12-year-old British Girl Missing in Thailand Found

[MaeJoMTB]

It's amazing how many are prepared to believe that the mother is at fault in this case and that the father was right to take her away.

That might be the case, we don't know.

However the willingness to believe the only ones at fault must be the evil empire of social services, the girl's mother and the british judiciary is astounding.

Especially as we have jacks##t information to base these assumptions upon.

Not really amazing considering ThaiVias is made up of strong and vocal contingent of bitter older men with broken marriages back in the west who consider themselves blameless and the evil witches women to be at fault for everything. Throw in some anti-government paranoia and you've got their perfect topic.

50% of marriages end in divorce, if you're an older man, you're probably divorced.

Generally divorce in the west is female driven. Not many men get custody.

If you aren't already a "bitter older man with a broken marriage", just wait a bit longer, it's coming.

(Unless you're lucky enough to die first)

As for anti-government paranoia ....

Do you really think your government has your best interests at heart?

PS

I don't consider myself bitter,

I'm way better off with my new younger wife, and my new younger children, in my new warmer country.

The former misses in the UK is welcome to the money and the baggage that came with it, not to mention the cold wet weather.

Edited March 10, 2016 by MaeJoMTB

[Britannia]

This is not about what the father wants, its about the happiness and heart of the girl, if he has been a good father and she loves him as being the only one that has taken care of her and wants to be with him, then that is what should be, if not then again her wishes. The lady claiming to being the mother should pay something for the lost 10.5 years not in monetary terms but in duty and now is her chance, If she is a hoaxer then she has made her own Karma

[Rumblecat]

No, I don't believe all government continually has the best interests of people at heart, but I don't believe social services are 'out to get' men either. And there's a definite line between realism and paranoia

And I was just referring to the bitter part of that demographic- I wasn't saying all divorced older men are bitter and apologise if that's how it came across (although sadly in the real world most of the ones I run into in Bangkok are.

Edited March 10, 2016 by Maestro
Deleted off-topic part of the post.

[Shadychris]

 

It's amazing how many are prepared to believe that the mother is at fault in this case and that the father was right to take her away.

That might be the case, we don't know.

However the willingness to believe the only ones at fault must be the evil empire of social services, the girl's mother and the british judiciary is astounding.

Especially as we have jacks##t information to base these assumptions upon.

Not really amazing considering ThaiVias is made up of strong and vocal contingent of bitter older men with broken marriages back in the west who consider themselves blameless and the evil witches women to be at fault for everything. Throw in some anti-government paranoia and you've got their perfect topic.

50% of marriages end in divorce, if you're an older man, you're probably divorced.

Generally divorce in the west is female driven. Not many men get custody.

If you aren't already a "bitter older man with a broken marriage", just wait a bit longer, it's coming.

(Unless you're lucky enough to die first)

As for anti-government paranoia ....

Do you really think your government has your best interests at heart?

PS

I don't consider myself bitter,

I'm way better off with my new younger wife, and my new younger children, in my new warmer country.

The former misses in the UK is welcome to the money and the baggage that came with it, not to mention the cold wet weather.

 

If you are going to quote figures at least quote accurate ones!

The last figures available for percentage of failed marriages are from 2012, and the figure is actually 42% not 50%.

As usual with percentages it is not a particularly useful or informative figure - it gives the impression to simple minded people that half of all marriages end in divorce. But what it really shows is that for each year, an equivalent of half the number of people getting married get divorced - rather than half of all the married people in the country. You need to look at the underlying data and charts to see how that figure was derived.

It is far more appropriate to look at the rate of divorces per 1000 married people - which in 2012 was just 10.8 per 1000 married people in the country. That figure has also been trending downwards since 2004 when it stood at 14. Typically the numbers have high peaks when the economy is in recession. It would be fair to assume that number currently stands at around 9 per 1000 married people.

So in terms of percentages, assuming the usual 2 people in a marriage, that gives you 9 of every 500 marriages failed - or 1.8%.

Edited March 10, 2016 by Shadychris

[perdido]

Chiang Mai has a British Consulate?

I has been closed for sometime. When was it reopened.

....has you?...sorry to hear ....

[michel lefever]

the british consulate in chiang mai was closed on 16 may 2015,never seen any news stating it re opened since then.

[cyberfarang]

Correction: Zara was not with a foster family but lived in the home of his father in England. From article in a British paper:

Police say Arisara Miles, who is known as 'Zara', travelled to Thailand with her father, Trevor Miles, without permission.

They left their home in Exeter and flew to Bangkok on November 10 last year. Her whereabouts since then are not known.

Source: http://www.cornishguardian.co.uk/Devon-Cornwall-police-appeal/story-28856191-detail/story.html

Without whose permission did Zara travel with her father to Thailand? It would seem that it was the unnamed British government agency that refused to give permission or perhaps wasn't even asked for permission.

He wouldn`t have got permission from those eccentric leftist social workers and Fascist rule alleged child protection agencies that consider fathers of broken relationships as criminals who should be crucified for their sins. If the child is a ward of court or his female partner has full custody he will be denied all rights to make decisions for his 12 year old daughter and skinned alive by the system.

He was right to have got out and try to make a life for himself and daughter somewhere else. I remember a case about 2 years ago when there was a child custody battle between an English father and a Russian mother involving a 9 year old boy. The British court awarded full custody to the Russian mother who was in Moscow. The police escorted the father and his son to the airport and made the boy board a plane to be with his mother in Russia. The boy was screaming for his father clinging on to his leg. The police forcibly ripping the boy away and putting him on the plane with the boy screaming for his dad right up to the bitter end. It was heartbreaking to watch.

I know on these forums the subject of Thai women ripping Farlangs off crops up often, but at least these are a one offs and a drop in the ocean compared to how men from failed relationships and fallen foul of their female partners are treated in the UK. For them paying the price is a life sentence of financial and emotional hell, most never recover from it. I`ve been there and I bet many of you have also. This is why I have sympathy for the father and fear for what the British authorities have planned for him if he`s forced to return.

[IAMHERE]

Nice place Phayao

True..and with the best Italian restaurant in the world...Mine.

An earlier post indicated mother went off with an Italian. Got to wonder if their is a connection. I like Italian food. Hope Thailand stands up to the UK.

[SOTIRIOS]

....nice to hear the whole story......not....

...here we go with 'legal' and 'illegal'.....and 'mother' versus 'father'.....

[Bluespunk]

Correction: Zara was not with a foster family but lived in the home of his father in England. From article in a British paper:

Police say Arisara Miles, who is known as 'Zara', travelled to Thailand with her father, Trevor Miles, without permission.

They left their home in Exeter and flew to Bangkok on November 10 last year. Her whereabouts since then are not known.

Source: http://www.cornishguardian.co.uk/Devon-Cornwall-police-appeal/story-28856191-detail/story.html

Without whose permission did Zara travel with her father to Thailand? It would seem that it was the unnamed British government agency that refused to give permission or perhaps wasn't even asked for permission.

He wouldn`t have got permission from those eccentric leftist social workers and Fascist rule alleged child protection agencies that consider fathers of broken relationships as criminals who should be crucified for their sins. If the child is a ward of court or his female partner has full custody he will be denied all rights to make decisions for his 12 year old daughter and skinned alive by the system.

He was right to have got out and try to make a life for himself and daughter somewhere else. I remember a case about 2 years ago when there was a child custody battle between an English father and a Russian mother involving a 9 year old boy. The British court awarded full custody to the Russian mother who was in Moscow. The police escorted the father and his son to the airport and made the boy board a plane to be with his mother in Russia. The boy was screaming for his father clinging on to his leg. The police forcibly ripping the boy away and putting him on the plane with the boy screaming for his dad right up to the bitter end. It was heartbreaking to watch.

I know on these forums the subject of Thai women ripping Farlangs off crops up often, but at least these are a one offs and a drop in the ocean compared to how men from failed relationships and fallen foul of their female partners are treated in the UK. For them paying the price is a life sentence of financial and emotional hell, most never recover from it. I`ve been there and I bet many of you have also. This is why I have sympathy for the father and fear for what the British authorities have planned for him if he`s forced to return.

Leftist social workers and fascist rule? Yeah right...

Should have stopped reading at that point, but sometimes a post pushes the boundaries of rational thought so much you can't stop yourself.

Wish I had now.

[MaeJoMTB]

^^

Somehow I don't think you've encountered these people.

And yes, I agree, I wouldn't have imagined it either ..... until it happened to me.

[Bluespunk]

^^

Somehow I don't think you've encountered these people.

And yes, I agree, I wouldn't have imagined it either ..... until it happened to me.

I've seen the results of no one being there to intervene. That was enough for me.

[Kerryd]

The information re the British Consul in Chiang Mai is out of date - there is none, honorary or otherwise - it was closed a year ago.

Both the British Consul in BKK, and the Director of Consular Services in London have put it in writing that there is a consul in C.M., but they are either incompetent, lying, or most likely, both.

It seems the info I posted earlier was in fact out of date.

Despite an Honorary Consul still being listed in Chiang Mai on the Thai Ministry of Foreign Affairs site and various sites that list embassies and consulates, the UK (gov.UK) site notes the consulate being closed, though their statement is kind of misleading in some ways (https://www.gov.uk/government/world-location-news/change-in-the-way-the-uk-provides-assistance-to-british-nationals-in-chiang-mai).

"The Embassy in Bangkok will provide consular advice and assistance, working with our Honorary Consul in Chiang Mai as necessary. "

"The Consul in Bangkok, Michael Hancock has said:

This new way of operating in Northern Thailand will make the most efficient use of our resources, and offer an effective service to our most vulnerable customers via our experienced consular team in Bangkok, supported by our Honorary Consul in Chiang Mai. "

So they still have an Honorary Consul but just took away his office ???

[HikeFromLA]

Prayers with heroic Trevor Miles, beautiful Zara Miles, and the free and independent Kingdom of Thailand.