Five Palestinians killed 'after attacking Israelis'

[stillbornagain]

Indeed. Islamic Terrorism must be stopped by all means necessary.

What a load of nonsense. These are people in their own land attacking a colonial power Conflating them with people who travel to other lands to wage war in the name of Islam is utter and obvious nonsense. Were native Americans terrorists when they attacked settlers. Algerians who attacked French colonialists? Kenyans who attacked the British? ANC members who attacked the Boers in South Africa? And on and on... Such actions are almost inevitable in any situation where colonialization is taking place. Invoking Islam as the motivating force in attacks on Israelis is nonsense.

[RuamRudy]

Terrorists deserve the treatment they get. Age doesn't matter. Sex doesn't matter. They are murderers full stop.

Indeed. Islamic Terrorism must be stopped by all means necessary.

Why only Islamic terrorists? How about condemning all forms of terrorism from all perpetrators? If we had a bit more of that, possibly we wouldn't have near as many of the atrocities we read about daily.

Apologists for Islamic terrorism will do ANYTHING to cloud the issue. Stop splitting hairs.

Apologists for apartheid use every trick in the book to try to play the victim card over and over again. Thankfully more and more people are waking up to the truth.

[Jingthing]

Indeed. Islamic Terrorism must be stopped by all means necessary.

What a load of nonsense. These are people in their own land attacking a colonial power Conflating them with people who travel to other lands to wage war in the name of Islam is utter and obvious nonsense. Were native Americans terrorists when they attacked settlers. Algerians who attacked French colonialists? Kenyans who attacked the British? ANC members who attacked the Boers in South Africa? And on and on... Such actions are almost inevitable in any situation where colonialization is taking place. Invoking Islam as the motivating force in attacks on Israelis is nonsense.

You're seriously suggesting JEWS don't belong in ISRAEL!?!

Jewish people are INDIGENOUS to the region.

Colonialists colonize for another country. Israel is the country of the Jews ... not the same as those other examples.

Yes, there are border disputes and a long conflict, but your narrative is just hateful and suggests the Jewish people don't deserve to have a homeland and that ISRAEL isn't the obvious place for that homeland, based on history, going back for thousands of years.

Arabs and Muslims have over 50 nations with majorities. No whining about that. Jews only the one.

As far as the motivations for the recent sort of intifada, it is well known that is a mixture of Islamic motivations based on the Temple Mount, frustrations about both the Israeli government AND the Palestinian leadership as well.

Edited February 15, 2016 by Jingthing

[metisdead]

Some more troll posts have been removed.

[stillbornagain]

Indeed. Islamic Terrorism must be stopped by all means necessary.

What a load of nonsense. These are people in their own land attacking a colonial power Conflating them with people who travel to other lands to wage war in the name of Islam is utter and obvious nonsense. Were native Americans terrorists when they attacked settlers. Algerians who attacked French colonialists? Kenyans who attacked the British? ANC members who attacked the Boers in South Africa? And on and on... Such actions are almost inevitable in any situation where colonialization is taking place. Invoking Islam as the motivating force in attacks on Israelis is nonsense.

You're seriously suggesting JEWS don't belong in ISRAEL!?!

Jewish people are INDIGENOUS to the region.

Colonialists colonize for another country. Israel is the country of the Jews ... not the same as those other examples.

Yes, there are border disputes and a long conflict, but your narrative is just hateful and suggests the Jewish people don't deserve to have a homeland and that ISRAEL isn't the obvious place for that homeland, based on history, going back for thousands of years.

Arabs and Muslims have over 50 nations with majorities. No whining about that. Jews only the one.

As far as the motivations for the recent sort of intifada, it is well known that is a mixture of Islamic motivations based on the Temple Mount, frustrations about both the Israeli government AND the Palestinian leadership as well.

I never said anything about Jews. I was discussing Israel's illegal colonization of the West Bank. Israel has treated Palestinians in the West Bank shamefully since it began its illegal occupation. What do you expect these people to do? Just roll over and accept it?

But what's really interesting here is your equating Israelis with Jews. You may not be aware of this, but some Israeils are Arabs. It's true that Israel treats them badly, too, but still, they are citizens there as well. Not as many as there should be since lots were driven out by the Israelis in the first war and illegally prevented from returning.

[Jingthing]

Indeed. Islamic Terrorism must be stopped by all means necessary.

What a load of nonsense. These are people in their own land attacking a colonial power Conflating them with people who travel to other lands to wage war in the name of Islam is utter and obvious nonsense. Were native Americans terrorists when they attacked settlers. Algerians who attacked French colonialists? Kenyans who attacked the British? ANC members who attacked the Boers in South Africa? And on and on... Such actions are almost inevitable in any situation where colonialization is taking place. Invoking Islam as the motivating force in attacks on Israelis is nonsense.

You're seriously suggesting JEWS don't belong in ISRAEL!?!

Jewish people are INDIGENOUS to the region.

Colonialists colonize for another country. Israel is the country of the Jews ... not the same as those other examples.

Yes, there are border disputes and a long conflict, but your narrative is just hateful and suggests the Jewish people don't deserve to have a homeland and that ISRAEL isn't the obvious place for that homeland, based on history, going back for thousands of years.

Arabs and Muslims have over 50 nations with majorities. No whining about that. Jews only the one.

As far as the motivations for the recent sort of intifada, it is well known that is a mixture of Islamic motivations based on the Temple Mount, frustrations about both the Israeli government AND the Palestinian leadership as well.

I never said anything about Jews. I was discussing Israel's illegal colonization of the West Bank. Israel has treated Palestinians in the West Bank shamefully since it began its illegal occupation. What do you expect these people to do? Just roll over and accept it?

But what's really interesting here is your equating Israelis with Jews. You may not be aware of this, but some Israeils are Arabs. It's true that Israel treats them badly, too, but still, they are citizens there as well. Not as many as there should be since lots were driven out by the Israelis in the first war and illegally prevented from returning.

Don't be so disingenuous.

Would you be interested in this topic at all if Israel wasn't a Jewish state and this was a Muslim on Muslim thing?

Of course, duh, Israel includes 20 percent Arabs, and the vast majority would choose to stay in Israel if Palestine would be a state. So horrible for them ... not really, is it?

Clearly your narrative of the history is rooted in Israel demonization propaganda.

You know about the Jewish nakba from so many Arab and Muslim lands? For the demonization agenda, it's only one side. Israel painted as the villian. No balance. No interest in supporting the right of Israel to exist.

Of course Israel is associated with Jews. It's the world's only Jewish state. It's the homeland of the Jewish people. It's the manifestation of the Zionist political ideology supporting political self determination for the Jewish people. Did it work out perfectly? Of course not. What human endeavor does. Also, that doesn't mean it's 100 percent Jews. Unlike the stated Palestinian goal of a state with no Jews, very much like the Nazis.

Edited February 15, 2016 by Jingthing

[stillbornagain]

I never said anything about Jews. I was discussing Israel's illegal colonization of the West Bank. Israel has treated Palestinians in the West Bank shamefully since it began its illegal occupation. What do you expect these people to do? Just roll over and accept it?

But what's really interesting here is your equating Israelis with Jews. You may not be aware of this, but some Israeils are Arabs. It's true that Israel treats them badly, too, but still, they are citizens there as well. Not as many as there should be since lots were driven out by the Israelis in the first war and illegally prevented from returning.

Don't be so disingenuous.

Would you be interested in this topic at all if Israel wasn't a Jewish state and this was a Muslim on Muslim thing?

Of course, duh, Israel includes 20 percent Arabs, and the vast majority would choose to stay in Israel if Palestine would be a state. So horrible for them ... not really, is it?

Clearly your narrative of the history is rooted in Israel demonization propaganda.

You know about the Jewish nakba from so many Arab and Muslim lands? For the demonization agenda, it's only one side. Israel painted as the villian. No balance. No interest in supporting the right if Israel to exist.

Yes me and 99% all scholars of International Law are Jew haters. Especially the Jewish scholars.. Still, you could probably get John Yoo to support your position.

And it was nice how you ducked my criticisms and went for ad hominem attacks instead.

Edited February 15, 2016 by stillbornagain

[jesimps]

The IDF are heavily armed soldiers illegally occupying the West Bank daily humiliating, beating, and murdering the Palestinian residents who are bravely resisting the occupation as best they can, just as every other people in the world have resisted invaders. It is time the world woke up to the barbaric and disgusting Israeli thuggery.End the occupation, Israel. Get to your own side of the border and leave the Palestinians in peace.

Palestinians could have peace tomorrow if they so wanted, but they've vowed to destroy Israel. Please don't keep on with the left wing blx by making out that they're all peace loving normal people.

[stillbornagain]

The IDF are heavily armed soldiers illegally occupying the West Bank daily humiliating, beating, and murdering the Palestinian residents who are bravely resisting the occupation as best they can, just as every other people in the world have resisted invaders. It is time the world woke up to the barbaric and disgusting Israeli thuggery.End the occupation, Israel. Get to your own side of the border and leave the Palestinians in peace.

Palestinians could have peace tomorrow if they so wanted, but they've vowed to destroy Israel. Please don't keep on with the left wing blx by making out that they're all peace loving normal people.

And what form would that peace take exactly? You mean they could roll over and play dead as Israel illegally confiscates their homes and land? South African blacks could have done the same. Would that have been your advice to them?

[jesimps]

...attacked...tried to attack....were thinking of attacking.....

..I guess they have to be portrayed as crazed to justify the way they are being treated....

...unarmed teens....and a female.....

...attacking fully armed soldiers......

....who can refute it.....

Teenagers are old enough to know that if you attack fully armed soldiers you're liable to end up fully dead. I don't have one ounce of sympathy for terrorists, young or old.

[Jingthing]

...attacked...tried to attack....were thinking of attacking.....

..I guess they have to be portrayed as crazed to justify the way they are being treated....

...unarmed teens....and a female.....

...attacking fully armed soldiers......

....who can refute it.....

Teenagers are old enough to know that if you attack fully armed soldiers you're liable to end up fully dead. I don't have one ounce of sympathy for terrorists, young or old.

Of course they were asking to be killed and they were fully aware of that probable outcome. Their culture is into that martyr stuff. They become heroes in death. They have grand funerals. Maybe a street named after them. The family gets status. But I prefer not to call those who attack armed soldiers as terrorists. Attacks on civilians, yes.

Edited February 15, 2016 by Jingthing

[stillbornagain]

...attacked...tried to attack....were thinking of attacking.....

..I guess they have to be portrayed as crazed to justify the way they are being treated....

...unarmed teens....and a female.....

...attacking fully armed soldiers......

....who can refute it.....

Teenagers are old enough to know that if you attack fully armed soldiers you're liable to end up fully dead. I don't have one ounce of sympathy for terrorists, young or old.

So now, people who attack soldiers are terrorists? I remember when the US was in Iraq and it called the people who attacked US soldiers terrorists. Terrorists are people who attack civilians. When an irregular group of combatants attacks soldiers they're called guerillas.

[jesimps]

The IDF are heavily armed soldiers illegally occupying the West Bank daily humiliating, beating, and murdering the Palestinian residents who are bravely resisting the occupation as best they can, just as every other people in the world have resisted invaders. It is time the world woke up to the barbaric and disgusting Israeli thuggery.End the occupation, Israel. Get to your own side of the border and leave the Palestinians in peace.

Palestinians could have peace tomorrow if they so wanted, but they've vowed to destroy Israel. Please don't keep on with the left wing blx by making out that they're all peace loving normal people.

And what form would that peace take exactly? You mean they could roll over and play dead as Israel illegally confiscates their homes and land? South African blacks could have done the same. Would that have been your advice to them?

If someone was attempting to destroy me and my country I'd have no hesitation about occupying strategic bits of their land.

Please don't bang on about SA the thread's about Israelis and Palestinians.

[stillbornagain]

The IDF are heavily armed soldiers illegally occupying the West Bank daily humiliating, beating, and murdering the Palestinian residents who are bravely resisting the occupation as best they can, just as every other people in the world have resisted invaders. It is time the world woke up to the barbaric and disgusting Israeli thuggery.End the occupation, Israel. Get to your own side of the border and leave the Palestinians in peace.

Palestinians could have peace tomorrow if they so wanted, but they've vowed to destroy Israel. Please don't keep on with the left wing blx by making out that they're all peace loving normal people.

And what form would that peace take exactly? You mean they could roll over and play dead as Israel illegally confiscates their homes and land? South African blacks could have done the same. Would that have been your advice to them?

If someone was attempting to destroy me and my country I'd have no hesitation about occupying strategic bits of their land.

Please don't bang on about SA the thread's about Israelis and Palestinians.

It isn't just "bits" and the Israeilis are not just occupying, they're colonizing. As for not invoking SA, you said you have no sympathy for terrorists. Well, lots of what the ANC did qualifies as terrorism. As did the activities of lots of other anti-colonialist groups. You can't have it both ways.

Edited February 15, 2016 by stillbornagain

[RuamRudy]

The IDF are heavily armed soldiers illegally occupying the West Bank daily humiliating, beating, and murdering the Palestinian residents who are bravely resisting the occupation as best they can, just as every other people in the world have resisted invaders. It is time the world woke up to the barbaric and disgusting Israeli thuggery.End the occupation, Israel. Get to your own side of the border and leave the Palestinians in peace.

Palestinians could have peace tomorrow if they so wanted, but they've vowed to destroy Israel. Please don't keep on with the left wing blx by making out that they're all peace loving normal people.

And what form would that peace take exactly? You mean they could roll over and play dead as Israel illegally confiscates their homes and land? South African blacks could have done the same. Would that have been your advice to them?

If someone was attempting to destroy me and my country I'd have no hesitation about occupying strategic bits of their land.

Please don't bang on about SA the thread's about Israelis and Palestinians.

Why should we not draw parallels with other crimes against humanity? Call it like it truly is.

[RuamRudy]

The IDF are heavily armed soldiers illegally occupying the West Bank daily humiliating, beating, and murdering the Palestinian residents who are bravely resisting the occupation as best they can, just as every other people in the world have resisted invaders. It is time the world woke up to the barbaric and disgusting Israeli thuggery.End the occupation, Israel. Get to your own side of the border and leave the Palestinians in peace.

Palestinians could have peace tomorrow if they so wanted, but they've vowed to destroy Israel. Please don't keep on with the left wing blx by making out that they're all peace loving normal people.

And what form would that peace take exactly? You mean they could roll over and play dead as Israel illegally confiscates their homes and land? South African blacks could have done the same. Would that have been your advice to them?

If someone was attempting to destroy me and my country I'd have no hesitation about occupying strategic bits of their land.

Please don't bang on about SA the thread's about Israelis and Palestinians.

It isn't just "bits" and the Israeilis are not just occupying, they're colonizing. As for not invoking SA, you said you have no sympathy for terrorists. Well, lots of what the ANC did qualifies as terrorism. As did the activities of lots of other anti-colonialist groups. You can't have it both ways.

How about looking into the origins of Likud? Begin was an out and out child murdering terrorist. I presume that you included him in your list of bogeymen?

[Norvid 1950]

The BBC as ThaiVisa reporting makes more details about those killed by Israeli army. If these events happen in the US, Canada, EU, the army solders will be prosecuted for the crime. Knife even if existed, is no match for fully armed solder, especially 14 years old girls, or 15 years old boys.

The real question is: WHO IS THE TERRORIST? In any book of history teaching, any historians, any logic we know one truth: AN OCCUPANT IS A TERRORIST. FREEDOM-FIGHTER IS A HERO AND NEVER A TERRORIST.

French freedom fighters with Gen. Charles de Gaulle against the Germans in occupied France is a one example. In our history as humans we have plenty of these examples. The American Revolution against the British. 1831 November Uprising against the Tsarists Russia in partitioned Poland. 1863 January Uprising against German-Russian-Austro/Hungary in partitioned Poland. 1944 Warsaw Uprising of Home Army of 200, 000 strong against German occupying forces, where as a matter of fact my father was an active commending officer.

What do those uprisings have in common? They fight the occupier, who took their land, their houses, their means of production, imprison them, killed them, send to a concentration camps, send to Siberia, made arrests during 24/7 and on and on.

Why do I recall these? Simply this should rem,ind everybody of the Palestinian people, their land, their property, imprisonment, and a concentration camps for over 40 years they are in.

The answer to the question: who is the terrorist? Now you have an answer.

[Jingthing]

No, I think it's normal in most of the world for knife attacks to be returned with deadly force by police or soldiers.

Besides, as I said, the attackers know that too. They are asking for it. They look forward to their families enjoying their heroic funerals.

[dexterm]

Indeed. Islamic Terrorism must be stopped by all means necessary.

What a load of nonsense. These are people in their own land attacking a colonial power Conflating them with people who travel to other lands to wage war in the name of Islam is utter and obvious nonsense. Were native Americans terrorists when they attacked settlers. Algerians who attacked French colonialists? Kenyans who attacked the British? ANC members who attacked the Boers in South Africa? And on and on... Such actions are almost inevitable in any situation where colonialization is taking place. Invoking Islam as the motivating force in attacks on Israelis is nonsense.

You're seriously suggesting JEWS don't belong in ISRAEL!?!

Jewish people are INDIGENOUS to the region.

Colonialists colonize for another country. Israel is the country of the Jews ... not the same as those other examples.

Yes, there are border disputes and a long conflict, but your narrative is just hateful and suggests the Jewish people don't deserve to have a homeland and that ISRAEL isn't the obvious place for that homeland, based on history, going back for thousands of years.

Arabs and Muslims have over 50 nations with majorities. No whining about that. Jews only the one.

As far as the motivations for the recent sort of intifada, it is well known that is a mixture of Islamic motivations based on the Temple Mount, frustrations about both the Israeli government AND the Palestinian leadership as well.

Absolute nonsense. Judaism is a religion not a race. Jews, just like every other religion, can and do live successfully in every corner of the globe. They do not need to colonize Palestine, displacing and killing the resident Palestinian population as in the OP. Many religions have associations with Palestine. That popular work of fiction, the Bible, is not a real estate title deed.

Edited February 15, 2016 by dexterm

[wabothai]

No, I think it's normal in most of the world for knife attacks to be returned with deadly force by police or soldiers.

Besides, as I said, the attackers know that too. They are asking for it. They look forward to their families enjoying their heroic funerals.

Not where I come from

[i claudius]

Indeed. Islamic Terrorism must be stopped by all means necessary.

What a load of nonsense. These are people in their own land attacking a colonial power Conflating them with people who travel to other lands to wage war in the name of Islam is utter and obvious nonsense. Were native Americans terrorists when they attacked settlers. Algerians who attacked French colonialists? Kenyans who attacked the British? ANC members who attacked the Boers in South Africa? And on and on... Such actions are almost inevitable in any situation where colonialization is taking place. Invoking Islam as the motivating force in attacks on Israelis is nonsense.

You're seriously suggesting JEWS don't belong in ISRAEL!?!

Jewish people are INDIGENOUS to the region.

Colonialists colonize for another country. Israel is the country of the Jews ... not the same as those other examples.

Yes, there are border disputes and a long conflict, but your narrative is just hateful and suggests the Jewish people don't deserve to have a homeland and that ISRAEL isn't the obvious place for that homeland, based on history, going back for thousands of years.

Arabs and Muslims have over 50 nations with majorities. No whining about that. Jews only the one.

As far as the motivations for the recent sort of intifada, it is well known that is a mixture of Islamic motivations based on the Temple Mount, frustrations about both the Israeli government AND the Palestinian leadership as well.

Absolute nonsense. Judaism is a religion not a race. Jews, just like every other religion, can and do live successfully in every corner of the globe. They do not need to colonize Palestine, displacing and killing the resident Palestinian population as in the OP. Many religions have associations with Palestine. That popular work of fiction, the Bible, is not a real estate title deed.

That popular work of fiction the bible? is that the same as that popular work of fiction the Koran?

[stillbornagain]

Absolute nonsense. Judaism is a religion not a race. Jews, just like every other religion, can and do live successfully in every corner of the globe. They do not need to colonize Palestine, displacing and killing the resident Palestinian population as in the OP. Many religions have associations with Palestine. That popular work of fiction, the Bible, is not a real estate title deed.

You're seriously suggesting JEWS don't belong in ISRAEL!?!

What a load of nonsense. These are people in their own land attacking a colonial power Conflating them with people who travel to other lands to wage war in the name of Islam is utter and obvious nonsense. Were native Americans terrorists when they attacked settlers. Algerians who attacked French colonialists? Kenyans who attacked the British? ANC members who attacked the Boers in South Africa? And on and on... Such actions are almost inevitable in any situation where colonialization is taking place. Invoking Islam as the motivating force in attacks on Israelis is nonsense.

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Jewish people are INDIGENOUS to the region.

Colonialists colonize for another country. Israel is the country of the Jews ... not the same as those other examples.

Yes, there are border disputes and a long conflict, but your narrative is just hateful and suggests the Jewish people don't deserve to have a homeland and that ISRAEL isn't the obvious place for that homeland, based on history, going back for thousands of years.

Arabs and Muslims have over 50 nations with majorities. No whining about that. Jews only the one.

As far as the motivations for the recent sort of intifada, it is well known that is a mixture of Islamic motivations based on the Temple Mount, frustrations about both the Israeli government AND the Palestinian leadership as well.

That popular work of fiction the bible? is that the same as that popular work of fiction the Koran?

same imaginary author

[Jingthing]

Jews are an ethnoreligious people. I'm 100 percent Jew and 0 percent religious. A large percentage of the Jewish people in Israel and globally are secular to various degrees.