Former Dutch soldier arrested for fighting Islamic State

[dutchisaan]

There is a pettion started for Jitze, the ex Dutch soldier. Here is the link;

http://www.petities24.com/steun_jitse_akse

[robblok]

Is the Netherlands sponsoring ISIL?

The Dutch government sounds like Socialist not wanting you to participate in any war not their's.You will notice even though they are buying war planes and arms that they are not assisting the UK,or The US in fighting the isis in The Mid East....

You have to do some more research before you post.

The Dutch Royal Airforce is bomming isis for months now.

So please stop posting nonsence.

If the royal Dutch airforce is bombing ISIS then its even more a disgrace that they arrested him. Because that means we are at war with ISIS and he is fighting them too. I guess stupid Dutch bureaucracy it too afraid to offend the Muslims. Next election we will see major changes.. or maybe the election after that one if they block Wilders. The people are getting fed up with the socialist importing Muslims and risking safety in our country. They should be arrested and investigated.. not this hero. (and I have nothing against Muslims at all even got some clients and friends but this refugee problem is a perfect way to get extremists in a country. Hamburg showed what can go wrong)

As for Steven and thinking the Dutch system is perfect.. there is no perfect system. I can find quite a few cases Putten rings any bells where the stupid government went wrong arresting and sentencing the wrong people. Nothing wrong with being critical of your own country.. I know I am .. I dont let nationalism come before common sense.

[manarak]

Don't know about Dutch law, but I believe it is illegal in Western countries to engage in overseas armed conflict unless with the military of a recognised foreign State, so long as the foreign State is not at war with your home country.

Some Australians are fighting alongside Kurds against Daesh, a few killed. The legality is discussed at the URL below

http://www.cefa.org.au/ccf/australian-court-decide-if-it-crime-fight-kurds

They are not prosecuting, at least not yet, they are investigation. That may lead to a prosecution or not.

He joined a foreign fighting force, seems reason to me to investigate if that is allowed yes or no.

the level of control applied by governments on their citizens is becoming more and more worrying.

leftists have gone over the top with all sorts of PC bullshit to control more and more of the citizens' lives, even prosecuting their own citizens for things done in accordance with national interest - for example countries prosecuting their own companies/executives for bribing foreign decision makers, while the latter then just accept bribes from another company which nthen gets the contract... It becomes totally surreal.

all right, the guy is NOT YET being prosecuted but he was ARRESTED and had to give up his passport. For doing something the majority of people in the Netherlands would give him a medal for.

laws should to be applied when the result is a benefit for citizens.

when no citizens benefit from applying a law in a case, then don't apply it.

where is Dutch citizens' interest in prosecuting that soldier?

So a judge should only apply laws if they are in the interest of the country and citizens.

if it includes the greater good for society, it seems a sensible way to deal with things, no?

[dutchisaan]

Is the Netherlands sponsoring ISIL?

The Dutch government sounds like Socialist not wanting you to participate in any war not their's.You will notice even though they are buying war planes and arms that they are not assisting the UK,or The US in fighting the isis in The Mid East....

You have to do some more research before you post.

The Dutch Royal Airforce is bomming isis for months now.

So please stop posting nonsence.

If the royal Dutch airforce is bombing ISIS then its even more a disgrace that they arrested him. Because that means we are at war with ISIS and he is fighting them too. I guess stupid Dutch bureaucracy it too afraid to offend the Muslims. Next election we will see major changes.. or maybe the election after that one if they block Wilders. The people are getting fed up with the socialist importing Muslims and risking safety in our country. They should be arrested and investigated.. not this hero. (and I have nothing against Muslims at all even got some clients and friends but this refugee problem is a perfect way to get extremists in a country. Hamburg showed what can go wrong)

As for Steven and thinking the Dutch system is perfect.. there is no perfect system. I can find quite a few cases Putten rings any bells where the stupid government went wrong arresting and sentencing the wrong people. Nothing wrong with being critical of your own country.. I know I am .. I dont let nationalism come before common sense.

I like your post.

The f:;.,!, Dutch goverment is after the wrong people! And, yes, I'm Dutch and a Dutch war veteran.

Now you know why I don't live in that ....... Country anymore!

And to the good people on this form, one requiest,

Please sign the petinion for Jitse so he know he is not alone.

http://www.petities24.com/steun_jitse_akse

Thank you all

Edited January 17, 2016 by dutchisaan

[stevenl]

They are not prosecuting, at least not yet, they are investigation. That may lead to a prosecution or not.

He joined a foreign fighting force, seems reason to me to investigate if that is allowed yes or no.

the level of control applied by governments on their citizens is becoming more and more worrying.

leftists have gone over the top with all sorts of PC bullshit to control more and more of the citizens' lives, even prosecuting their own citizens for things done in accordance with national interest - for example countries prosecuting their own companies/executives for bribing foreign decision makers, while the latter then just accept bribes from another company which nthen gets the contract... It becomes totally surreal.

all right, the guy is NOT YET being prosecuted but he was ARRESTED and had to give up his passport. For doing something the majority of people in the Netherlands would give him a medal for.

laws should to be applied when the result is a benefit for citizens.

when no citizens benefit from applying a law in a case, then don't apply it.

where is Dutch citizens' interest in prosecuting that soldier?

So a judge should only apply laws if they are in the interest of the country and citizens.

if it includes the greater good for society, it seems a sensible way to deal with things, no?

No, the laws are applicable to all and always. If the laws are no good they have be changed, but selective application is really not good.

[stevenl]

The Dutch government sounds like Socialist not wanting you to participate in any war not their's.You will notice even though they are buying war planes and arms that they are not assisting the UK,or The US in fighting the isis in The Mid East....

You have to do some more research before you post.

The Dutch Royal Airforce is bomming isis for months now.

So please stop posting nonsence.

If the royal Dutch airforce is bombing ISIS then its even more a disgrace that they arrested him. Because that means we are at war with ISIS and he is fighting them too. I guess stupid Dutch bureaucracy it too afraid to offend the Muslims. Next election we will see major changes.. or maybe the election after that one if they block Wilders. The people are getting fed up with the socialist importing Muslims and risking safety in our country. They should be arrested and investigated.. not this hero. (and I have nothing against Muslims at all even got some clients and friends but this refugee problem is a perfect way to get extremists in a country. Hamburg showed what can go wrong)

As for Steven and thinking the Dutch system is perfect.. there is no perfect system. I can find quite a few cases Putten rings any bells where the stupid government went wrong arresting and sentencing the wrong people. Nothing wrong with being critical of your own country.. I know I am .. I dont let nationalism come before common sense.

I said "In the Netherlands there is a very well functioning judicial system to sort out things like this.". So please don't make claims about things I said that are not true. Unless you think 'perfect' is the same as 'well functioning'. Your reference to nationalism is totally ridiculous BTW.

[Grouse]

Pity this bloke wasn't at Srebrenicha (excuse spelling). The Dutch needed proper fighters there!

[springheeled jack]

I think this is absolutely shocking an ex soldier who in my opinion did what a lot of other people should be doing fighting a growing threat to western civilisation could be charged with murder what is the world coming to isil if not stopped now will take over Europe.

[Linky]

I think this is absolutely shocking an ex soldier who in my opinion did what a lot of other people should be doing fighting a growing threat to western civilisation could be charged with murder what is the world coming to isil if not stopped now will take over Europe.

If he felt so strongly about it he could have enlisted in the syrian army. After all, they are the govt force fighting daesh.

But instead he preferrerd to be a mercenary.

[dutchisaan]

I think this is absolutely shocking an ex soldier who in my opinion did what a lot of other people should be doing fighting a growing threat to western civilisation could be charged with murder what is the world coming to isil if not stopped now will take over Europe.

If he felt so strongly about it he could have enlisted in the syrian army. After all, they are the govt force fighting daesh.

But instead he preferrerd to be a mercenary.

You don't understand what freedom is,do you?

This man, his name is Jiske, is not a mercenary. He is one off the few people fighting agianst these terrorists.

And what are you doing today, sitting in the sun, enjoy your freedom?

You ever spend one moment in your life to think about where this freedom came from?

Shame one you, but just enjoy your next beer on your barstool!!!

Have a nice day, and btw this is from a combat veteran, so enjoy it!

Edited January 17, 2016 by dutchisaan

[manarak]

No, the laws are applicable to all and always. If the laws are no good they have be changed, but selective application is really not good.

quite the contrary, as long as it's done openly.

in the US, the prosecutor has discretionary authority: http://law.jrank.org/pages/1870/Prosecution-Prosecutorial-Discretion.html

in Germany, Switzerland and Austria, the legal principle of "Nullo actore, nullus iudex" is applied, meaning if no authorized interested party sues, the courts don't get involved. There is a list of exceptions to the rule, called "Offizialdelikte" where the prosecutor is required by law to prosecute, the list includes all crimes and criminal offenses.

Maybe fighting abroad is included in the Dutch criminal offenses list.

But I don't really understand the necessity to arrest the man to investigate him.

I also think that people should be free to go fight abroad if they so wish. Fighting for what one believes in is a personal liberty from my point of view, even for Daesh supporters.

But in the latter case, I would then declare them as enemy fighters, cancel their passport and citizenship and not let them come back.

saying Western countries should not treat Deash fighters and Anti-Deash fighters differently is a good example of PC-induced paralysis of our countries.

Edited January 17, 2016 by manarak

[robblok]

No, the laws are applicable to all and always. If the laws are no good they have be changed, but selective application is really not good.

quite the contrary, as long as it's done openly.

in the US, the prosecutor has discretionary authority: http://law.jrank.org/pages/1870/Prosecution-Prosecutorial-Discretion.html

in Germany, Switzerland and Austria, the legal principle of "Nullo actore, nullus iudex" is applied, meaning if no authorized interested party sues, the courts don't get involved. There is a list of exceptions to the rule, called "Offizialdelikte" where the prosecutor is required by law to prosecute, the list includes all crimes and criminal offenses.

Maybe fighting abroad is included in the Dutch criminal offenses list.

But I don't really understand the necessity to arrest the man to investigate him.

I also think that people should be free to go fight abroad if they so wish. Fighting for what one believes in is a personal liberty from my point of view, even for Daesh supporters.

But in the latter case, I would then declare them as enemy fighters, cancel their passport and citizenship and not let them come back.

saying Western countries should not treat Deash fighters and Anti-Deash fighters differently is a good example of PC-induced paralysis of our countries.

I agree 100% with your post.. badly handled by my country. It shames me to see this.

[Humberstone]

If, as it’s alleged, that the YPG that this individual was fighting for was involved in war crimes in Syria (under investigation by the USA) then it’s right and proper that this person’s activities there should be investigated.

[MiKT]

If, as it’s alleged, that the YPG that this individual was fighting for was involved in war crimes in Syria (under investigation by the USA) then it’s right and proper that this person’s activities there should be investigated.

This appears to be the sensible thing to do. Far too much knee jerking here without all the facts.

On principle I hope he goes free, but I would have thought that the Dutch government are not inclined to prosecute on a whim, which some of you seem to be implying.

[MiKT]

I think this is absolutely shocking an ex soldier who in my opinion did what a lot of other people should be doing fighting a growing threat to western civilisation could be charged with murder what is the world coming to isil if not stopped now will take over Europe.

If he felt so strongly about it he could have enlisted in the syrian army. After all, they are the govt force fighting daesh.

But instead he preferrerd to be a mercenary.

You don't understand what freedom is,do you?

This man, his name is Jiske, is not a mercenary. He is one off the few people fighting agianst these terrorists.

And what are you doing today, sitting in the sun, enjoy your freedom?

You ever spend one moment in your life to think about where this freedom came from?

Shame one you, but just enjoy your next beer on your barstool!!!

Have a nice day, and btw this is from a combat veteran, so enjoy it!

It is bloody stupid to take cheap shots at people without knowing anything about them.

You say you are a combat veteran. I can say "oh yes? Maybe as a Serbian sniper" or more likely a Walter.

Are you enjoying your schnaps sitting with your finger in a dyke?

Edited January 18, 2016 by MiKT

[dutchisaan]

I think this is absolutely shocking an ex soldier who in my opinion did what a lot of other people should be doing fighting a growing threat to western civilisation could be charged with murder what is the world coming to isil if not stopped now will take over Europe.

If he felt so strongly about it he could have enlisted in the syrian army. After all, they are the govt force fighting daesh.

But instead he preferrerd to be a mercenary.

You don't understand what freedom is,do you?

This man, his name is Jiske, is not a mercenary. He is one off the few people fighting agianst these terrorists.

And what are you doing today, sitting in the sun, enjoy your freedom?

You ever spend one moment in your life to think about where this freedom came from?

Shame one you, but just enjoy your next beer on your barstool!!!

Have a nice day, and btw this is from a combat veteran, so enjoy it!

It is bloody stupid to take cheap shots at people without knowing anything about them.

You say you are a combat veteran. I can say "oh yes? Maybe as a Serbian sniper" or more likely a Walter.

Are you enjoying your schnaps sitting with your finger in a dyke?

Wow, I offended some person on this form!

Btw, I don't drink "schnaps",it is called jenever in The Netherlands, so you learned something again today.

And I just post my opinion on this form, the same you do.

If you feel offended than I'm sorry, but that is your problem.

I don't know what a walter is, so please enlight me with your knowledge.

And about the dike, where I put my finger in, ... Man she was beautifull!

Have a nice day.

ps, don't fall of your barstool!

[Rancid]

Is there still doubts that ISIS was created by the west? That's why few bombs ever fall on them and why a blind eye is turned to Turkey.

Jihadists are just moron psychopath storm troopers thinking they are doing one thing but being manipulated to create havoc and regime change.

An ugly reality that when accepted causes some very unpleasant introspection about who is good and evil.

[Andaman Al]

Stop the bus, I want to get off

I wonder if the Dutch prosecutors who are considering bringing the actions in the Netherlands are called Peter Van Henkleshman or Mohammed Al Getchaanywayican.

I bet the next move for the West 'created' ISIL will be to get them to turn North East and head for Iran to take out some of the oil fields now ramping up production.

Honestly the world is going to s**t on a shovel! This type of stuff could be the straw that breaks the camels back in a Europe that is being forced into increasingly extreme right wing politics. Keep your visa's up to date boys and girls, the European backlash/civil war is coming, it's not 'if', but 'when'. (and for our cousins across the pond, they will start it without any guns! That might not be how they end it though). Gold might start to look attractive again soon!

Edited January 18, 2016 by Andaman Al

[phantomfiddler]

Political correctness to the point of insanity ! Give the man his freedom and a medal