From Prostitute to Proper

[Eclipse]

I have notice a phenomena in my time in Thailand whereby a common Bar Girl from Pattaya is one day grinding on a pole in the Soi's to picked up and given a seeing to in the bedroom department and accepting payment. To secure herself a willing Farang and then brings him home to meet Ma and Pa in Isan Provence, where she become Prim and Proper.

She then Marries Farang and moves to Chiang Mai or elsewhere and lives a Pious life, as if the Prostitution had never happened, it was a means to an end, I know.

So what? Does it cause you a problem?

No. But it obviously pricked your conscience.

Once a ****, always a ****.

Always somebody with more dosh.

Why worry and judge how others live their lives. Worry about yourself.

[thaiduncankk]

I have notice a phenomena in my time in Thailand whereby a common Bar Girl from Pattaya is one day grinding on a pole in the Soi's to picked up and given a seeing to in the bedroom department and accepting payment. To secure herself a willing Farang and then brings him home to meet Ma and Pa in Isan Provence, where she become Prim and Proper.

She then Marries Farang and moves to Chiang Mai or elsewhere and lives a Pious life, as if the Prostitution had never happened, it was a means to an end, I know.

So what? Does it cause you a problem?

No. But it obviously pricked your conscience.

Once a ****, always a ****.

Always somebody with more dosh.

Why worry and judge how others live their lives. Worry about yourself.

I do not have to worry about myself, but I will call a spade a spade.

Whatever floats your boat.

Put your daughter in the same position ?

[Eclipse]

I do not have to worry about myself, but I will call a spade a spade.

Whatever floats your boat.

Put your daughter in the same position ?

Bizarre

Edited December 15, 2015 by Eclipse

[Orac]

I always remember having a drink with a few mates and one of the guys there who i didn't know very well got on his high horse about how his girlfriend was different. After she picked him up someone pointed me to the photos behind the bar from when she worked there.

Bottom line is that many have a past here that, while they may not be necessarily be proud of it, they have moved on and built a new life that may be very different. I have very little time for those who judge people by what they used to be rather than accepting them for what they have become.

[brewsterbudgen]

Strange thread. Is the OP asking a question or is he just very new?

Nope, he is educating ya

How, exactly?

[ravip]

Strange thread. Is the OP asking a question or is he just very new?

Nope, he is educating ya

How, exactly?

Read the OP

[MaeJoMTB]

Bottom line is that many have a past here that, while they may not be necessarily be proud of it, they have moved on and built a new life that may be very different. I have very little time for those who judge people by what they used to be rather than accepting them for what they have become.

Never seen anyone change that much.

Generally they are what they always were.

[Jip99]

You are stil judging Asia by your western values.

Prostitution, as you chose to call it is not the same as it is in the west and does not carry the negitive conitations it does wherever you have brought your judgemental values from.

Someday these silly Asians will llearn to think like you do and then they will feel horrible about their lives....NOT!

I like them just they way they are.

I would never consider retiring in the uptight judgemental west.

Thank you.

I am sorry, but you are talking nonsense.

Prostitution in Thailand carries just as much negativity as the West if not more when among normal people, it sure does NOT when among one of their own, ie villages full of hookers and their families where they do not know and do not want to know any better.

Take a hooker to a decent restaurant or social event or even to a private hospital and pay attention to how she will be spoken to and treated

No, he is not talking nonsense.

Don't confuse inverted snobbery with respect (or lack of it).

You don't have to be a prostitute to be a whore.

Just because a hi-so trades at a higher level doesn't make her a better person.

[brewsterbudgen]

Strange thread. Is the OP asking a question or is he just very new?

Nope, he is educating ya

How, exactly?

Read the OP

I have. You think it's educational?

[Orac]

Bottom line is that many have a past here that, while they may not be necessarily be proud of it, they have moved on and built a new life that may be very different. I have very little time for those who judge people by what they used to be rather than accepting them for what they have become.

Never seen anyone change that much.

Generally they are what they always were.

I would disagree. Many of the people i know from when i was first visiting Thailand 15 years ago with very few morals are now in settled relationships. I am quite surprised at the success rate.

[konying]

You are stil judging Asia by your western values.

Prostitution, as you chose to call it is not the same as it is in the west and does not carry the negitive conitations it does wherever you have brought your judgemental values from.

Someday these silly Asians will llearn to think like you do and then they will feel horrible about their lives....NOT!

I like them just they way they are.

I would never consider retiring in the uptight judgemental west.

Thank you.

I am sorry, but you are talking nonsense.

Prostitution in Thailand carries just as much negativity as the West if not more when among normal people, it sure does NOT when among one of their own, ie villages full of hookers and their families where they do not know and do not want to know any better.

Take a hooker to a decent restaurant or social event or even to a private hospital and pay attention to how she will be spoken to and treated

No, he is not talking nonsense.

Don't confuse inverted snobbery with respect (or lack of it).

You don't have to be a prostitute to be a whore.

Just because a hi-so trades at a higher level doesn't make her a better person.

It has nothing to do with snobbery, and respect is earned not given and i really do not see a point getting into a debate on difference between a prostitute and a whore.

We are NOT discussing good or bad person, we are discussing choices and morals by which people live.

If you are happy to be in the company of a hooker or an ex hooker, it is your choice, but do not expect me or others to applaud you for your choice.

Some chose to live an honest life, working hard to achieve things, others chose to sell their ass and do as little as possible, then find an idiot, milk him dry by deception and lies and move on to the next one with no remorse what so ever,

[mcfish]

Nothing wrong with marrying a total slut. Honesty what could go wrong?

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[konying]

Bottom line is that many have a past here that, while they may not be necessarily be proud of it, they have moved on and built a new life that may be very different. I have very little time for those who judge people by what they used to be rather than accepting them for what they have become.

Never seen anyone change that much.

Generally they are what they always were.

I would disagree. Many of the people i know from when i was first visiting Thailand 15 years ago with very few morals are now in settled relationships. I am quite surprised at the success rate.

Ohhhh..... the good old days

[konying]

Nothing wrong with marrying a total slut. Honesty what could go wrong?

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As long as she does not bump into a neighbor or a delivery man or a milk man or a post man, nothing should

[Orac]

Bottom line is that many have a past here that, while they may not be necessarily be proud of it, they have moved on and built a new life that may be very different. I have very little time for those who judge people by what they used to be rather than accepting them for what they have become.

Never seen anyone change that much.

Generally they are what they always were.

I would disagree. Many of the people i know from when i was first visiting Thailand 15 years ago with very few morals are now in settled relationships. I am quite surprised at the success rate.

Ohhhh..... the good old days

No - just the past.

[MaeJoMTB]

Bottom line is that many have a past here that, while they may not be necessarily be proud of it, they have moved on and built a new life that may be very different. I have very little time for those who judge people by what they used to be rather than accepting them for what they have become.

Never seen anyone change that much.

Generally they are what they always were.

I would disagree. Many of the people i know from when i was first visiting Thailand 15 years ago with very few morals are now in settled relationships. I am quite surprised at the success rate.

Over the past 10-15 years, the men I have known (with a Thai wife/gf) have a success rate of ZERO.

But quite a lot of the guys don't know it (yet).

I guess if they die before they find out, that would count as a WIN.

[konying]

No - just the past.

Well not easy to keep on hassling and compete at the age of 50, so settling for anything is the only choice, especially if they did not have a daughter to replace them.

Though i will admit, 15 years ago, they were coming to "work" to look for a foreign husband,these days they come to work for all other reasons but to look for foreign husband.

[Jip99]

You are stil judging Asia by your western values.

Prostitution, as you chose to call it is not the same as it is in the west and does not carry the negitive conitations it does wherever you have brought your judgemental values from.

Someday these silly Asians will llearn to think like you do and then they will feel horrible about their lives....NOT!

I like them just they way they are.

I would never consider retiring in the uptight judgemental west.

Thank you.

I am sorry, but you are talking nonsense.

Prostitution in Thailand carries just as much negativity as the West if not more when among normal people, it sure does NOT when among one of their own, ie villages full of hookers and their families where they do not know and do not want to know any better.

Take a hooker to a decent restaurant or social event or even to a private hospital and pay attention to how she will be spoken to and treated

No, he is not talking nonsense.

Don't confuse inverted snobbery with respect (or lack of it).

You don't have to be a prostitute to be a whore.

Just because a hi-so trades at a higher level doesn't make her a better person.

It has nothing to do with snobbery, and respect is earned not given and i really do not see a point getting into a debate on difference between a prostitute and a whore.

We are NOT discussing good or bad person, we are discussing choices and morals by which people live.

If you are happy to be in the company of a hooker or an ex hooker, it is your choice, but do not expect me or others to applaud you for your choice.

Some chose to live an honest life, working hard to achieve things, others chose to sell their ass and do as little as possible, then find an idiot, milk him dry by deception and lies and move on to the next one with no remorse what so ever,

I expect nothing from you - and I have never been disappointed.

[Orac]

No - just the past.

Well not easy to keep on hassling and compete at the age of 50, so settling for anything is the only choice, especially if they did not have a daughter to replace them.

Though i will admit, 15 years ago, they were coming to "work" to look for a foreign husband,these days they come to work for all other reasons but to look for foreign husband.

I am not 50 yet but must say that the success rate is far higher amongst the younger of the people i know!

[konying]

No - just the past.

Well not easy to keep on hassling and compete at the age of 50, so settling for anything is the only choice, especially if they did not have a daughter to replace them.

Though i will admit, 15 years ago, they were coming to "work" to look for a foreign husband,these days they come to work for all other reasons but to look for foreign husband.

I am not 50 yet but must say that the success rate is far higher amongst the younger of the people i know!

I did not mean you, i meant the "ladies" if your post was in reference to men, then disregard my previous response

[Orac]

No - just the past.

Well not easy to keep on hassling and compete at the age of 50, so settling for anything is the only choice, especially if they did not have a daughter to replace them.

Though i will admit, 15 years ago, they were coming to "work" to look for a foreign husband,these days they come to work for all other reasons but to look for foreign husband.

I am not 50 yet but must say that the success rate is far higher amongst the younger of the people i know!

I did not mean you, i meant the "ladies" if your post was in reference to men, then disregard my previous response

I didn't read your post properly to be honest but i do not see the point in judging the ladies that work the bars that differently to how i would judge their customers.

[konying]

I didn't read your post properly to be honest but i do not see the point in judging the ladies that work the bars that differently to how i would judge their customers.

Fair point, the difference being is that customer may indulge in her services for short period of time, while she makes her living and life based on it

[thaiduncankk]

If anyone on this forum was introduced to a new acquaintance, and was told in private that he has been a serial theif all his previous life, how many would adapt the attitude 'that was in the past' ?

Answer: NONE.

You could never put his past behind him, and you would always be wary of him.

Is this topic any different ?

[Orac]

If anyone on this forum was introduced to a new acquaintance, and was told in private that he has been a serial theif all his previous life, how many would adapt the attitude 'that was in the past' ?

Answer: NONE.

You could never put his past behind him, and you would always be wary of him.

Is this topic any different ?

Well yes - if you were told that in private that an acquaintance of yours had had sex for money would you be wary of him/her.

[konying]

If anyone on this forum was introduced to a new acquaintance, and was told in private that he has been a serial theif all his previous life, how many would adapt the attitude 'that was in the past' ?

Answer: NONE.

You could never put his past behind him, and you would always be wary of him.

Is this topic any different ?

Well yes - if you were told that in private that an acquaintance of yours had had sex for money would you be wary of him/her.

Well, if she was a looker, i would be offering money under the table hoping its enough to beat what he is paying

On a little more serious note, what you may not understand is her past would not be private the moment she speaks and or the way she acts.

Putting an expansive dress with an expansive hand bag only changes her outer appearance, it does not change the way she speaks, acts and what she says

Of course if you oblivious to your surroundings and what is being said, then you would not be bothered.

Edited December 15, 2015 by konying

[thaiduncankk]

If anyone on this forum was introduced to a new acquaintance, and was told in private that he has been a serial theif all his previous life, how many would adapt the attitude 'that was in the past' ?

Answer: NONE.

You could never put his past behind him, and you would always be wary of him.

Is this topic any different ?

Well yes - if you were told that in private that an acquaintance of yours had had sex for money would you be wary of him/her.

The thread is about the people selling their body, not about someone participating.

[Orac]

If anyone on this forum was introduced to a new acquaintance, and was told in private that he has been a serial theif all his previous life, how many would adapt the attitude 'that was in the past' ?

Answer: NONE.

You could never put his past behind him, and you would always be wary of him.

Is this topic any different ?

Well yes - if you were told that in private that an acquaintance of yours had had sex for money would you be wary of him/her.

The thread is about the people selling their body, not about someone participating.

So not about thieves then?

[Orac]

If anyone on this forum was introduced to a new acquaintance, and was told in private that he has been a serial theif all his previous life, how many would adapt the attitude 'that was in the past' ?

Answer: NONE.

You could never put his past behind him, and you would always be wary of him.

Is this topic any different ?

Well yes - if you were told that in private that an acquaintance of yours had had sex for money would you be wary of him/her.

Well, if she was a looker, i would be offering money under the table hoping its enough to beat what he is paying

On a little more serious note, what you may not understand is her past would not be private the moment she speaks and or the way she acts.

Putting an expansive dress with an expansive hand bag only changes her outer appearance, it does not change the way she speaks, acts and what she says

Of course if you oblivious to your surroundings and what is being said, then you would not be bothered.

Maybe so - to be honest i have found myself finding it harder recently to tell peoples backgrounds after living in Pattaya a few years as so many have moved on to new lives. The biggest giveaway to me is their command of conversational english!

[Gecko123]

You are stil judging Asia by your western values.

Prostitution, as you chose to call it is not the same as it is in the west and does not carry the negitive conitations it does wherever you have brought your judgemental values from.

Someday these silly Asians will llearn to think like you do and then they will feel horrible about their lives....NOT!

I like them just they way they are.

I would never consider retiring in the uptight judgemental west.

Thank you.

I am sorry, but you are talking nonsense.

Prostitution in Thailand carries just as much negativity as the West if not more when among normal people, it sure does NOT when among one of their own, ie villages full of hookers and their families where they do not know and do not want to know any better.

Take a hooker to a decent restaurant or social event or even to a private hospital and pay attention to how she will be spoken to and treated

I have to agree with Konying on this one.

Based on casual observations and candid discussions with Thais of how they perceive foreign men/Thai women couples, I believe the default assumption of most Thais is that the Thai woman met the foreign man through the sex industry. From what I have seen, the reason that Thais harbor this "default" perception is because in the vast majority of cases it is true. Only if there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary are these perceptions altered. In relationships which have stood the test of time, or where the man is perceived as a good provider and the woman is perceived as genuinely happy, these relationships are, of course, socially legitimized over time.

Newcomers, and those who cannot communicate in Thai can be forgiven for thinking that Thais are disinterested in whether or not someone is a prostitute. While it is true that Thais are very pragmatic about human sexuality and don't have the same Judeo-Christian judgmentalism as many Westerners, prostitution does carry an undeniable social stigma here. People may laugh and smile and welcome a foreign man when he visits the family home, but that doesn't mean tongues aren't clucking once you're out of earshot.

When I first started coming to Thailand years ago, one of the things which attracted me to the beer bars was the perception that the girls were so carefree that it was easy to feel like there was no exploitation or psychological damage being done. None of the angst and depressing spiritlessness so associated with prostitution in the West seemed to exist. None of the girls seemed to have any psychological hangups, come from broken homes, suffer from substance abuse, or come from abusive environments. While I have never been to a prostitute in the West, and doubt I ever will, I felt comfortable and guilt free in Thai beer and go-go bars.

However, after living in a small village for 10+ years and knowing the family backgrounds of some of the local girls who end up in the sex industry, I no longer see Thailand's sex industry through the same romanticized rose-colored glasses I once did.

I'm not moralizing here, just sharing social observations.

[giddyup]

If anyone on this forum was introduced to a new acquaintance, and was told in private that he has been a serial theif all his previous life, how many would adapt the attitude 'that was in the past' ?

Answer: NONE.

You could never put his past behind him, and you would always be wary of him.

Is this topic any different ?

Well yes - if you were told that in private that an acquaintance of yours had had sex for money would you be wary of him/her.

Well, if she was a looker, i would be offering money under the table hoping its enough to beat what he is paying

On a little more serious note, what you may not understand is her past would not be private the moment she speaks and or the way she acts.

Putting an expansive dress with an expansive hand bag only changes her outer appearance, it does not change the way she speaks, acts and what she says

Of course if you oblivious to your surroundings and what is being said, then you would not be bothered.

Expansive, is that like a really, really big dress and handbag for a very large lady?