webfact Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 More than 12 punished for mistaken hospital attackBy ROBERT BURNSWASHINGTON (AP) — More than a dozen U.S. military personnel have been disciplined — but face no criminal charges — for mistakes that led to the bombing of a Doctors Without Borders hospital that killed 42 people in Afghanistan last year, U.S. defense officials say.The punishments, which have not been publicly announced, are largely administrative. But in some cases the actions, such as letters of reprimand, are tough enough to effectively end chances for further promotion. The military has previously said some personnel were suspended from their duties but has given no further details.The disciplined include both officers and enlisted personnel, but officials said none are generals.The officials, who were not authorized to discuss the outcomes publicly and so spoke on condition of anonymity, said the disciplinary process is nearly complete. It is derived from a military investigation of the Oct. 3, 2015, attack, the results of which are expected to be made public in a partially redacted form in coming days.The hospital, run by the medical charity Doctors Without Borders in the northern city of Kunduz, was attacked by a U.S. Air Force special operations AC-130 gunship, one of the most lethal in the U.S. arsenal. Doctors Without Borders called the attack "relentless and brutal" and demanded an international investigation, but none has been undertaken.Army Gen. John Campbell, who was the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan at the time but has since relinquished command, has called it a "tragic but avoidable accident caused primarily by human error."The attack was unleashed as U.S. military advisers were helping Afghan forces retake Kunduz, which had fallen to the Taliban on Sept. 28. It was the first major city to fall since the Taliban were expelled from Kabul in 2001.Afghan officials claimed the hospital had been overrun by the Taliban, but no evidence of that has surfaced. The hospital was destroyed and Doctors Without Borders, also known by its French acronym, MSF, ceased operations in Kunduz.President Barack Obama apologized for the attack, which was one of the deadliest assaults on civilians in the 15-year war.The U.S. command in Kabul said in February that it has expressed condolences and offered payment to more than 140 families and individuals affected by the attack.In November the U.S. military provided an outline of what happened. It said the crew of the AC-130 gunship, which is armed with side-firing cannons and guns, had been dispatched to hit a Taliban command center in a different building, 450 yards away from the hospital. However, hampered by problems with their targeting sensors, the crew relied on a physical description that led them to begin firing at the hospital even though they saw no hostile activity there.Many chances to avert the error were missed, officials said.At a November news conference, Brig. Gen. Wilson Shoffner, a spokesman for Campbell, said the actions taken by the U.S. aircrew were "not appropriate" to the threat they faced, suggesting that a number of them could be faulted.Campbell and Shoffner said that neither the U.S. Special Forces commander who called in the strike at the request of Afghan forces, nor the U.S. aircrew, was aware that a hospital was being hit until it was too late.The main U.S. military investigation was completed on Nov. 15 but has not yet been publicly released. U.S. Central Command, which is responsible for U.S. military operations in Afghanistan and across the greater Mideast, rejected in December an AP Freedom of Information Act request for the report, which it said was approximately 5,000 pages long.A separate U.S. report on the incident, obtained last fall by The Associated Press, said the AC-130 aircraft fired 211 shells at the hospital compound over 29 minutes before commanders realized the mistake and ordered a halt. Doctors Without Borders officials contacted coalition military personnel during the attack to say the hospital was "being 'bombed' from the air," and the word finally was relayed to the AC-130 crew, the report said.In an interview with reporters last week, Campbell, who is retiring on May 1, said the fall of Kunduz was a surprise — perhaps even to the Taliban."They had no clue they were going to take over Kunduz," he said. The insurgents had infiltrated a small number of fighters and attacked a prison in the city, he said."They got in the prison and the police just kind of left," and so the Taliban decided to keep pressing with the help of other Afghan police who colluded with the Taliban and were "bought off," Campbell said.U.S. special operations forces were then sent to the area in support of Afghan forces.___Associated Press writer Lolita C. Baldor contributed to this report.-- (c) Associated Press 2016-03-17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captspectre Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 the AC-130 gunship take directions from a ground controller, they cannot see with the eyeball the building they are told to destroy! I am going to wait until I see the official report to comment further, and also to see if the Special Operations commander has heir backs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connda Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 One thing I learned in the military: excrement rolls downhill. As surprised as I am that some 'stuff' will splash on a officer or two, it's no surprise that no general will 'step in it.' Generals are pretty much 'Teflon', well, except for those handing out classified intelligence in the bedroom - that will get you a tongue-lashing and a slap on the wrist if you're wearing 'stars' on your shoulders. Whatever happened to accepting responsibility for those whom you command? Nevermind, it's a rhetorical question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atyclb Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 prosecuting those responsible for starting the war in afganiistan for crimes against humanity wouldn't be a bad start either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
how241 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 In wars, bad stuff happens all the time...R.I.P. to the innocent people if you can tell who they are. Many a 'bad guy' could be getting fixed up to go back out and kill again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JingerBen Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 In wars, bad stuff happens all the time...R.I.P. to the innocent people if you can tell who they are. Many a 'bad guy' could be getting fixed up to go back out and kill again. Using that simple-minded logic, even conspicuous war crimes could be justified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgtsabai Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 I've said from the git-go, no top brass will not be punished but the lower ranks will. History speaks for itself there. Somehow I just don't believe it was all an "accident" or "mistake". DOB are not well liked by the US guvmint and apparently the Russian also don't care much for them. They know too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yahooka Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 prosecuting those responsible for starting the war in afganiistan for crimes against humanity wouldn't be a bad start either Including UN and all NATO members ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaddyWarbucks Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 prosecuting those responsible for starting the war in afganiistan for crimes against humanity wouldn't be a bad start either Including UN and all NATO members ?? No, the UN and NATO just played supporting roles. It was the neocon war hawks in the USA that should be held responsible for crimes against humanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulic Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 S.O.P. no significant consequences. When the maximum penalty is a letter of reprimand in your service file that stops any further promotion I'd say you got of lightly. The same consequence was given to the pilot who killed 5 Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan while they were conducting a night training exercise. The pilot saw muzzle flashes, requested permission to bomb the muzzle flashes, he was denied permission, did it any way, and then appealed the letter of reprimand placed in his file as being far to harsh and disproportionate with his action. Disobeying and order, killing 5 wounding others and he would get no further promotions. OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atyclb Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 (edited) "war is always the choice of the chosen, who will not have to fight" Ave Maria War Child benefit concert for the orphans of Sarajevo Luciano Pavarotti RIP, U2 Edited March 17, 2016 by atyclb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 prosecuting those responsible for starting the war in afganiistan for crimes against humanity wouldn't be a bad start either Are you talking about the British, Russians or Americans??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JingerBen Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 prosecuting those responsible for starting the war in afganiistan for crimes against humanity wouldn't be a bad start either Are you talking about the British, Russians or Americans??? He was talking about Americans, if I read it correctly. The disasters experienced by the British and Russians in Afghanistan should have been object lessons. It brings to mind the old chestnut: Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicog Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 It's all one big video game for these guys these days, they probably have little connection to their fellow humans in these situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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