Is it too late to stop the Donald Trump machine?

[Jingthing]

It's cartoon Trump!

[Chicog]

The Dems here wouldn't write so many posts if they weren't worried.

Not sure worried is the word.

Drooling with anticipation at Cleveland for sure.

[Asheron]

"Immigration laws crippling farms in Indiana and Georgia"

"For Indiana and Georgia farmers, it's not a matter of who's right and wrong in the debate behind tough new immigration laws that took effect July 1, 2011

but of those laws essentially biting the hands that help feed them."

"In a report released earlier this month, the Center said farmers of the state's seven largest crops:

onions, watermelons, bell peppers, cucumbers, squash, blueberries and blackberries,

reported shortages of almost 6,000 workers this spring as immigrants fled the state with the bill's April passage."

"The estimated loss to farmers has been $140 million so far, with the ripple affect on local and state economies estimated at $390 million."

(In the first year)

The Georgia Department of Agriculture estimates the worker shortage has now grown to 11,000.

"While agricultural specific figures aren't available in Indiana,

a report by the Perryman Group predicts a cost to that state of $2.8 billion,

and more than 16,000 jobs lost if all of the estimated 47,000 unauthorized immigrants in the state were removed.

"In Georgia, Perryman figures stand at a staggering $21 billion and 132,000 jobs lost."

http://northamericanfarmer.com/articles/farmlabor.aspx

The Bloviator once again, clueless.

And he wants to deport 11 million... What a clown.

Which other laws do you think anyone should be able to break without punishment?

[boomerangutang]

There have been some mentions of farming and its hiring practices. For decades, the biggest farming state in the US, California, has had farmers hiring Mexicans. Some of the Mexicans were legal, some not. Pretty much all lived in minimal housing and got minimal wages. And yes, they were doing work that Californians didn't want to do. There were abuses, but overall the system has been working moderately well. Every so often, there would be an amnesty law, so most of those migrants got Green Cards and eventually US citizenship. In California, white folks are in the minority, and it's only a bad thing, perhaps, for Trump supporters. Half the signs in L.A. are in Spanish. Many are also in written in Chinese, Thai, and other languages. Many former fruit/nut and vege pickers are now able to vote for US elections, and so are their kids. It's not a perfect system, but overall works pretty well. There's even some unionization among farm workers. Trump needs to get better informed on what really goes on in the day to day lives of Americans - on all social strata, ....not just from his view from the 55th floor of Trump Towers.

The Dems here wouldn't write so many posts if they weren't worried.

You could say we're worried, similar to being worried about getting Lyme disease. There may be a small possibility of getting the disease, but it's good to be aware of it, and take basic precautions against getting an infected tick bite while out hiking.

[Usernames]

^^^^

Yeah, because overpopulated, resource drained, dysfunctional California, with its over 50 percent illiteracy rate in Los Angeles (in any language) is a model for the future!

[boomerangutang]

I'm gonna make a prediction: You'll notice how, when Trump is hit with a tough question, he pouts and squints. He's obviously confused, but he can't let on that he's not an expert on everything, so he blurts out an answer. Half the time, the answer is dumb, but as he's said himself; he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue downtown NYC, and he wouldn't lose any fans.

Here's the prediction: He's going to do what a thinking person would do. He's going to follow HRC's lead. In the future, when he's hit with a question he doesn't have a clue about, he's going to say something like, "I don't know enough about that at this time. I hear there's a report. I'll read the report and get back to you on that."

It's going to be tough for The Donald to take a measured response and say the words, "I don't know..." but he's going to have to learn to be a slight bit honest, if he's going to proceed with his campaign. ....or maybe not

[boomerangutang]

Yeah, because overpopulated, resource drained, dysfunctional California, with its over 50 percent illiteracy rate in Los Angeles (in any language) is a model for the future!

It's a big place. California went through some tough times economically while Shwarzenegger was governor, but now with Brown, it's on the mend. It's also had a 5 year drought. Speaking of Jerry Brown, he would make a great president. Maybe Sanders or HRC will pick him as their running mate.

CA is a big target, if someone wants to poke holes at it. Yet, it's got a lot going for it. It's the #1 inventor and sustainer of businesses related to digital and internet. It's got the biggest film-making industry in the world, by far. If it were a country, it would be the 5th biggest economy in the world. It has excellent parks and boasts the first or second national park in the world (Yosemite). I think Yellowstone in WY was the first. There are many parts of CA where geese and deer, roam, and it's not unusual for a cougar or bear to be sighted near human settlements. As a comparison, in China or SE Asia, you wouldn't see flocks of geese or herds of deer. Locals would charge out to kill them all - every last one. Americans are creating giant marine parks, rehabilitating near-extinct species, and sharing park management with neighboring countries (Glacier National Park is one example). Nothing like that is happening anywhere in Asia. Indeed, the S.China Sea could be designated an International Marine Park if Asians weren't stuck in archaic-thinking. Instead, it's becoming militarized.

[grumpyoldman]

"If you're not going to let illegal immigrants do the jobs they are currently being hired to do, then farmers will have to raise wages to replace them."

^{"Since farmers are taking a risk in hiring immigrant workers, you can bet they were getting a significant deal on wage costs relative to "market wages".}

^{"I put market wages here in quotations,}

^{because it's quite possible that the wages required to get workers to do the job are so high that it's no longer profitable for farmers to plant the crops in the first place."}

^{"Importantly, the more competitive the final goods market (meaning the market for the product that the workers are being hired to make) the flatter the labor demand curve will be.}

^{If the market is competitive, then a small increase in prices will cause buyers to shift to a competitors products."}

^{"This means that a firm's (or in this case, a farmer's) profits are sensitive to small shifts in input prices."}

^{"In the case of agriculture, where one farmers crops are usually very comparable with another farmers, the market will be highly competitive and the demand curve will be flat."}

^{"This problem is even more exacerbated when the demand is for Georgia farmers in particular, since retailers who buy their products can shift to farmers in competing states."}

^{"All of this is to say if you're going to stop illegal immigrants from doing a job you should be prepared for the job"}

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/06/georgias-harsh-immigration-law-costs-millions-in-unharvested-crops/240774/

"Short term"? Losing billions in one state alone?

Truly the most ridiculous, simplistic statement I have read in a very long time.

The liberals have made a mess of apologizing for the lazy, and then importing illegals who are not only hard workers but who work cheap.

Excuse me, but who's name brand clothing line is being made in China? Is this your example of apologizing liberals and/or importing illegals or is that an example of taking jobs AWAY from Americans?

More nonsense from a confused right whinger.

[Usernames]

Yeah, because overpopulated, resource drained, dysfunctional California, with its over 50 percent illiteracy rate in Los Angeles (in any language) is a model for the future!

It's a big place. California went through some tough times economically while Shwarzenegger was governor, but now with Brown, it's on the mend. It's also had a 5 year drought. Speaking of Jerry Brown, he would make a great president. Maybe Sanders or HRC will pick him as their running mate.

CA is a big target, if someone wants to poke holes at it. Yet, it's got a lot going for it. It's the #1 inventor and sustainer of businesses related to digital and internet. It's got the biggest film-making industry in the world, by far. If it were a country, it would be the 5th biggest economy in the world. It has excellent parks and boasts the first or second national park in the world (Yosemite). I think Yellowstone in WY was the first. There are many parts of CA where geese and deer, roam, and it's not unusual for a cougar or bear to be sighted near human settlements. As a comparison, in China or SE Asia, you wouldn't see flocks of geese or herds of deer. Locals would charge out to kill them all - every last one. Americans are creating giant marine parks, rehabilitating near-extinct species, and sharing park management with neighboring countries (Glacier National Park is one example). Nothing like that is happening anywhere in Asia. Indeed, the S.China Sea could be designated an International Marine Park if Asians weren't stuck in archaic-thinking. Instead, it's becoming militarized.

How many illegals are doing all that?

[grumpyoldman]

Yeah, because overpopulated, resource drained, dysfunctional California, with its over 50 percent illiteracy rate in Los Angeles (in any language) is a model for the future!

It's a big place. California went through some tough times economically while Shwarzenegger was governor, but now with Brown, it's on the mend. It's also had a 5 year drought. Speaking of Jerry Brown, he would make a great president. Maybe Sanders or HRC will pick him as their running mate.

CA is a big target, if someone wants to poke holes at it. Yet, it's got a lot going for it. It's the #1 inventor and sustainer of businesses related to digital and internet. It's got the biggest film-making industry in the world, by far. If it were a country, it would be the 5th biggest economy in the world. It has excellent parks and boasts the first or second national park in the world (Yosemite). I think Yellowstone in WY was the first. There are many parts of CA where geese and deer, roam, and it's not unusual for a cougar or bear to be sighted near human settlements. As a comparison, in China or SE Asia, you wouldn't see flocks of geese or herds of deer. Locals would charge out to kill them all - every last one. Americans are creating giant marine parks, rehabilitating near-extinct species, and sharing park management with neighboring countries (Glacier National Park is one example). Nothing like that is happening anywhere in Asia. Indeed, the S.China Sea could be designated an International Marine Park if Asians weren't stuck in archaic-thinking. Instead, it's becoming militarized.

How many illegals are doing all that?

What does that have to do with anything.

The point of boomerrangutang's post was to refute the post haranguing California as a "model of the future".

Tell you what, where I come from six years ago the waters were completely fished out. There was nothing left so the government set up a marine reserve. No more fishing, spear fishing, taking lobsters nothing. Here is a picture from last week, we haven't seen otters in a long time, and it's munching a lobster! Due to the "model" the sealife has returned in a big way. White sharks too but thats another matter.....................off topic here but taking shots at California is on the same par as thinking Trump is fit to be President. Ludicrous.

[lostboy]

"Immigration laws crippling farms in Indiana and Georgia"

"For Indiana and Georgia farmers, it's not a matter of who's right and wrong in the debate behind tough new immigration laws that took effect July 1, 2011

but of those laws essentially biting the hands that help feed them."

"In a report released earlier this month, the Center said farmers of the state's seven largest crops:

onions, watermelons, bell peppers, cucumbers, squash, blueberries and blackberries,

reported shortages of almost 6,000 workers this spring as immigrants fled the state with the bill's April passage."

"The estimated loss to farmers has been $140 million so far, with the ripple affect on local and state economies estimated at $390 million."

(In the first year)

The Georgia Department of Agriculture estimates the worker shortage has now grown to 11,000.

"While agricultural specific figures aren't available in Indiana,

a report by the Perryman Group predicts a cost to that state of $2.8 billion,

and more than 16,000 jobs lost if all of the estimated 47,000 unauthorized immigrants in the state were removed.

"In Georgia, Perryman figures stand at a staggering $21 billion and 132,000 jobs lost."

http://northamericanfarmer.com/articles/farmlabor.aspx

The Bloviator once again, clueless.

And he wants to deport 11 million... What a clown.

Which other laws do you think anyone should be able to break without punishment?

Dunno. Maybe any one of the nearly 5000 laws, just on the Federal books might be suitable for non compliance.

"The number of criminal offenses in the U.S. Code increased from 3,000 in the early 1980s to 4,000 by 2000 to over 4,450 by 2008."http://www.heritage.org/research/factsheets/2011/04/overcriminalization-an-explosion-of-federal-criminal-law

Of course over-criminalisation is promoted by the right wing 'strong on crime' politicians in the same breath that they prattle on about their 2nd Amendment freedoms. Funny how many of these laws impact on people of colour and other minorities more than others. Criminalisation of immigration is as blinkered a policy as criminalisation of recreational drug use or sexual activity. But the old white men are too angry to accept such thinking and so the dangerous populists thrive and morph into demagogues and tyrants. Viva il Duce.

[Usernames]

Yeah, because overpopulated, resource drained, dysfunctional California, with its over 50 percent illiteracy rate in Los Angeles (in any language) is a model for the future!

It's a big place. California went through some tough times economically while Shwarzenegger was governor, but now with Brown, it's on the mend. It's also had a 5 year drought. Speaking of Jerry Brown, he would make a great president. Maybe Sanders or HRC will pick him as their running mate.

CA is a big target, if someone wants to poke holes at it. Yet, it's got a lot going for it. It's the #1 inventor and sustainer of businesses related to digital and internet. It's got the biggest film-making industry in the world, by far. If it were a country, it would be the 5th biggest economy in the world. It has excellent parks and boasts the first or second national park in the world (Yosemite). I think Yellowstone in WY was the first. There are many parts of CA where geese and deer, roam, and it's not unusual for a cougar or bear to be sighted near human settlements. As a comparison, in China or SE Asia, you wouldn't see flocks of geese or herds of deer. Locals would charge out to kill them all - every last one. Americans are creating giant marine parks, rehabilitating near-extinct species, and sharing park management with neighboring countries (Glacier National Park is one example). Nothing like that is happening anywhere in Asia. Indeed, the S.China Sea could be designated an International Marine Park if Asians weren't stuck in archaic-thinking. Instead, it's becoming militarized.

How many illegals are doing all that?

What does that have to do with anything.

The point of boomerrangutang's post was to refute the post haranguing California as a "model of the future".

Tell you what, where I come from six years ago the waters were completely fished out. There was nothing left so the government set up a marine reserve. No more fishing, spear fishing, taking lobsters nothing. Here is a picture from last week, we haven't seen otters in a long time, and it's munching a lobster! Due to the "model" the sealife has returned in a big way. White sharks too but thats another matter.....................off topic here but taking shots at California is on the same par as thinking Trump is fit to be President. Ludicrous.

Lobster eating otter.jpg

Must be why so many are leaving California. At least they have some sea life somewhere, if not any water for people. On the bright side, the reality of the drought (which may be more natural for California's environment than the unusually wet period of the past 75 years) may cause Californians not to need to worry about agriculture and needing all those illegal alien bean pickers. http://knowmore.washingtonpost.com/2015/04/01/how-a-great-american-migration-to-california-reversed-itself/

[grumpyoldman]

Thanks for the 16 year old graphic usernames but the exodus out of California has to do more with cost of living than anything. Friends I grew up with, many are in Colorado. The house an old GF and family live in, in Texas 300,000$, in California that same house is 600,000$+.

But they don't have the Mediterranean climate nor the beach, nor Sierras.

Why are you continuing the off topic illegals matter? The thread about the Trump machine, and yes it's stopping. Boo-hoo......

[zydeco]

"Immigration laws crippling farms in Indiana and Georgia"

"For Indiana and Georgia farmers, it's not a matter of who's right and wrong in the debate behind tough new immigration laws that took effect July 1, 2011

but of those laws essentially biting the hands that help feed them."

"In a report released earlier this month, the Center said farmers of the state's seven largest crops:

onions, watermelons, bell peppers, cucumbers, squash, blueberries and blackberries,

reported shortages of almost 6,000 workers this spring as immigrants fled the state with the bill's April passage."

"The estimated loss to farmers has been $140 million so far, with the ripple affect on local and state economies estimated at $390 million."

(In the first year)

The Georgia Department of Agriculture estimates the worker shortage has now grown to 11,000.

"While agricultural specific figures aren't available in Indiana,

a report by the Perryman Group predicts a cost to that state of $2.8 billion,

and more than 16,000 jobs lost if all of the estimated 47,000 unauthorized immigrants in the state were removed.

"In Georgia, Perryman figures stand at a staggering $21 billion and 132,000 jobs lost."

http://northamericanfarmer.com/articles/farmlabor.aspx

The Bloviator once again, clueless.

And he wants to deport 11 million... What a clown.

Which other laws do you think anyone should be able to break without punishment?

Dunno. Maybe any one of the nearly 5000 laws, just on the Federal books might be suitable for non compliance.

"The number of criminal offenses in the U.S. Code increased from 3,000 in the early 1980s to 4,000 by 2000 to over 4,450 by 2008."http://www.heritage.org/research/factsheets/2011/04/overcriminalization-an-explosion-of-federal-criminal-law

Of course over-criminalisation is promoted by the right wing 'strong on crime' politicians in the same breath that they prattle on about their 2nd Amendment freedoms. Funny how many of these laws impact on people of colour and other minorities more than others. Criminalisation of immigration is as blinkered a policy as criminalisation of recreational drug use or sexual activity. But the old white men are too angry to accept such thinking and so the dangerous populists thrive and morph into demagogues and tyrants. Viva il Duce.

Your source is from the Heritage Foundation, itself a "right wing 'strong on crime,'" organization. What they are complaining about is the application of criminal laws to EEOC, EPA, IRS, and other regulatory laws. You know, the sort of stuff the left wingers WANT to see put on the books. Some people just don't have the slightest idea about what is going on in the US.

Edited April 4, 2016 by zydeco

[lostboy]

Which other laws do you think anyone should be able to break without punishment?

Dunno. Maybe any one of the nearly 5000 laws, just on the Federal books might be suitable for non compliance.

"The number of criminal offenses in the U.S. Code increased from 3,000 in the early 1980s to 4,000 by 2000 to over 4,450 by 2008."http://www.heritage.org/research/factsheets/2011/04/overcriminalization-an-explosion-of-federal-criminal-law

Of course over-criminalisation is promoted by the right wing 'strong on crime' politicians in the same breath that they prattle on about their 2nd Amendment freedoms. Funny how many of these laws impact on people of colour and other minorities more than others. Criminalisation of immigration is as blinkered a policy as criminalisation of recreational drug use or sexual activity. But the old white men are too angry to accept such thinking and so the dangerous populists thrive and morph into demagogues and tyrants. Viva il Duce.

Your source is from the Heritage Foundation, itself a "right wing 'strong on crime,'" organization. What they are complaining about is the application of criminal laws to EEOC, EPA, IRS, and other regulatory laws. You know, the sort of stuff the left wingers WANT to see put on the books. Some people just don't have the slightest idea about what is going on in the US.

Straight over your head. Not to worry. You can't have much time to actually read this stuff between tending the buffaloes. You may try again to get the point. Some people just don't have the slightest idea bout what is going on in the US outside their bubble.

[iReason]

“Trump’s brash style appears to have backfired among Wisconsinites, who wear their conservatism more lightly.

He has repeatedly insulted the state’s governor, Scott Walker, who is popular among Republicans, boasting in an interview that he “sent him packing like a little boy”

Good job there Bloviator!

“Charlie Sykes, an influential conservative talk radio host in Wisconsin, said on Sunday Trump had “misread the culture and misread the political landscape”.

“We value decency and civility and rationality and reasonableness, none of which is associated with Donald Trump’s campaign,” Sykes told ABC.

“When this political music man comes into Wisconsin, he’s actually coming into a town where we kind of see through his scam.”

“Republicans are increasingly anticipating that their convention in Ohio in July will be bitterly contested,

rather than seeing the typical coronation of a nominee who has already secured the support of a majority of the party.”

“Polls consistently indicate that Trump would be badly beaten across the country by Hillary Clinton, the former secretary of state and likely Democratic nominee.”

“There’s nothing can get stolen from anyone,” Reince Priebus, party chairman told ABC.

“He pointed out, however, that the rules governing a so-called “open” convention have not yet been set for this year.”

“If no one wins a majority in the first round of voting, many delegates will become free to realign themselves with a different candidate.”

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/03/donald-trump-wisconsin-primary-polls-ted-cruz

I've said it before, and I will say it again: The Bloviator is no match for the machine. He's a mere babe in the woods...

[keemapoot]

An Ominous bit of news out of Cleveland:

Ohio home of serial killer for rent during Republican convention

[Jeffrey] Dahmer was convicted in 1992 in the murder and dismemberment of 17 boys and men, some of whom he ate, over a period of 14 years. He was beaten to death in 1994 by another prison inmate while serving 15 life terms in Wisconsin, where most of the murders took place after he moved there.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ohio-home-serial-killer-rent-during-republican-convention-200501198.html?nhp=1

Edited April 4, 2016 by keemapoot

[iReason]

"Trump's prediction of 'massive recession' puzzles economists"

"Donald Trump's prediction that the U.S. economy was on the verge of a "very massive recession",

hit a wall of skepticism on Sunday from economists who questioned the Republican presidential front-runner's calculations."

"We're not heading for a recession, massive or minor, and the unemployment rate is not 20 percent," said Harm Bandholz, chief U.S. economist at UniCredit Research in New York.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-idUSKCN0X00US

The Bloviator's clulessness indicator continues to grow. Although, he is adept at shamefully purveying fear among the dense.

Edited April 4, 2016 by seedy
fair use

[Grouse]

I think we can safely discount Trump now. Every time he comes out with some idiocy some of his frightened masses drift away. No, game over.

But we should not forget what's happening in the USA and Europe and elsewhere. People are not happy, they're worried, frightened even

Maybe we need to dust off the old gods such as Community, Tribe and Nation. We certainly need to look again at some of the current gods such as globalisation and shareholder value

Certainly we need to take much better care of our communities and particularly our industrial communities

I reckon Bernie has a bit of that right, but he won't get in.

Do you recall that Margaret Thatcher said "there is no such thing as community"? Well there was at the time. Very little now and to my mind that is one source of discontent.

So I hope the politicians on both sides of the Atlantic wake up and realise that there are reasons why obvious nutters like Trump get so much support. People are unhappy and if you don't consider this it WILL end in tears

End of Sermon. Back to my beer now....

[seedy]

Post Edited - fair use

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[Grouse]

"Immigration laws crippling farms in Indiana and Georgia"

"For Indiana and Georgia farmers, it's not a matter of who's right and wrong in the debate behind tough new immigration laws that took effect July 1, 2011

but of those laws essentially biting the hands that help feed them."

"In a report released earlier this month, the Center said farmers of the state's seven largest crops:

onions, watermelons, bell peppers, cucumbers, squash, blueberries and blackberries,

reported shortages of almost 6,000 workers this spring as immigrants fled the state with the bill's April passage."

"The estimated loss to farmers has been $140 million so far, with the ripple affect on local and state economies estimated at $390 million."

(In the first year)

The Georgia Department of Agriculture estimates the worker shortage has now grown to 11,000.

"While agricultural specific figures aren't available in Indiana,

a report by the Perryman Group predicts a cost to that state of $2.8 billion,

and more than 16,000 jobs lost if all of the estimated 47,000 unauthorized immigrants in the state were removed.

"In Georgia, Perryman figures stand at a staggering $21 billion and 132,000 jobs lost."

http://northamericanfarmer.com/articles/farmlabor.aspx

The Bloviator once again, clueless.

And he wants to deport 11 million... What a clown.

Very good.

If this continues, then farmers will raise wages to the point that residential taxpayers can afford to take the jobs.

As it is - the farmers have been used to paying illegal non-taxpayers and reaping the benefits.

The cost is all short term. The market will adjust to having people employed legally.

Deporting people that are in a country illegally is merely enforcing the law. Are you selective in the laws you don't want enforced?

If I lived in West Africa I would be getting worried

(irony alert)

[boomerangutang]

It's a big place. California went through some tough times economically while Shwarzenegger was governor, but now with Brown, it's on the mend. It's also had a 5 year drought. Speaking of Jerry Brown, he would make a great president. Maybe Sanders or HRC will pick him as their running mate.

CA is a big target, if someone wants to poke holes at it. Yet, it's got a lot going for it. It's the #1 inventor and sustainer of businesses related to digital and internet. It's got the biggest film-making industry in the world, by far. If it were a country, it would be the 5th biggest economy in the world. It has excellent parks and boasts the first or second national park in the world (Yosemite). I think Yellowstone in WY was the first. There are many parts of CA where geese and deer, roam, and it's not unusual for a cougar or bear to be sighted near human settlements. As a comparison, in China or SE Asia, you wouldn't see flocks of geese or herds of deer. Locals would charge out to kill them all - every last one. Americans are creating giant marine parks, rehabilitating near-extinct species, and sharing park management with neighboring countries (Glacier National Park is one example). Nothing like that is happening anywhere in Asia. Indeed, the S.China Sea could be designated an International Marine Park if Asians weren't stuck in archaic-thinking. Instead, it's becoming militarized.

How many illegals are doing all that?

Illegals is an over-amped word. Similar to the word 'bastards.' An illegal is a person who does not have citizenship in the country he's/she's in. A bastard is a person who is born of parents who were not married. In both cases, the people are people. It's their circumstance that warrants the prejudiced label from people like Trump supporters. Anyone in the USA who is not an American Indian is a migrant or offspring of migrants. The so-called illegal 'wetbacks' probably have closer blood ties with the original Americans than do any of the people chastizing or criminalizing them. It the Mexican army had been content with conquering the Alamo and surrounding region, and hadn't ventured further north and northeast, the map of the SW region of the US would probably look a lot different. Half of Texas, a third of California, and the states of NM and AZ could quite possibly have stayed as parts of Mexico. In a bigger perspective, many illegal Mexicans are straying into territory that could have been theirs, if history had been a bit different.

Which other laws do you think anyone should be able to break without punishment?

If you ask me, there are several. One of the biggest, is the law against farming hemp. It's utterly ridiculous. Thankfully, there are some reasonable politicians who are now distancing themselves from the insanity of criminalizing an herb used to make rope and healthy snacks.

If you were to ask a Republican candidate about hemp, you would probably draw a blank stare, like when Romney was asked 4 years ago.

[Usernames]

It's a big place. California went through some tough times economically while Shwarzenegger was governor, but now with Brown, it's on the mend. It's also had a 5 year drought. Speaking of Jerry Brown, he would make a great president. Maybe Sanders or HRC will pick him as their running mate.

CA is a big target, if someone wants to poke holes at it. Yet, it's got a lot going for it. It's the #1 inventor and sustainer of businesses related to digital and internet. It's got the biggest film-making industry in the world, by far. If it were a country, it would be the 5th biggest economy in the world. It has excellent parks and boasts the first or second national park in the world (Yosemite). I think Yellowstone in WY was the first. There are many parts of CA where geese and deer, roam, and it's not unusual for a cougar or bear to be sighted near human settlements. As a comparison, in China or SE Asia, you wouldn't see flocks of geese or herds of deer. Locals would charge out to kill them all - every last one. Americans are creating giant marine parks, rehabilitating near-extinct species, and sharing park management with neighboring countries (Glacier National Park is one example). Nothing like that is happening anywhere in Asia. Indeed, the S.China Sea could be designated an International Marine Park if Asians weren't stuck in archaic-thinking. Instead, it's becoming militarized.

How many illegals are doing all that?

Illegals is an over-amped word. Similar to the word 'bastards.' An illegal is a person who does not have citizenship in the country he's/she's in. A bastard is a person who is born of parents who were not married. In both cases, the people are people. It's their circumstance that warrants the prejudiced label from people like Trump supporters. Anyone in the USA who is not an American Indian is a migrant or offspring of migrants. The so-called illegal 'wetbacks' probably have closer blood ties with the original Americans than do any of the people chastizing or criminalizing them. It the Mexican army had been content with conquering the Alamo and surrounding region, and hadn't ventured further north and northeast, the map of the SW region of the US would probably look a lot different. Half of Texas, a third of California, and the states of NM and AZ could quite possibly have stayed as parts of Mexico. In a bigger perspective, many illegal Mexicans are straying into territory that could have been theirs, if history had been a bit different.

Which other laws do you think anyone should be able to break without punishment?

If you ask me, there are several. One of the biggest, is the law against farming hemp. It's utterly ridiculous. Thankfully, there are some reasonable politicians who are now distancing themselves from the insanity of criminalizing an herb used to make rope and healthy snacks.

If you were to ask a Republican candidate about hemp, you would probably draw a blank stare, like when Romney was asked 4 years ago.

Your grasp of Texas history is as flawed as your PC fear of calling an illegal an illegal. The Alamo was but one battle. The WAR was won by Sam Houston and the Texican army, who defeated and captured Santa Ana at San Jacinto.

[grumpyoldman]

Well today the Trumpster is whining about Kasich. "Oh waaaa he takes away my votes and not Cruz's".

Crybaby wants to be President? Waaaaa Donald, waaaaaaa, the Trump machine better get some diapers for Muppet head.

[Jingthing]

The conventional wisdom now.

First ballot is Trump's only chance and it's looking more and more likely he won't make that.

Second ballot favors Cruz.

Multiple ballots favor KASICH.

Contrary to what some have asserted there does NOT need to be any rule change for delegates to vote for KASICH.

I've said it all along ... Kasich is one to seriously watch.

The BAD news is that Kasich could really beat the democrats.

So I hope my prediction is ultimately wrong!

[grumpyoldman]

I'm with you Jingthing up until your "bad news" part.

You are correct, the GOP is not behind the wingnut Trump, they see him for the crackpot racist, misogynist, utter international relations buffoon, and will thwart him at the convention.

Kasich is too much the moderate for the Obama hating conservative right. They have just spent eight years whinging over the Obama government and want to go as far in the opposite direction as they can go (to the detriment of the country as seen as the last time they had office), thus Kasich doesn't work.

Anyway, The Donald will continue his megalomaniac ways and run as an Independent to "screw back" the party that screwed him which splits the Republican vote handing the election to HRC.

[iReason]

Not to worry, the Bloviator and his crack team are on the case...

Inside Operation Trump, the Most Unorthodox Campaign in Political History:

“Hardly any of Trump’s staffers arrived at their positions with high-level political experience.

The last time Lewandowski ran a campaign was in 2002, when he managed a losing Senate reelection bid in New Hampshire.”

“Hicks and Scavino spent zero time in politics before this. Hicks did PR for Ivanka Trump’s fashion line and promoted Trump resorts,

Scavino graduated from caddying to serve as general manager at Trump National Golf Club; he spent his free time as an unpaid disc jockey at a local radio station.”

“His foreign-policy advisers include a former banker who writes a foreign-policy blog that quotes Kanye West and Oprah,

and an energy consultant whose LinkedIn page cites as a foreign-policy credential being one of five finalists for a model [at a] U.N. summit.”

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/04/inside-the-donald-trump-presidential-campaign.html

Edited April 4, 2016 by iReason

[Jingthing]

Actually Kasich is very right wing on actual policy but people are fooled by his reasonable affect. The republicans would be fools not to nominate him and again, hoping they stay fools.

Edited April 4, 2016 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

The end of Trump?

It's really looking like that now.

He won't make the numbers for the first ballot, so likely he's toast.

So the title of the thread is dated.

This time it really is the end of Trump. Really.

Journalists and citizens alike should cultivate, not resist, their most honorable instincts. The instinct that Americans would never choose as their president a clownish peddler of racial and religious stereotypes who made everything up as he went along was right from the start.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/this-time-it-really-is-the-end-of-trump-really/2016/04/03/5dcba99e-f840-11e5-9804-537defcc3cf6_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-b%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

Edited April 4, 2016 by Jingthing

[keemapoot]

Actually Kasich is very right wing on actual policy but people are fooled by his reasonable affect. The republicans would be fools not to nominate him and again, hoping they stay fools.

He seems to be kind of a mixed bag of tricks, some right wing and some moderate. He's certainly the most acceptable to those center right and center left, but as you say, he is too moderate for the tea baggers, and Trumpers etc.. I do understand that on social issues he is not as moderate liberal as you would like to see.

Edited April 4, 2016 by keemapoot