Berkshire Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 10 hours ago, Berkshire said: I notice the AQI website has been stuck on Friday for 3 days now. http://aqicn.org/city/thailand/chiangmai/city-hall/ Wonder why? Well this site is back up as of now. Lots of red....ugh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vivid Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 On 2/20/2017 at 11:52 AM, cerox said: I'm curious if anyone has recommendations what to do about the eyes. I only have symptoms with the eyes, so like today, when I go out, my eyes burn. I reckon there is not much one can do apart from limiting time outdoors or leaving? I didn't have that on Saturday/Sunday, so I think it is related to "fresh burning". Unfortunately, you can only do eye drops, so get the cheapest 12-pack or something, you'll need it. Wearing safety googles would look wierd. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonwilly Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 A couple of my standards are if I can see Doi Saket from my condo on Doi Suthep and if on taking breakfast at Sausage King I can see Doi Suthep clear. Both where OK today. Neither was good yesterday. john 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LolaS Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 Imagination imagination life is your creation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropico Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 I just came across this Greenpeace document and I wanted to share it. there is a lot of people that think Chiang Mai air is actually not that bad outside burning season but these data say something else I believe. Just draw your own conclusions! PM2.5CityRankingsREV.pdf 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogb Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 36 minutes ago, tropico said: I just came across this Greenpeace document and I wanted to share it. there is a lot of people that think Chiang Mai air is actually not that bad outside burning season but these data say something else I believe. Just draw your own conclusions! PM2.5CityRankingsREV.pdf The burning season would bring the Chiang Mai averages up - what is more striking is how bad the air is elsewhere in Thailand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user555 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Have been looking at the air quality score http://aqicn.org/map . While the results are not good, I think they are not as bad as one can expect from previous years. At the moment for example the air pollution score is 127, while I expected it to be as high as 250. Can it be related to the activity of the government? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogb Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 1 minute ago, user555 said: Have been looking at the air quality score http://aqicn.org/map . While the results are not good, I think they are not as bad as one can expect from previous years. At the moment for example the air pollution score is 127, while I expected it to be as high as 250. Can it be related to the activity of the government? Hope so. (after building up to quite bad levels in recent weeks there has been a noticeable improvement since the burning ban came into effect - don't know if that is a coincidence or not, but hopefully it holds) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropico Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 1 hour ago, ogb said: The burning season would bring the Chiang Mai averages up - what is more striking is how bad the air is elsewhere in Thailand! sure but you would still breath a certain amount of particulate if you live here all through the year. The numbers say that the average air quality (pm 2.5) is worse than everywhere else in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elephant45 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 It will only get worse,. I was near a Military base the other day and they were burning piles pf trash, young army guys, plastic, and whatever they had. Total poison. They just dont get it and they never will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keo Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 22 hours ago, tropico said: I just came across this Greenpeace document and I wanted to share it. there is a lot of people that think Chiang Mai air is actually not that bad outside burning season but these data say something else I believe. Just draw your own conclusions! PM2.5CityRankingsREV.pdf Thanks for sharing. Makes for a rather depressing read. It's interesting just how much open burning contributes to the PM 2.5 levels. Some low hanging fruit right there, if only the authorities would wake up and actually do something about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LolaS Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 On 2/24/2017 at 8:56 AM, tropico said: I just came across this Greenpeace document and I wanted to share it. there is a lot of people that think Chiang Mai air is actually not that bad outside burning season but these data say something else I believe. Just draw your own conclusions! PM2.5CityRankingsREV.pdf iff you actually cared to read it you would see that average is in blue and safe level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyJ Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 (edited) 14 hours ago, LolaS said: iff you actually cared to read it you would see that average is in blue and safe level On what page do you see that statement/information? p.3 "...the current AQI is still based on PM10 and vastly under-reports air pollution levels and underestimates health risks." The average maximum monthly levels of 2.5 in Chang Mai are 188 in 2014. It's a confusing chart as the average daily 2.5 is in "safe" territory but it's not stated how many days per year are up to dangerous levels bringing the average maximum to the unsafe number of 188. Edited February 25, 2017 by JimmyJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyJ Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 (edited) I don't know if any of us have done the research as to how many dangerous level days have a high percentage chance of doing permanent damage. (I haven't). Imagine smoking cigarettes 5 days per month but having no tobacco the other 25-26 days. Or smoking for 3 months of the year and not smoking at all the other 9 months. There is still the likelihood it could cause lung cancer but will take longer. The damage from the tobacco is not negated by the fact that most days of the month the lungs aren't inhaling it. Cessation of smoking will stop further damage, but I've seen it stated that nothing can undo damage already caused by cigarette smoking. Edited February 25, 2017 by JimmyJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropico Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 15 hours ago, LolaS said: iff you actually cared to read it you would see that average is in blue and safe level Thailand made their own standards which are double and more than double of the one from WHO. Therefore even though it is green or blue on the Thai AQI tables, it is hazardous anywhere else WHO standards are followed. Also, this is what is stated on the document: " The 2 current AQI is still based on PM10 and vastly under-reports air pollution levels and underestimates health risks". If you think that the air is good or is much better than many other places that is up to you but I think the air quality is not up to standards and it could pose a risk. And that is why I thought this document could have been interesting. Thank you for your comment though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LolaS Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 6 hours ago, tropico said: Thailand made their own standards which are double and more than double of the one from WHO. Therefore even though it is green or blue on the Thai AQI tables, it is hazardous anywhere else WHO standards are followed. Also, this is what is stated on the document: " The 2 current AQI is still based on PM10 and vastly under-reports air pollution levels and underestimates health risks". If you think that the air is good or is much better than many other places that is up to you but I think the air quality is not up to standards and it could pose a risk. And that is why I thought this document could have been interesting. Thank you for your comment though! care to provide any reference for your fake claim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropico Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 5 hours ago, LolaS said: care to provide any reference for your fake claim? here it is from WHO guidelines publication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyJ Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, LolaS said: care to provide any reference for your fake claim? Earlier, also to tropico - " iff you actually cared to read it you would see that average is in blue and safe level" In Post 733 above I quoted from the Greenpeace report: p.3 "...the current AQI is still based on PM10 and vastly under-reports air pollution levels and underestimates health risks." Why so hostile? Do you own a hotel or other business in Chang Mai? Edited February 26, 2017 by JimmyJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropico Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 6 hours ago, LolaS said: care to provide any reference for your fake claim? On top of that, on the Greenpeace document I attached first, they stated what I thought I wrote about! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LolaS Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 And now compare with other coutries and you will see how they are far far from WHO guidlines. and truth will be in front of your eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropico Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 27 minutes ago, LolaS said: And now compare with other coutries and you will see how they are far far from WHO guidlines. and truth will be in front of your eyes. Dear Sir/Madame I did not say that other countries are much better off in fact I did not make any comparison at all. But i just wanted to indicate the fact that the data might not tell all the truth and that the air might be worse than what you think and perhaps it is good to take precautions! In asserting this, I included the Greenpeace report as a reference! But again is up to you and your understanding. You make your own decision on how to deal with this issue (if it is an issue for you). From what I read, I felt compelled to know a bit more and I thought that I should be cautious about the air quality. If it was not that bad I don't think there would be thousands and thousands of people hospitalized for breathing problems during the burning season, and also there would not be so much attention to the problem if there was no problem. For me it is important to know what is the level of the problem and perhaps discuss with others that might have an even better understanding of this issue and perhaps contribute to this "debate". Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canopy Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 Sorry LolaS I don't know how you can sit there and pretend the air in northern thailand is similar to elsewhere in the world. It isn't. In plenty of other countries rural areas enjoy clean air all year round that meets WHO standards for good air. There is no burning season--forests, fields, and trash are not methodically burned by everyone. Visibility is good year round because there isn't smoke shrouding the views. Hospitals don't become full of people with respiratory problems due to bad air. Governments don't need to hand out masks and warn people to stay inside with windows and door closed and warned not to exercise. Planes don't have to abort landings due to excessive smoke. And in other countries, real improvements have been made to air quality that work and it gets better and better. In this country all they have done is artificially change the scale of what constitutes clean air to include unhealthy air and do little to nothing to combat the source of the problem no matter how much the poor people are suffering from it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LolaS Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 I am not debating, I am claiming what I feel and see with my eyes, and lungs. I am glad that you agree that air is 100 times worst in western cities. why are you all spreading this senseless information out of context and reality? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropico Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 1 hour ago, LolaS said: I am not debating, I am claiming what I feel and see with my eyes, and lungs. I am glad that you agree that air is 100 times worst in western cities. why are you all spreading this senseless information out of context and reality? The reality is that there is smoke in the air and people have been getting sick from it. There is plenty literature out there talking about the health hazards caused by smoke in Chiang Mai and some other northern provinces. This year seems a bit better but I am not sure it would last!...I hope it will! If you have hard facts about your own belief please do provide it. And i dont want to know how bad is the air in London or another western city because I don't live there! attached here some more from: "The Asian correspondent" 2016, which you can find online, and like this many more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LolaS Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 again, high exageration comapring to rest of world and comparing to whole year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canopy Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 19 minutes ago, LolaS said: again, high exageration comapring to rest of world and comparing to whole year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropico Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 2 hours ago, LolaS said: again, high exageration comapring to rest of world and comparing to whole year. which rest of the world? China and india are definitely worse! Any data for your claims? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LolaS Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 in europe is 500, what is your point? take a look by yourselff. exageration and faulse data from one day, comparing to rest of year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropico Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 1 hour ago, LolaS said: in europe is 500, what is your point? take a look by yourselff. exageration and faulse data from one day, comparing to rest of year. what is 500? look at the table chart below. the worst country in Europe is Bulgaria with annual average concentrations of about 35 micrograms/m3. Chiang Mai averages 54 micrograms/m3 show me some data. first you accused me of making fake claims and i provided you with some references ....i haven't seen anything that proves your theory and that would suggest Chiang Mai air is healthy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropico Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 2 hours ago, LolaS said: in europe is 500, what is your point? take a look by yourselff. exageration and faulse data from one day, comparing to rest of year. of course there are other parameters to take into consideration beside pm2.5 therefore there is more to know before giving conclusions. However because of the data and the nature of the pollution I believe that CM air is not healthy. If you believe otherwise than good for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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