will KICK IT'S ASS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgordo38 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Reminds me of Stalin. You rule by fear mongering. By arresting "100's" more in connection with this fiasco and ringing in the dreaded LM law you create fear in the rest of the populous. You ruin peoples lives to prove your point. I get a well known Asian edition of a national US newspaper and they have had numerous articles censored by the printer here over the last couple months. They have just announced that they are cancelling their Asian edition because of "skyrocketing" printing prices. Really again a casualty of fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockatoowho Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 The sad downside to this,is the fact that almost all who clicked like did so in opposition to the current leadership not even contemplating the ramifications. Ask them directly if they like or dislike the King without reprisal from the government, army and police and your answer by the vast majority if not all would be like. "Urgent, please share and tell those who are listed as members of this group to flee because military officials will press lese majeste charges on everyone. This page is a trap created by officials.'' Yep, very possible indeed that the officials being from the current Government set this up, just add it to the list of all their fictitious claims to downplay the park issue. Mr. General/PM this one isn't going away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestBitterPhuket Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Sadly, the present government is destroying any future hopes for Thailand. Thailand will be miles behind every other ASEAN country. They don't stand a chance against Philippines, Vietnam and Indonesia. Myanmar is reforming reforming and will eventually fly past Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonmarleesco Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 (edited) Dear, oh dear, hasn't Prayuth realised that it's already too late? The FB posts are simply graphically illustrating what everyone knows. I do wonder if there is any 'offence' that they won't attempt to prosecute under the LM law? Edited December 11, 2015 by Jonmarleesco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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