Military junta invites Worachai for “attitude adjustment”

[tbthailand]

Black May! A prediction by the Pheu Thai party MP?

Seriously...

is it important who reminds the junta of the actions on the military during those days???

If it was Mark would you say the same thing? or do you reserve with the same condescending manner?

All concerned people should reminded Black May, and far more often than what they get now, I say well done to this bloke and challenge Mark to do the same followed by all MP's then all Thai's.....

Highly predictable response, not surprised, it suits your slant.

Here's a question for you:

What evidence is there that the current government is violent / violence with death? Please respond with a focused answer not a diversion?

"What evidence is there that the current government is violent / violence with death?"

Evidence? To obtain evidence one would have to conduct an independent investigation of the junta's actions, and that's not going to happen.

But what we do know is that an alarming number of "suspects" have died in prison, people who could potentially have seriously embarrassed the junta.

Strange, right?

in addition, ...

this junta is the military.

there has been a continuous stream of violence by the military. Before and after the coup.

But still, ... Let's talk about communities where people are physically harassed and beaten because they protest mining in their towns. Let's talk about numerous forced disappearance. Let's talk about all of the allegations of torture by the military - allegations that will never be investigated but that are so much more likely to occur when people are whisked off to unknown locations for days or weeks at a time while the generals deny that they have them. Let's talk about the people living in exile because they feared for their lives - that even includes some military folks. Let's talk about the military harassing family members in Thailand of those same exiles.

I hope this "Scorecard" guy is never keeping track of any games I am playing in. Jeez...

[tbthailand]

arbitrary detention of Mr Worachai is illegal and amounts to gross violation of human rights

Arbitrary detention is legal.

Such detention is allowed under Section 44 of the recently endorsed Interim Constitution (formerly known as the Interim or Provisional Charter). No doubt a previous junta-appointed Constitutional Court will support such detention as being constitutional.

As to the question of human rights, Worachai did not violate the military soldiers' human rights.

It is legal in so far as this current "government" is legal.

It is also a violation of human rights.

[tbthailand]

Pheu Thai demands immediate release of Worachai Hema

BANGKOK: -- The Pheu Thai party has demanded the immediate release of its former MP Worachai Hema from military custody claiming that his detention is a violation of human rights principle.

In a statement issued today (Sunday), the party said that Mr Worachai was escorted from his house in Samut Prakan on Saturday morning by a military unit led by Colonel Arthit Deeprasert, a staff officer of the 2nd artillery regiment, and taken to an undisclosed destination for “attitude adjustment”.

The arbitrary detention of Mr Worachai is illegal and amounts to gross violation of human rights, said the party.

The party claimed that it had followed up Mr Worachai’s public comments and felt that there were honest expression of views and were not intended to provoke public dissent.

The party also defended Mr Worachai’s comment calling for Prime Minister Prayut Chan-ocha to “show his responsibility” if the charter draft fails to go through the referendum as normal under democratic system.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/content/157011

-- Thai PBS 2016-03-28

"The party claimed that it had followed up Mr Worachai’s public comments and felt that there were honest expression of views and were not intended to provoke public dissent."

Yeah. Where's chalerm.

Here is a serious question for you...

Do you understand what human rights are?

[MZurf]

Pheu Thai demands immediate release of Worachai Hema

BANGKOK: -- The Pheu Thai party has demanded the immediate release of its former MP Worachai Hema from military custody claiming that his detention is a violation of human rights principle.

In a statement issued today (Sunday), the party said that Mr Worachai was escorted from his house in Samut Prakan on Saturday morning by a military unit led by Colonel Arthit Deeprasert, a staff officer of the 2nd artillery regiment, and taken to an undisclosed destination for “attitude adjustment”.

The arbitrary detention of Mr Worachai is illegal and amounts to gross violation of human rights, said the party.

The party claimed that it had followed up Mr Worachai’s public comments and felt that there were honest expression of views and were not intended to provoke public dissent.

The party also defended Mr Worachai’s comment calling for Prime Minister Prayut Chan-ocha to “show his responsibility” if the charter draft fails to go through the referendum as normal under democratic system.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/content/157011

-- Thai PBS 2016-03-28

"The party claimed that it had followed up Mr Worachai’s public comments and felt that there were honest expression of views and were not intended to provoke public dissent."

Yeah. Where's chalerm.

Here is a serious question for you...

Do you understand what human rights are?

You MUST understand that everything the junta does is justified by the mere existence of the ultimate bogeyman in Dubai....

[Baerboxer]

Highly predictable response, not surprised, it suits your slant.

Here's a question for you:

What evidence is there that the current government is violent / violence with death? Please respond with a focused answer not a diversion?

"What evidence is there that the current government is violent / violence with death?"

Evidence? To obtain evidence one would have to conduct an independent investigation of the junta's actions, and that's not going to happen.

But what we do know is that an alarming number of "suspects" have died in prison, people who could potentially have seriously embarrassed the junta.

Strange, right?

in addition, ...

this junta is the military.

there has been a continuous stream of violence by the military. Before and after the coup.

But still, ... Let's talk about communities where people are physically harassed and beaten because they protest mining in their towns. Let's talk about numerous forced disappearance. Let's talk about all of the allegations of torture by the military - allegations that will never be investigated but that are so much more likely to occur when people are whisked off to unknown locations for days or weeks at a time while the generals deny that they have them. Let's talk about the people living in exile because they feared for their lives - that even includes some military folks. Let's talk about the military harassing family members in Thailand of those same exiles.

I hope this "Scorecard" guy is never keeping track of any games I am playing in. Jeez...

"there has been a continuous stream of violence by the military. Before and after the coup."

Evidence please? Or is this another of your unproven assertions based on your political preference?

Sure, we talk about all those things - as long as we include the murders, disappearances, assaults and intimidation that happened under the various elected civilian governments this century too.

[Baerboxer]

Pheu Thai demands immediate release of Worachai Hema

BANGKOK: -- The Pheu Thai party has demanded the immediate release of its former MP Worachai Hema from military custody claiming that his detention is a violation of human rights principle.

In a statement issued today (Sunday), the party said that Mr Worachai was escorted from his house in Samut Prakan on Saturday morning by a military unit led by Colonel Arthit Deeprasert, a staff officer of the 2nd artillery regiment, and taken to an undisclosed destination for “attitude adjustment”.

The arbitrary detention of Mr Worachai is illegal and amounts to gross violation of human rights, said the party.

The party claimed that it had followed up Mr Worachai’s public comments and felt that there were honest expression of views and were not intended to provoke public dissent.

The party also defended Mr Worachai’s comment calling for Prime Minister Prayut Chan-ocha to “show his responsibility” if the charter draft fails to go through the referendum as normal under democratic system.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/content/157011

-- Thai PBS 2016-03-28

"The party claimed that it had followed up Mr Worachai’s public comments and felt that there were honest expression of views and were not intended to provoke public dissent."

Yeah. Where's chalerm.

Here is a serious question for you...

Do you understand what human rights are?

You MUST understand that everything the junta does is justified by the mere existence of the ultimate bogeyman in Dubai....

And did that "ultimate bogeyman in Dubai" as you like to label him, ever show any respect for human rights, or any other law for that matter?

Same same but different.

[Baerboxer]

Pheu Thai demands immediate release of Worachai Hema

BANGKOK: -- The Pheu Thai party has demanded the immediate release of its former MP Worachai Hema from military custody claiming that his detention is a violation of human rights principle.

In a statement issued today (Sunday), the party said that Mr Worachai was escorted from his house in Samut Prakan on Saturday morning by a military unit led by Colonel Arthit Deeprasert, a staff officer of the 2nd artillery regiment, and taken to an undisclosed destination for “attitude adjustment”.

The arbitrary detention of Mr Worachai is illegal and amounts to gross violation of human rights, said the party.

The party claimed that it had followed up Mr Worachai’s public comments and felt that there were honest expression of views and were not intended to provoke public dissent.

The party also defended Mr Worachai’s comment calling for Prime Minister Prayut Chan-ocha to “show his responsibility” if the charter draft fails to go through the referendum as normal under democratic system.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/content/157011

-- Thai PBS 2016-03-28

"The party claimed that it had followed up Mr Worachai’s public comments and felt that there were honest expression of views and were not intended to provoke public dissent."

Yeah. Where's chalerm.

Here is a serious question for you...

Do you understand what human rights are?

Here's a serious question for you:

Do you believe the previous government understood what human rights are?

Or any previous Thai government?

[Baerboxer]

arbitrary detention of Mr Worachai is illegal and amounts to gross violation of human rights

Arbitrary detention is legal.

Such detention is allowed under Section 44 of the recently endorsed Interim Constitution (formerly known as the Interim or Provisional Charter). No doubt a previous junta-appointed Constitutional Court will support such detention as being constitutional.

As to the question of human rights, Worachai did not violate the military soldiers' human rights.

It is legal in so far as this current "government" is legal.

It is also a violation of human rights.

Unfortunately human rights don't seem to count for much here.

Extra judicial killings, murder of political opponents, massacres of Muslims, trafficking, slave labor, all seem violations of HR - and they happened under elected civilian governments!

[MZurf]

"The party claimed that it had followed up Mr Worachai’s public comments and felt that there were honest expression of views and were not intended to provoke public dissent."

Yeah. Where's chalerm.

Here is a serious question for you...

Do you understand what human rights are?

You MUST understand that everything the junta does is justified by the mere existence of the ultimate bogeyman in Dubai....

And did that "ultimate bogeyman in Dubai" as you like to label him, ever show any respect for human rights, or any other law for that matter?

Same same but different.

That's beside the point. This thread is about the JUNTA detaining people, not what Thaksin did in the past. But as usual, when the junta is criticized someone invariably invokes the name of Thaksin as an excuse.

It's old, and not getting any more ingenious with time.

[khunken]

Here is a serious question for you...

Do you understand what human rights are?

You MUST understand that everything the junta does is justified by the mere existence of the ultimate bogeyman in Dubai....

And did that "ultimate bogeyman in Dubai" as you like to label him, ever show any respect for human rights, or any other law for that matter?

Same same but different.

That's beside the point. This thread is about the JUNTA detaining people, not what Thaksin did in the past. But as usual, when the junta is criticized someone invariably invokes the name of Thaksin as an excuse.

It's old, and not getting any more ingenious with time.

No it's not beside the point as the thread is about a PTP member with a poor record being detained.

You are paranoid about Thaksin who you can't bear to see criticised in any thread - even those about him.

Real human rights has never existed in Thailand during my nearly 20 years here. The fairly soft 'attitude adjustment' can be criticised but not by hypocrites who wish to ignore worse (sometimes far worse) examples by previous regimes.

[torpedo1970]

" The Pheu Thai party has demanded the immediate release of its former MP Worachai Hema from military custody claiming that his detention is a violation of human rights principle."

In this day and age, i do not think they are in any position to demand anything

[MZurf]

You MUST understand that everything the junta does is justified by the mere existence of the ultimate bogeyman in Dubai....

And did that "ultimate bogeyman in Dubai" as you like to label him, ever show any respect for human rights, or any other law for that matter?

Same same but different.

That's beside the point. This thread is about the JUNTA detaining people, not what Thaksin did in the past. But as usual, when the junta is criticized someone invariably invokes the name of Thaksin as an excuse.

It's old, and not getting any more ingenious with time.

No it's not beside the point as the thread is about a PTP member with a poor record being detained.

You are paranoid about Thaksin who you can't bear to see criticised in any thread - even those about him.

Real human rights has never existed in Thailand during my nearly 20 years here. The fairly soft 'attitude adjustment' can be criticised but not by hypocrites who wish to ignore worse (sometimes far worse) examples by previous regimes.

"No it's not beside the point as the thread is about a PTP member with a poor record being detained."

This is about a junta that took power from an elected government and are now detaining people outside of the justice system using draconian "laws".

Whether the detainee has a "poor record" or not is irrelevant.

"You are paranoid about Thaksin..."

Uh, actually it's the junta fan boys who are paranoid of Thaksin, blaming him for everything bad that has happened, happens and will happen in Thailand.

Do you know what paranoid means? I suspect not so here is a link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoia

"....who you can't bear to see criticised in any thread - even those about him."

I have no love lost for Thaksin, whom I consider a dirty, rotten scoundrel. What you junta lovers are totally unable to understand is that that does not excuse the actions of the junta.

And what I'll always defend is an elected government being removed by a junta. Capisce?

Edited March 28, 2016 by MZurf

[khunken]

And did that "ultimate bogeyman in Dubai" as you like to label him, ever show any respect for human rights, or any other law for that matter?

Same same but different.

That's beside the point. This thread is about the JUNTA detaining people, not what Thaksin did in the past. But as usual, when the junta is criticized someone invariably invokes the name of Thaksin as an excuse.

It's old, and not getting any more ingenious with time.

No it's not beside the point as the thread is about a PTP member with a poor record being detained.

You are paranoid about Thaksin who you can't bear to see criticised in any thread - even those about him.

Real human rights has never existed in Thailand during my nearly 20 years here. The fairly soft 'attitude adjustment' can be criticised but not by hypocrites who wish to ignore worse (sometimes far worse) examples by previous regimes.

"No it's not beside the point as the thread is about a PTP member with a poor record being detained."

This is about a junta that took power from an elected government and are now detaining people outside of the justice system using draconian "laws".

Whether the detainee has a "poor record" or not is irrelevant.

"You are paranoid about Thaksin..."

Uh, actually it's the junta fan boys who are paranoid of Thaksin, blaming him for everything bad that has happened, happens and will happen in Thailand.

Do you know what paranoid means? I suspect not so here is a link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoia

"....who you can't bear to see criticised in any thread - even those about him."

I have no love lost for Thaksin, whom I consider a dirty, rotten scoundrel. What you junta lovers are totally unable to understand is that that does not excuse the actions of the junta.

And what I'll always defend is an elected government being removed by a junta. Capisce?

What I do 'capisce' is that you are not able to tell the truth as it is clear from your many 'but Thaksin' posts that you are indeed paranoid about him. 'A dirty rotten scoundrel': how awful!

Again it is very relevant to mention the 'victim's' AA when he was a member of a party with an even worse human rights record.

No one in this thread has excused the actions of the junta - some have just pointed out that the previous lot were worse which you don't want to 'capisce'.

[tbthailand]

Highly predictable response, not surprised, it suits your slant.

Here's a question for you:

What evidence is there that the current government is violent / violence with death? Please respond with a focused answer not a diversion?

"What evidence is there that the current government is violent / violence with death?"

Evidence? To obtain evidence one would have to conduct an independent investigation of the junta's actions, and that's not going to happen.

But what we do know is that an alarming number of "suspects" have died in prison, people who could potentially have seriously embarrassed the junta.

Strange, right?

in addition, ...

this junta is the military.

there has been a continuous stream of violence by the military. Before and after the coup.

But still, ... Let's talk about communities where people are physically harassed and beaten because they protest mining in their towns. Let's talk about numerous forced disappearance. Let's talk about all of the allegations of torture by the military - allegations that will never be investigated but that are so much more likely to occur when people are whisked off to unknown locations for days or weeks at a time while the generals deny that they have them. Let's talk about the people living in exile because they feared for their lives - that even includes some military folks. Let's talk about the military harassing family members in Thailand of those same exiles.

I hope this "Scorecard" guy is never keeping track of any games I am playing in. Jeez...

"there has been a continuous stream of violence by the military. Before and after the coup."

Evidence please? Or is this another of your unproven assertions based on your political preference?

Sure, we talk about all those things - as long as we include the murders, disappearances, assaults and intimidation that happened under the various elected civilian governments this century too.

let's talk about the current government. that is relevant

you can do your "but Thaksin" childs-play somewhere else

past civilian governments have never been perfect, ... none of them come close to the abuses of this or other military regimes (unless you count Abhisit's government as a civilian government where he had about 100 people (known) gunned down... I count them as a military-installed government)

And maybe you should recall that the military has been in charge of Thailand MOST of the time since the 1932 revolution, so how are the past sins of civilian governments more interesting to you than the past sins of the previous military governments? Never heard of Phibun, Sarit, 1973, 76, 92, ... ?

Evidence, come on, do you not read any of these stories and do you need to be spoon fed everything? There are so many examples of human rights abuses, fugitives, torture allegations, forced disappearances that you can't shake a stick at all of them.

Oh wait, the 'prove it to me I am completely ignorant' plea is just a SOP of a junta hugger, right??

[tbthailand]

arbitrary detention of Mr Worachai is illegal and amounts to gross violation of human rights

Arbitrary detention is legal.

Such detention is allowed under Section 44 of the recently endorsed Interim Constitution (formerly known as the Interim or Provisional Charter). No doubt a previous junta-appointed Constitutional Court will support such detention as being constitutional.

As to the question of human rights, Worachai did not violate the military soldiers' human rights.

It is legal in so far as this current "government" is legal.

It is also a violation of human rights.

Unfortunately human rights don't seem to count for much here.

Extra judicial killings, murder of political opponents, massacres of Muslims, trafficking, slave labor, all seem violations of HR - and they happened under elected civilian governments!

you don't even understand when you are talking about the military instead of the civilian government, do you?

[tbthailand]

so now the junta is just going to arrest his family and make it all legal with Art 44.

http://www.prachatai.com/english/node/5976

[MZurf]

That's beside the point. This thread is about the JUNTA detaining people, not what Thaksin did in the past. But as usual, when the junta is criticized someone invariably invokes the name of Thaksin as an excuse.

It's old, and not getting any more ingenious with time.

No it's not beside the point as the thread is about a PTP member with a poor record being detained.

You are paranoid about Thaksin who you can't bear to see criticised in any thread - even those about him.

Real human rights has never existed in Thailand during my nearly 20 years here. The fairly soft 'attitude adjustment' can be criticised but not by hypocrites who wish to ignore worse (sometimes far worse) examples by previous regimes.

"No it's not beside the point as the thread is about a PTP member with a poor record being detained."

This is about a junta that took power from an elected government and are now detaining people outside of the justice system using draconian "laws".

Whether the detainee has a "poor record" or not is irrelevant.

"You are paranoid about Thaksin..."

Uh, actually it's the junta fan boys who are paranoid of Thaksin, blaming him for everything bad that has happened, happens and will happen in Thailand.

Do you know what paranoid means? I suspect not so here is a link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoia

"....who you can't bear to see criticised in any thread - even those about him."

I have no love lost for Thaksin, whom I consider a dirty, rotten scoundrel. What you junta lovers are totally unable to understand is that that does not excuse the actions of the junta.

And what I'll always defend is an elected government being removed by a junta. Capisce?

What I do 'capisce' is that you are not able to tell the truth as it is clear from your many 'but Thaksin' posts that you are indeed paranoid about him. 'A dirty rotten scoundrel': how awful!

Again it is very relevant to mention the 'victim's' AA when he was a member of a party with an even worse human rights record.

No one in this thread has excused the actions of the junta - some have just pointed out that the previous lot were worse which you don't want to 'capisce'.

"...some have just pointed out that the previous lot were worse which you don't want to 'capisce'."

QED. You prove my point about junta supporters excusing everything this junta does because of the previous government.

The previous lot were worse? I bed to differ. The junta has accomplished something I did not think was possible; to make the previous elected government look good in comparison.

[JAG]

"The party claimed that it had followed up Mr Worachai’s public comments and felt that there were honest expression of views and were not intended to provoke public dissent."

Yeah. Where's chalerm.

Here is a serious question for you...

Do you understand what human rights are?

You MUST understand that everything the junta does is justified by the mere existence of the ultimate bogeyman in Dubai....

And did that "ultimate bogeyman in Dubai" as you like to label him, ever show any respect for human rights, or any other law for that matter?

Same same but different.

"Same same but different"?

Well some would say that the difference is that the Dubai Bogeyman and his party were selected by the Thai people in every election since the millenium.. ( I realise that if their choice does not coincide with your preference then it should be discarded, but still, he did win those elections), which can hardly be said about the present incumbents.

Now on the subject of respect for laws, and human rights (in particular the right to select your own government) again the Dubai Bogeyman and his party have repeatedly offered themselves for re-election. Indeed they were booted out by the army twice because they were probably going to win re-election.

One is democratically elected, flawed perhaps, corrupt probably, incompetent at times arguably, but non the less democratically elected. The other is a junta installed by a coup, and ruling by decree, supported by a rubber stamp appointed "Legislative Assembly" of cronies, and with no discernible intention of returning the unfettered right to select their government to the electorate. They actively take steps to silence and intimidate their critics. The threat of violence is always there.

Not the same I would suggest, rather different in fact.

[Eric Loh]

" The Pheu Thai party has demanded the immediate release of its former MP Worachai Hema from military custody claiming that his detention is a violation of human rights principle."

In this day and age, i do not think they are in any position to demand anything

Damn right when you have absolute power and armed with intimidating laws that can whisk anyone off anytime and anywhere without a warrant. Ought to be proud of these individuals, students, academics and politicians that dare speak out. Kudos to them.

[jesimps]

Pheu Thai demands immediate release of Worachai Hema

BANGKOK: -- The Pheu Thai party has demanded the immediate release of its former MP Worachai Hema from military custody claiming that his detention is a violation of human rights principle.

In a statement issued today (Sunday), the party said that Mr Worachai was escorted from his house in Samut Prakan on Saturday morning by a military unit led by Colonel Arthit Deeprasert, a staff officer of the 2nd artillery regiment, and taken to an undisclosed destination for attitude adjustment.

The arbitrary detention of Mr Worachai is illegal and amounts to gross violation of human rights, said the party.

The party claimed that it had followed up Mr Worachais public comments and felt that there were honest expression of views and were not intended to provoke public dissent.

The party also defended Mr Worachais comment calling for Prime Minister Prayut Chan-ocha to show his responsibility if the charter draft fails to go through the referendum as normal under democratic system.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/content/157011

-- Thai PBS 2016-03-28

"The party claimed that it had followed up Mr Worachais public comments and felt that there were honest expression of views and were not intended to provoke public dissent."

Yeah. Where's chalerm.

Here is a serious question for you...

Do you understand what human rights are?

Here's a serious question for you:

Do you believe the previous government understood what human rights are?

Or any previous Thai government?

The previous, and other elected govts had the parliamentary opposition, senate, judiciary, military and the amart to check and balance. What we have now is totalitarianism.

Surely you aren't so niaive not to realise this and think that being carted off for "Attitude adjustment" is ok?

[jesimps]

You MUST understand that everything the junta does is justified by the mere existence of the ultimate bogeyman in Dubai....

And did that "ultimate bogeyman in Dubai" as you like to label him, ever show any respect for human rights, or any other law for that matter?

Same same but different.

That's beside the point. This thread is about the JUNTA detaining people, not what Thaksin did in the past. But as usual, when the junta is criticized someone invariably invokes the name of Thaksin as an excuse.

It's old, and not getting any more ingenious with time.

No it's not beside the point as the thread is about a PTP member with a poor record being detained.

You are paranoid about Thaksin who you can't bear to see criticised in any thread - even those about him.

Real human rights has never existed in Thailand during my nearly 20 years here. The fairly soft 'attitude adjustment' can be criticised but not by hypocrites who wish to ignore worse (sometimes far worse) examples by previous regimes.

"No it's not beside the point as the thread is about a PTP member with a poor record being detained."

This is about a junta that took power from an elected government and are now detaining people outside of the justice system using draconian "laws".

Whether the detainee has a "poor record" or not is irrelevant.

"You are paranoid about Thaksin..."

Uh, actually it's the junta fan boys who are paranoid of Thaksin, blaming him for everything bad that has happened, happens and will happen in Thailand.

Do you know what paranoid means? I suspect not so here is a link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoia

"....who you can't bear to see criticised in any thread - even those about him."

I have no love lost for Thaksin, whom I consider a dirty, rotten scoundrel. What you junta lovers are totally unable to understand is that that does not excuse the actions of the junta.

And what I'll always defend is an elected government being removed by a junta. Capisce?

Hear hear!

The fanboys for some strange reason can't fathom how anyone can be anti an unelected junta without being pro Thaksin. Whereas it's plainly obvious that they support the junta because they're anti PTP and their own party can't win a fair election.

I'm pro democracy regardless of who gets elected. There again, I'm no hypocrite.

Edited March 28, 2016 by jesimps

[sweatalot]

The bloke is speaking complete and utter sense, the fact that Prayut thinks he can bully the people into passing this undemocratic mess of a constitution is a disgrace. The no vote will be come out in major force against this - the red side have said no and Abhisit has said no both in very certain terms.

That only leaves that lizard Suthep and his army bosses to vote yes - not a chance in hell this thing will pass. Thailands needs more people to be speaking like this in public and reminding people of what happened in 1992.

you don't need to go back to 1992.

What about 2001, 2006, 2011?

that's what should be frightening now

[tuanku]

1992 cartoon ....... no resemblance to anything that might be published today.

[sjaak327]

"No it's not beside the point as the thread is about a PTP member with a poor record being detained."

This is about a junta that took power from an elected government and are now detaining people outside of the justice system using draconian "laws".

Whether the detainee has a "poor record" or not is irrelevant.

"You are paranoid about Thaksin..."

Uh, actually it's the junta fan boys who are paranoid of Thaksin, blaming him for everything bad that has happened, happens and will happen in Thailand.

Do you know what paranoid means? I suspect not so here is a link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoia

"....who you can't bear to see criticised in any thread - even those about him."

I have no love lost for Thaksin, whom I consider a dirty, rotten scoundrel. What you junta lovers are totally unable to understand is that that does not excuse the actions of the junta.

And what I'll always defend is an elected government being removed by a junta. Capisce?

What I do 'capisce' is that you are not able to tell the truth as it is clear from your many 'but Thaksin' posts that you are indeed paranoid about him. 'A dirty rotten scoundrel': how awful!

Again it is very relevant to mention the 'victim's' AA when he was a member of a party with an even worse human rights record.

No one in this thread has excused the actions of the junta - some have just pointed out that the previous lot were worse which you don't want to 'capisce'.

Sorry, but your claim that PT has a worse human rights records is not only false, it is besides the point. PT isn't running the show, and freedom of speech, assembly and press have taken a nosedive under this regime, there is no chance to deny this, the facts are undeniable.

Under Thaksin attitude adjustment sessions (non voluntarily) where not conducted, precious little people died in custody, bodies cremated and he and his cronies had an electoral mandate that only lasted four years, at which point they could be voted out. At no point in time did he have absolute power via article 44 and in no point in time did he operate under a self drafted constitution.

As to the war on drugs, or killing of muslims, you might want to ask yourself who apart from Thaksin was involved in those atrocities. You might very well just have to look at the junta du jour....

Edited March 29, 2016 by sjaak327

[tbthailand]

so the bottom line is that junta huggers don't know what human rights are, and so anything the junta does to opposition politicians, whom the junta huggers hate, is OK by them...

Carry on boys. ... Proudly carry that flag of oppression.

[anotheruser]

The bottom line is that people are watching online and that won't change. They can do what they want but now the consequences can be enforced. The ability to raise a totalitarian puppet government with no obvious opposition is diminished.

If everybody sticks together there are few threats that Mr. Chan-O-Cha can actually carry out. He will get into a roadblock but with somebody who is higher than he is and the father of this country.

Leak my name online and make me come for an 'attitude adjustment' I don't think in these days anybody is afraid of a general that should take care of his people but does so little. The Thai government or Junta is treading a thin line now and do not deserve any slack.