Migrants detained in Calais after illegally boarding ferry bound for Britain

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Migrants detained in Calais after illegally boarding ferry bound for Britain



"The jungle is for animals not people. We are refugees. We want to go to London, just the UK, not Canada, not the United States, just London"

CALAIS: -- French police escorted a group of migrants back to a camp in Calais after they had managed to break through security and board a ferry bound for England late on Saturday night.

Around 50 migrants were involved. Some were taken back to the camp known as the ‘jungle’, while 26 were detained by police.

“As you witnessed today – you were walking with us – you, the media, the police pushed you too,” said an Afghan man who boarded the ship. “When we got to the ship all of us here, we asked them to give us a chance to cross but we weren’t given that chance. They sprayed our faces and most of the guys now have eye problems.”

“Please listen to me,” said another. “We want to go to London. We don’t want to the jungle. The jungle is for animals not people. We are refugees. We want to go to London, just the UK, not Canada, not the United States, just London.”

The boarding of the ferry followed a rally in the city by around 2000 migrants and their supporters.

P&O Ferries tweeted that its ships in Calais were subjected to delays due to what it called a security incident.

One UK road haulage boss has now called on the French authorities to deploy soldiers to help to secure the port of Calais.

The region is the temporary home to about 4,000 migrants camped out in hopes of reaching a better life in Britain, across the English Channel.

Numerous migrants have died trying to make the crossing illegally.

On Saturday UK opposition leader “Jeremy Corbyn visited the camp and described the conditions there as ‘a distgrace’.

-- (c) Copyright Euronews 2016-01-25

[jaidam]

Why did they detain them? It is acknowledged these religious colonists are above the European laws. Any serious move to punish these criminals would be met by a chorus of "Nazi, racists etc" from the usual suspects. FTR the correct way to deal with the lawbreakers would be immediate deportation, in fact, regardless of their behavior, they should all be deported for making such a mockery of the true refugees (who are now in dire straits being universally despised thanks to these thugs).

[cooked]

The Daily Mail reports that there were 'British' anarchists among the detained. RT news (admittedly a Russian news source) published a video this morning, showing how sweet hearted these people are.

https://www.rt.com/news/329990-france-calais-refugees-video/

[NongKhaiKid]

I believe that many of these migrants crossed to Med to southern France and then headed north to Calais unhindered. The French did nothing to stop them it seems and don't seem inclined to start deportations but does want Britain to do more to help.

Seems to be the European anthem these days ' We got ourselves into trouble so everybody else should be helping out '.

The migrants are of course grumbling they're not being allowed to cross the Channel just because they want to but what nation wants new arrivals like this for whom laws don't apply to them, however they do have lots of ' understanding ' do gooders and high profile supporters on their side.

[FritsSikkink]

I believe that many of these migrants crossed to Med to southern France and then headed north to Calais unhindered. The French did nothing to stop them it seems and don't seem inclined to start deportations but does want Britain to do more to help.

Seems to be the European anthem these days ' We got ourselves into trouble so everybody else should be helping out '.

The migrants are of course grumbling they're not being allowed to cross the Channel just because they want to but what nation wants new arrivals like this for whom laws don't apply to them, however they do have lots of ' understanding ' do gooders and high profile supporters on their side.

overstayers on Thailand want the same

[clockman]

The frightening thing is most of these are young men. No women. Just storing up problems for the future!

[colinneil]

These people are not genuine migrants.

They are parasites. They break laws, have no respect for anyone or anything lawful.

[soc]

These so-called "refugees" are never going to give up pushing the buttons of the bleeding heart crowd.

The only way to discourage them is to shoot a couple of them & leave their bodies on display as an example to the others.

[cooked]

These so-called "refugees" are never going to give up pushing the buttons of the bleeding heart crowd.

The only way to discourage them is to shoot a couple of them & leave their bodies on display as an example to the others.

Hang on there mate. I agree with you only up to a point. I think you will agree that you have to have a pretty good reason for walking away from your home and travelling to a country whose wherabouts you are a bit vague about. The problem is not the immigrants themselves, but the system that allows them to get this far, allows them to hope that they will never have to do an honest day's work in their lives if they get to the UK. The EU has started to exert pressure on the UK to allow more of these people (those that have family for instance) enter which will do nothing to help stem this invasion. The French don't care what happens to them as long as they disappear and blame the UK for what is happening.

[Norvid 1950]

Who is for Islamization for EU? Anyone? http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7256/france-islamization

[SgtRock]

It is time to take the kid gloves off.

Enough is enough.

3 million expected in 2016.

[wabothai]

I believe that many of these migrants crossed to Med to southern France and then headed north to Calais unhindered. The French did nothing to stop them it seems and don't seem inclined to start deportations but does want Britain to do more to help.

Seems to be the European anthem these days ' We got ourselves into trouble so everybody else should be helping out '.

The migrants are of course grumbling they're not being allowed to cross the Channel just because they want to but what nation wants new arrivals like this for whom laws don't apply to them, however they do have lots of ' understanding ' do gooders and high profile supporters on their side.

. Check out utube videos on this.

Absolutely right. And average age 25

[wabothai]

When I look at reporter's videos on U-tube how these (only) boys are terrorizing truckers on their way to the ferries, I see a crowd of thugs. Moreover when we want to cross the Channel, we would have to pay for a ticket.

I fear for Europe.

[soc]

These so-called "refugees" are never going to give up pushing the buttons of the bleeding heart crowd.

The only way to discourage them is to shoot a couple of them & leave their bodies on display as an example to the others.

Hang on there mate. I agree with you only up to a point. I think you will agree that you have to have a pretty good reason for walking away from your home and travelling to a country whose wherabouts you are a bit vague about. The problem is not the immigrants themselves, but the system that allows them to get this far, allows them to hope that they will never have to do an honest day's work in their lives if they get to the UK. The EU has started to exert pressure on the UK to allow more of these people (those that have family for instance) enter which will do nothing to help stem this invasion. The French don't care what happens to them as long as they disappear and blame the UK for what is happening.

So how would you stop them?

No normal person wants them in their country.

Except the do-gooder fuzzy feeling crowd, who are then inflicting them on the rest of us.

l might have some compassion for these opportunists if they weren't so arrogant.

Expecting everything to be given to them & contributing nothing.

And then despising the countries that take them in & biting the hand that feeds them.

You've seen their actions in Germany.

Would you like something like that for your daughter?

lts about time that spineless politicians actually earned their massive salaries, listened to the people & permanently repatriated these parasites.

l await your illuminating response, with bated breath, what YOU would do to clear up this situation.

Don't be shy, you've got the stage.

[NongKhaiKid]

It's being reported that David Cameron is about to announce that within weeks Britain is set to take in thousands of unaccompanied children.

Great and as soon as a child is accepted any family will be demanding to join the child who ' really needs them ' and imagine the reaction if they are refused.

The humanitarian lobby will have a fit.

[cooked]

These so-called "refugees" are never going to give up pushing the buttons of the bleeding heart crowd.

The only way to discourage them is to shoot a couple of them & leave their bodies on display as an example to the others.

Hang on there mate. I agree with you only up to a point. I think you will agree that you have to have a pretty good reason for walking away from your home and travelling to a country whose wherabouts you are a bit vague about. The problem is not the immigrants themselves, but the system that allows them to get this far, allows them to hope that they will never have to do an honest day's work in their lives if they get to the UK. The EU has started to exert pressure on the UK to allow more of these people (those that have family for instance) enter which will do nothing to help stem this invasion. The French don't care what happens to them as long as they disappear and blame the UK for what is happening.

So how would you stop them?

No normal person wants them in their country.

Except the do-gooder fuzzy feeling crowd, who are then inflicting them on the rest of us.

l might have some compassion for these opportunists if they weren't so arrogant.

Expecting everything to be given to them & contributing nothing.

And then despising the countries that take them in & biting the hand that feeds them.

You've seen their actions in Germany.

Would you like something like that for your daughter?

lts about time that spineless politicians actually earned their massive salaries, listened to the people & permanently repatriated these parasites.

l await your illuminating response, with bated breath, what YOU would do to clear up this situation.

Don't be shy, you've got the stage.

My answer is that you are confusing cause with effect. The UK leaving Europe would or should, be part of the solution.

I don't have any illuminating responses, do you expect me to give you a three page answer? Anyway apprently I hurt your feelings (hate, mostly) so I do most sincerely beg your pardon. By the way, talking about arrogance...

[alocacoc]

Look at these crazy freaks. I would know how to stop this walking trash.

[soc]

These so-called "refugees" are never going to give up pushing the buttons of the bleeding heart crowd.

The only way to discourage them is to shoot a couple of them & leave their bodies on display as an example to the others.

Hang on there mate. I agree with you only up to a point. I think you will agree that you have to have a pretty good reason for walking away from your home and travelling to a country whose wherabouts you are a bit vague about. The problem is not the immigrants themselves, but the system that allows them to get this far, allows them to hope that they will never have to do an honest day's work in their lives if they get to the UK. The EU has started to exert pressure on the UK to allow more of these people (those that have family for instance) enter which will do nothing to help stem this invasion. The French don't care what happens to them as long as they disappear and blame the UK for what is happening.

So how would you stop them?

No normal person wants them in their country.

Except the do-gooder fuzzy feeling crowd, who are then inflicting them on the rest of us.

l might have some compassion for these opportunists if they weren't so arrogant.

Expecting everything to be given to them & contributing nothing.

And then despising the countries that take them in & biting the hand that feeds them.

You've seen their actions in Germany.

Would you like something like that for your daughter?

lts about time that spineless politicians actually earned their massive salaries, listened to the people & permanently repatriated these parasites.

l await your illuminating response, with bated breath, what YOU would do to clear up this situation.

Don't be shy, you've got the stage.

My answer is that you are confusing cause with effect. The UK leaving Europe would or should, be part of the solution.

I don't have any illuminating responses, do you expect me to give you a three page answer? Anyway apprently I hurt your feelings (hate, mostly) so I do most sincerely beg your pardon. By the way, talking about arrogance...

No you didn't hurt my feelings.

You may consider it hate, hate can be a very useful emotion.

Hate is not always wrong.

Without hate you would never get men to defend their women & children or their country in times of war.

You just confirmed what l said.

Another wishy-washy that won't face facts & makes excuses for these invaders & can't or won't accept what is happening.

Yes talking about arrogance……you were saying?

Also, l'm still waiting for your solution.

What makes you think that leaving Europe will make any difference?

Norway & Sweden are not in the EU & look at the problems that they have had since they opened their doors to all & sundry?

How would YOU stop unwanted immigration?

[cooked]

Hang on there mate. I agree with you only up to a point. I think you will agree that you have to have a pretty good reason for walking away from your home and travelling to a country whose wherabouts you are a bit vague about. The problem is not the immigrants themselves, but the system that allows them to get this far, allows them to hope that they will never have to do an honest day's work in their lives if they get to the UK. The EU has started to exert pressure on the UK to allow more of these people (those that have family for instance) enter which will do nothing to help stem this invasion. The French don't care what happens to them as long as they disappear and blame the UK for what is happening.

So how would you stop them?

No normal person wants them in their country.

Except the do-gooder fuzzy feeling crowd, who are then inflicting them on the rest of us.

l might have some compassion for these opportunists if they weren't so arrogant.

Expecting everything to be given to them & contributing nothing.

And then despising the countries that take them in & biting the hand that feeds them.

You've seen their actions in Germany.

Would you like something like that for your daughter?

lts about time that spineless politicians actually earned their massive salaries, listened to the people & permanently repatriated these parasites.

l await your illuminating response, with bated breath, what YOU would do to clear up this situation.

Don't be shy, you've got the stage.

My answer is that you are confusing cause with effect. The UK leaving Europe would or should, be part of the solution.

I don't have any illuminating responses, do you expect me to give you a three page answer? Anyway apprently I hurt your feelings (hate, mostly) so I do most sincerely beg your pardon. By the way, talking about arrogance...

No you didn't hurt my feelings.

You may consider it hate, hate can be a very useful emotion.

Hate is not always wrong.

Without hate you would never get men to defend their women & children or their country in times of war.

You just confirmed what l said.

Another wishy-washy that won't face facts & makes excuses for these invaders & can't or won't accept what is happening.

Yes talking about arrogance……you were saying?

Also, l'm still waiting for your solution.

What makes you think that leaving Europe will make any difference?

Norway & Sweden are not in the EU & look at the problems that they have had since they opened their doors to all & sundry?

How would YOU stop unwanted immigration?

Oh dear, you do like provoking people, don't you? Your hate certainly makes itself shown when you post.

People want to go to the UK because homeless and unemployed people in principle have the right to housing, social benefits and getting their family to join them after a year or two. This includes 'immigrants, whether legal or illegal. This is imposed upon them by European laws that the UK is powerless to change.

Wishy washy. Right. I am not making excuses for these people if you want to read my post again, but I do know that these problems have been forced on Europe by the EU which will probably soon become a very un-United Union.

Why are you expecting me to provide a solution? Do you feel like a big man when I don't answer your question? Here's a question for you: have yoou always been unpleasant or did you have unpleasantness forced upon you? Any way don't bother answering as I am placing your time wasting negativity on my ignore list. I did answer your post politely and you jumped right down my throat.

[Steely Dan]

I think the referendum for the UK to leave the EU will swing inevitably towards the UKIP view as the extent of EU folly becomes increasingly apparent. Even a UK Muslim charity visited Calais and concluded the people there were economic migrants and not refugees.

[7by7]

The UK is not part of the Schengen area; hence the immigration controls between France and the UK and why these migrants are camped in Calais and trying to enter the UK illegally. Once in the Schengen area they can freely travel into France; but they can't legally enter the UK without the appropriate UK entry clearance.

The EEA freedom of movement treaties and regulations only apply to EEA nationals and their qualifying non EEA national family members, if any. Obviously the migrants camped at Calais do not qualify for UK entry using these regulations or they would already be in the UK with their EEA national family member!

Neither the EU nor the EEA has any say or control over a member state's immigration rules or practices with regard to non EU or EEA nationals.

Human rights are not a matter for the EU nor EEA. The European Court of Human Rights is not a body of either organisation and members of it include many countries who are not EU nor EEA members. Not that human rights considerations would apply to many, if any, of these migrants as they would need to have close family members already legally in the UK in order to have any sort of case under the convention.

So leaving or staying in the EU will have absolutely no effect on this problem.

[Baerboxer]

I think the referendum for the UK to leave the EU will swing inevitably towards the UKIP view as the extent of EU folly becomes increasingly apparent. Even a UK Muslim charity visited Calais and concluded the people there were economic migrants and not refugees.

These illegal immigrants have been allowed to travel from outside Europe right up to the North coast of France. Unimpeded, without laws being enforced, and with basics provided free for them.

How can that be right? Looks like France, and the countries before them, simply want to pass them off to the UK.

These illegal immigrants, who have broken immigration law and are therefore criminals, who are mostly young, very aggressive males, quiet prepared to ignore the law and use violence, have never it seems been told that they simply can't just go to any country they fancy and demand everything they want free whilst behaving as they please.

France is a joke. The EU is becoming one, reminiscent of the old Eastern bloc where politicians were totally disconnected to the population to reality.

It is this, more than anything which will sway many British people to vote to leave the EU.

[Baerboxer]

The UK is not part of the Schengen area; hence the immigration controls between France and the UK and why these migrants are camped in Calais and trying to enter the UK illegally. Once in the Schengen area they can freely travel into France; but they can't legally enter the UK without the appropriate UK entry clearance.

The EEA freedom of movement treaties and regulations only apply to EEA nationals and their qualifying non EEA national family members, if any. Obviously the migrants camped at Calais do not qualify for UK entry using these regulations or they would already be in the UK with their EEA national family member!

Neither the EU nor the EEA has any say or control over a member state's immigration rules or practices with regard to non EU or EEA nationals.

Human rights are not a matter for the EU nor EEA. The European Court of Human Rights is not a body of either organisation and members of it include many countries who are not EU nor EEA members. Not that human rights considerations would apply to many, if any, of these migrants as they would need to have close family members already legally in the UK in order to have any sort of case under the convention.

So leaving or staying in the EU will have absolutely no effect on this problem.

I doubt many people will look that closely at what the situation is. The media won't bother explaining it as detailed or as well as you do.

They will simply see a camp in France with lots of illegals trying to get into the UK; and Merkel throwing open Germany and then demanding EU wide quotas etc. (UK doesn't have to accept any quota but people won't see it like that especially as other EU leaders are critical of Britain),

I expect illegal immigration to be played up by those advocating the UK leaving the EU, regardless of the realities.

[stoneyboy]

The voice of the British people will be heard when we vote for the Brexit.

Enough is Enough and that shall prevail.

[Ulic]

When you flee a country due to persecution or war you are a refugee, once you pass through of by a safe country you are now a migrant. Just my opinion and the way I see it.

[cooked]

The UK is not part of the Schengen area; hence the immigration controls between France and the UK and why these migrants are camped in Calais and trying to enter the UK illegally. Once in the Schengen area they can freely travel into France; but they can't legally enter the UK without the appropriate UK entry clearance.

The EEA freedom of movement treaties and regulations only apply to EEA nationals and their qualifying non EEA national family members, if any. Obviously the migrants camped at Calais do not qualify for UK entry using these regulations or they would already be in the UK with their EEA national family member!

Neither the EU nor the EEA has any say or control over a member state's immigration rules or practices with regard to non EU or EEA nationals.

Human rights are not a matter for the EU nor EEA. The European Court of Human Rights is not a body of either organisation and members of it include many countries who are not EU nor EEA members. Not that human rights considerations would apply to many, if any, of these migrants as they would need to have close family members already legally in the UK in order to have any sort of case under the convention.

So leaving or staying in the EU will have absolutely no effect on this problem.

Sorry. These people want to go to the Uk because of the social benefits that they immediately become eligible for. The UK wants to restrict these benefits drastically ( in other words get a bloody job first or at least learn to speak English). The EU won't let them.

[7by7]

You and the migrants in Calais may believe that they will immediately become eligible for a free house and a barrel load of cash as soon as they set foot in the UK; you are both wrong.

The UK is a civilised country and won't let asylum seekers starve on the streets; but what they receive is minimal: currently £36.95 per week.

They may eventually get a house or flat, but initially will be housed either in a detention centre, called 'hostels' by the government, or a miserable bed and breakfast somewhere.

Asylum Support; What you will get.

To get any of that the asylum seeker has to show that they are homeless and do not have the means to support themselves.

Of course, those who enter the UK illegally and do not claim asylum get nothing from the state.

The EU has absolutely no control over the UK's, or any other member state's, benefits system.

Other than the freedom of movement treaties which state what benefits EEA migrants can and cannot claim or receive in other EEA countries.

British citizens living in other EEA states benefit as much from those regulations as other EEA nationals living in the UK do.

Roughly 65,000 EEA nationals from the other 27 EEA member states are claiming JSA in the UK. Roughly 30,000 British citizens are claiming the equivalent in the 23 of those 27 states who provided figures. (Source)

All of which is irrelevant to this topic.

Those camped in Calais are not EEA nationals, so the EEA treaties and the regulations which arose from them do not apply to them.

[Richard W]

Norway & Sweden are not in the EU & look at the problems that they have had since they opened their doors to all & sundry?

Sweden is in the EU, and Norway is in the EEA. Both are in the Schengen area. Sweden has now instituted passport controls on its border with Denmark, so unwanted migrants without legal privileges in principle have to swim.

Sorry. These people want to go to the Uk because of the social benefits that they immediately become eligible for. The UK wants to restrict these benefits drastically ( in other words get a bloody job first or at least learn to speak English). The EU won't let them.

The EU has absolutely no control over the UK's, or any other member state's, benefits system.

Other than the freedom of movement treaties which state what benefits EEA migrants can and cannot claim or receive in other EEA countries.

British citizens living in other EEA states benefit as much from those regulations as other EEA nationals living in the UK do.

Roughly 65,000 EEA nationals from the other 27 EEA member states are claiming JSA in the UK. Roughly 30,000 British citizens are claiming the equivalent in the 23 of those 27 states who provided figures. (Source)

Those camped in Calais are not EEA nationals, so the EEA treaties and the regulations which arose from them do not apply to them.

The UK has the attractions of speaking English (a relatively well known language) and a reputation as a soft touch.

The UK has relatively low unemployment (partly due to not using the euro), is relatively rich, and has relatively generous benefits for those in work - 'outdoor relief' to those who know the history of English poor law. All these make it attractive to those who will be relatively low paid, especially if they are working legally. Cameron wants to restrict outdoor relief to those with a local connection, which under present rules takes a skill that British governments lack. Perhaps Merkel has been advising Cameron on artificial rules to achieve those ends.

The advantages of leaving the EEA are that EEA citizens will lose the right to work. I don't see leaving the EEA reducing the attractiveness of the UK to non-EEA migrants - unless departure harms the economy!

[cooked]

You and the migrants in Calais may believe that they will immediately become eligible for a free house and a barrel load of cash as soon as they set foot in the UK; you are both wrong.

The UK is a civilised country and won't let asylum seekers starve on the streets; but what they receive is minimal: currently £36.95 per week.

They may eventually get a house or flat, but initially will be housed either in a detention centre, called 'hostels' by the government, or a miserable bed and breakfast somewhere.

Asylum Support; What you will get.

To get any of that the asylum seeker has to show that they are homeless and do not have the means to support themselves.

Of course, those who enter the UK illegally and do not claim asylum get nothing from the state.

The EU has absolutely no control over the UK's, or any other member state's, benefits system.

Other than the freedom of movement treaties which state what benefits EEA migrants can and cannot claim or receive in other EEA countries.

British citizens living in other EEA states benefit as much from those regulations as other EEA nationals living in the UK do.

Roughly 65,000 EEA nationals from the other 27 EEA member states are claiming JSA in the UK. Roughly 30,000 British citizens are claiming the equivalent in the 23 of those 27 states who provided figures. (Source)

All of which is irrelevant to this topic.

Those camped in Calais are not EEA nationals, so the EEA treaties and the regulations which arose from them do not apply to them.

Ok I'll give you credit for that one. It does remain a fact that these people believe the UK to be the land of milk and honey. I listened to a report from a French policeman this morning saying that what causes him most unrest is extreme left wingers coming fron Denmark, Germany and the UK stirring things up in the camps, which have also become havens for drug dealers.200 policemen had to go into a camp two days ago after about twenty shots were fired, three people were shot and two were stabbed. The French are increasingly thinking that this should be a UK problem and not a French one.

[7by7]

<snip>

The UK has the attractions of speaking English (a relatively well known language) and a reputation as a soft touch.

Agreed, English is a major factor in the attraction of the UK to migrants, whether they be economic or genuine refugees.

The 'soft touch' reputation probably also plays a part; but, as those who do make it to the UK discover, it's a false reputation.

The UK has relatively low unemployment (partly due to not using the euro), is relatively rich, and has relatively generous benefits for those in work - 'outdoor relief' to those who know the history of English poor law. All these make it attractive to those who will be relatively low paid, especially if they are working legally. Cameron wants to restrict outdoor relief to those with a local connection, which under present rules takes a skill that British governments lack. Perhaps Merkel has been advising Cameron on artificial rules to achieve those ends.

Most of those in work benefits are not available to non EEA national immigrants, no matter how they entered the country, until they have ILR. Which, as you know, can take 10 years for someone who entered other than by the family route to obtain.

Some are, such as tax credits; but only if claimed jointly with a British citizen or UK resident, i.e. ILR or PR holder, spouse or partner.

The advantages of leaving the EEA are that EEA citizens will lose the right to work. I don't see leaving the EEA reducing the attractiveness of the UK to non-EEA migrants - unless departure harms the economy!

As you know, the EU and EEA are two different entities.

Leaving the EU alone will not affect the freedom of movement rights other EEA nationals enjoy in the UK and British nationals enjoy in other EEA countries.

One thing which is rarely mentioned by those who want the UK to restrict or remove the treaty rights of other EEA nationals in the UK is the approx. 1.5 million British citizens who are currently exercising their treaty rights in other EEA states!

It is possible that the UK would not withdraw from the relevant treaties even if it left both the EU and the EEA. After all, Switzerland is not a member of either the EU nor the EEA, but has a free movement agreement with both.

But, as already said, none of this has any relevance to this topic. The migrants camped out in Calais and elsewhere are not EEA nationals so the UK's membership of the EU and the EEA will have negligible effect on this problem; if any at all.

Cooked,

I'm sure that the French would be delighted if they could find a way of moving all these migrants camped on their soil to the UK!

They got to France because France is in the Schengen Area, and once they got into the Schengen Area, by whatever means, there were no border or immigration controls for them to pass through.

The UK is not in the Schengen Area, so anyone entering the UK, whether from Europe or elsewhere, passes through UK immigration; unless they enter illegally.

We also have the advantage of being an island; so they can't simply walk across the border.