Death of Russian man, 54 who collapsed in Phuket hotel shower ruled as heart falure

[rooster59]

Death of Russian man, 54 who collapsed in Phuket hotel shower ruled as heart failure

Darawan Naknakhon

PHUKET: Doctors are examining a feces sample collected from the floor of a Patong hotel where a Russian man collapsed and died yesterday afternoon (March 26).

Patong Police were alerted by Patong hospital at 5.40pm of the death of Grigorii Baksheev, 54, a Russian national.

At hospital, officers met a Russian women, Natalia Sharapova, 44, who was named as a friend who had been staying with the deceased at a hotel at Tri Trang Beach, near Patong.

The two had checked in on March 19, and were due to check out March 27, the woman told police.

Full story: http://www.thephuketnews.com/death-of-russian-man-54-who-collapsed-in-phuket-hotel-shower-ruled-as-heart-falure-56788.php

-- Phuket News 2016-03-27

[Borzandy]

I believe it's the third suicide of the week.

[BuaBS]

These days I just come to ThaiVisa to see who died/was killed/suicided today.

[grumpyoldman]

These days I just come to ThaiVisa to see who died/was killed/suicided today.

Thanks for letting us know, you sound like a barrel of laughs !

[ScotBkk]

I believe it's the third suicide of the week.

Well at least he died in the missionary position other than the usual exocet missile mode hovering above head height before deciding to propel along the room out the veranda doors abruptly appearing outside receptionist far below.

Then awaiting theories from TVs members as to how and why he got there so quickly.

Just saying .....

Edited March 27, 2016 by ScotBkk

[SOTIRIOS]

...is it too hard to do a blood or tissue test too....

...this attitude of not wanting to trouble themselves to actually do any work....is disconcerting to say the least...

[Scouse Twoccer]

...is it too hard to do a blood or tissue test too....

...this attitude of not wanting to trouble themselves to actually do any work....is disconcerting to say the least...

Blood and tissue tests will be done in the normal course of events to establish why he died, so no, it's not too hard. Are you suggesting that just because those test weren't specifically mentioned in a journalist's report (as many other procedures weren't ) they won't be done? Daft.

Your attitude of assuming, without anything to back up your allegation, that authorities are "not wanting to trouble themselves to actually do any work" is even more disconcerting than usual to say the least.

[natway09]

Poor Sod,,,, checked out early

[sebastion]

Newsflash: millions of people die everyday globally. Welcome to life.

[arithai12]

I understand that lots of TVF readers are counting suicides and murders, but this ain't one. Read the Phuket News article.

RIP russian guy, and sorry russian lady.

[smew]

high blood pressure.. vodka and too much almost real viagra... RIP

[Lannig]

Can you diagnose heart failure from analyzing feces? confused

[Nemesis7]

Sad. RIP

[rodcourt49]

Can you diagnose heart failure from analyzing feces? confused

...the faeces sanple was there in the bathroom, so a specimen was taken for analysis..it may grow something but will be contaminated..this is just the reporters impression put to words..he knows nothing and cannot make outlandish comments such as he has in the heading ...(...ruled as heart failure). Only a Coroner can make this 'assumption' based on all the evidence gathered and put before him..it may well be 'heart failure' but before this can be established the pathologist must view the heart tissue samples' slides to see if any clotting is present ie. occluded arteries or signs of cardiac infarction which 'could' lead him to conclude the cause of death was an arteriosclerosis or other event.

Blood samples can take up to six weeks for a full Toxicology Report..Cardiac Enzymes test and Triglycerides etc. must be within a few hours of death as they are rapidly broken down and lost. Fluid from the eye can be analysed as well.

The faeces probably ended up on the floor as he collapsed and died his bowels passed a small amount of contents as the rectal muscles relaxed..quite a common occurrence with heart attack victims..all evidence for the Coroner once again.

The contents of the toilet should always be examined as many people die on the toilet straining to pass bowel contents.

So, bottom line is..don't read so much into anything the Press present to you..wait to hear the 'official' outcome.

By the way, the Coroner's findings can take months or even years to be announced..best watch the Court lists for the Inquest.

Hope this assists!

Edited March 28, 2016 by rodcourt49

[NamKangMan]

Can you diagnose heart failure from analyzing feces? confused

...the faeces sanple was there in the bathroom, so a specimen was taken for analysis..it may grow something but will be contaminated..this is just the reporters impression put to words..he knows nothing and cannot make outlandish comments such as he has in the heading ...(...ruled as heart failure). Only a Coroner can make this 'assumption' based on all the evidence gathered and put before him..it may well be 'heart failure' but before this can be established the pathologist must view the heart tissue samples' slides to see if any clotting is present ie. occluded arteries or signs of cardiac infarction which 'could' lead him to conclude the cause of death was an arteriosclerosis or other event.

Blood samples can take up to six weeks for a full Toxicology Report..Cardiac Enzymes test and Triglycerides etc. must be within a few hours of death as they are rapidly broken down and lost. Fluid from the eye can be analysed as well.

The faeces probably ended up on the floor as he collapsed and died his bowels passed a small amount of contents as the rectal muscles relaxed..quite a common occurrence with heart attack victims..all evidence for the Coroner once again.

The contents of the toilet should always be examined as many people die on the toilet straining to pass bowel contents.

So, bottom line is..don't read so much into anything the Press present to you..wait to hear the 'official' outcome.

By the way, the Coroner's findings can take months or even years to be announced..best watch the Court lists for the Inquest.

Hope this assists!

Do you really think they go to so much trouble here to investigate the cause of death?

[rodcourt49]

Can you diagnose heart failure from analyzing feces? confused

...the faeces sanple was there in the bathroom, so a specimen was taken for analysis..it may grow something but will be contaminated..this is just the reporters impression put to words..he knows nothing and cannot make outlandish comments such as he has in the heading ...(...ruled as heart failure). Only a Coroner can make this 'assumption' based on all the evidence gathered and put before him..it may well be 'heart failure' but before this can be established the pathologist must view the heart tissue samples' slides to see if any clotting is present ie. occluded arteries or signs of cardiac infarction which 'could' lead him to conclude the cause of death was an arteriosclerosis or other event.

Blood samples can take up to six weeks for a full Toxicology Report..Cardiac Enzymes test and Triglycerides etc. must be within a few hours of death as they are rapidly broken down and lost. Fluid from the eye can be analysed as well.

The faeces probably ended up on the floor as he collapsed and died his bowels passed a small amount of contents as the rectal muscles relaxed..quite a common occurrence with heart attack victims..all evidence for the Coroner once again.

The contents of the toilet should always be examined as many people die on the toilet straining to pass bowel contents.

So, bottom line is..don't read so much into anything the Press present to you..wait to hear the 'official' outcome.

By the way, the Coroner's findings can take months or even years to be announced..best watch the Court lists for the Inquest.

Hope this assists!

Do you really think they go to so much trouble here to investigate the cause of death?

...really it is 'standard procedure' for all Sudden Deaths, unless the cause is known or a qualified medical practitioner is prepared to issue a Death Certificate.

The family can request an autopsy not be done but have to produce compelling evidence as to why the autopsy should not be done.

Alternatively if the doctor is prepared to issue a Death Certificate the family can request the Coroners Office to overturn that Certificate and order an Autopsy at their expense.

[Sooo Upto Me]

...is it too hard to do a blood or tissue test too....

...this attitude of not wanting to trouble themselves to actually do any work....is disconcerting to say the least...

Blood and tissue tests will be done in the normal course of events to establish why he died, so no, it's not too hard. Are you suggesting that just because those test weren't specifically mentioned in a journalist's report (as many other procedures weren't ) they won't be done? Daft.

Your attitude of assuming, without anything to back up your allegation, that authorities are "not wanting to trouble themselves to actually do any work" is even more disconcerting than usual to say the least.

And how do YOU know that blood an tissue tests will be performed as normal procedure?

[NamKangMan]

Can you diagnose heart failure from analyzing feces? confused

...the faeces sanple was there in the bathroom, so a specimen was taken for analysis..it may grow something but will be contaminated..this is just the reporters impression put to words..he knows nothing and cannot make outlandish comments such as he has in the heading ...(...ruled as heart failure). Only a Coroner can make this 'assumption' based on all the evidence gathered and put before him..it may well be 'heart failure' but before this can be established the pathologist must view the heart tissue samples' slides to see if any clotting is present ie. occluded arteries or signs of cardiac infarction which 'could' lead him to conclude the cause of death was an arteriosclerosis or other event.

Blood samples can take up to six weeks for a full Toxicology Report..Cardiac Enzymes test and Triglycerides etc. must be within a few hours of death as they are rapidly broken down and lost. Fluid from the eye can be analysed as well.

The faeces probably ended up on the floor as he collapsed and died his bowels passed a small amount of contents as the rectal muscles relaxed..quite a common occurrence with heart attack victims..all evidence for the Coroner once again.

The contents of the toilet should always be examined as many people die on the toilet straining to pass bowel contents.

So, bottom line is..don't read so much into anything the Press present to you..wait to hear the 'official' outcome.

By the way, the Coroner's findings can take months or even years to be announced..best watch the Court lists for the Inquest.

Hope this assists!

Do you really think they go to so much trouble here to investigate the cause of death?

...really it is 'standard procedure' for all Sudden Deaths, unless the cause is known or a qualified medical practitioner is prepared to issue a Death Certificate.

The family can request an autopsy not be done but have to produce compelling evidence as to why the autopsy should not be done.

Alternatively if the doctor is prepared to issue a Death Certificate the family can request the Coroners Office to overturn that Certificate and order an Autopsy at their expense.

I know it's "standard procedure" but do you really think they follow standard procedure here? What should be done and what actually gets done may be two different things.

Look at the bed bug spray deaths in Chiang Mai a few years ago.

Edited March 28, 2016 by NamKangMan

[rodcourt49]

(NamKangMan)....I know it's "standard procedure" but do you really think they follow standard procedure here? What should be done and what actually gets done may be two different things.

Look at the bed bug spray deaths in Chiang Mai a few years ago.

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Reply: Thailand's Forensic Science Department are highly skilled with many of their officers having been trained with the FBI..

Best leave it right there!...

The point I was making is about reporters presuming/assuming they know the result when in fact the matter hasn't really begun..they know nothing and are privy to very little information and sadly they just 'fill in the blanks' to make their news item sound sensational, as if they somehow have 'inside knowledge'.

There are often many possiblees which can only be deliberated on by a Coroner.

'Open findings' are still given to this day.

Edited March 28, 2016 by rodcourt49

[NamKangMan]

(NamKangMan)....I know it's "standard procedure" but do you really think they follow standard procedure here? What should be done and what actually gets done may be two different things.

Look at the bed bug spray deaths in Chiang Mai a few years ago.

====================================================================================================

Reply: Thailand's Forensic Science Department are highly skilled with many of their officers having been trained with the FBI..

Best leave it right there!...

The point I was making is about reporters presuming/assuming they know the result when in fact the matter hasn't really begun..they know nothing and are privy to very little information and sadly they just 'fill in the blanks' to make their news item sound sensational, as if they somehow have 'inside knowledge'.

There are often many possiblees which can only be deliberated on by a Coroner.

'Open findings' are still given to this day.

"Thailand's Forensic Science Department are highly skilled with many of their officers having been trained with the FBI.." -

I think it "best you leave it right there."

[rodcourt49]

(NamKangMan)....I know it's "standard procedure" but do you really think they follow standard procedure here? What should be done and what actually gets done may be two different things.

Look at the bed bug spray deaths in Chiang Mai a few years ago.

====================================================================================================

Reply: Thailand's Forensic Science Department are highly skilled with many of their officers having been trained with the FBI..

Best leave it right there!...

The point I was making is about reporters presuming/assuming they know the result when in fact the matter hasn't really begun..they know nothing and are privy to very little information and sadly they just 'fill in the blanks' to make their news item sound sensational, as if they somehow have 'inside knowledge'.

There are often many possiblees which can only be deliberated on by a Coroner.

'Open findings' are still given to this day.

"Thailand's Forensic Science Department are highly skilled with many of their officers having been trained with the FBI.." -

I think it "best you leave it right there."

....go to their office at Mae Rim and ask them...as for commenting on a case..Im not Thai and it would be wrong of me to comment...probably still being investigated...pity you can't accept that eh!

[NamKangMan]

(NamKangMan)....I know it's "standard procedure" but do you really think they follow standard procedure here? What should be done and what actually gets done may be two different things.

Look at the bed bug spray deaths in Chiang Mai a few years ago.

====================================================================================================

Reply: Thailand's Forensic Science Department are highly skilled with many of their officers having been trained with the FBI..

Best leave it right there!...

The point I was making is about reporters presuming/assuming they know the result when in fact the matter hasn't really begun..they know nothing and are privy to very little information and sadly they just 'fill in the blanks' to make their news item sound sensational, as if they somehow have 'inside knowledge'.

There are often many possiblees which can only be deliberated on by a Coroner.

'Open findings' are still given to this day.

"Thailand's Forensic Science Department are highly skilled with many of their officers having been trained with the FBI.." -

I think it "best you leave it right there."

....go to their office at Mae Rim and ask them...as for commenting on a case..Im not Thai and it would be wrong of me to comment...probably still being investigated...pity you can't accept that eh!

I can accept that it's still being investigated, but I do not accept that any investigation here is to the high standard you suggest.

This is Phuket (TIP) - not Mae Rim.

[rodcourt49]

(NamKangMan)....I know it's "standard procedure" but do you really think they follow standard procedure here? What should be done and what actually gets done may be two different things.

Look at the bed bug spray deaths in Chiang Mai a few years ago.

====================================================================================================

Reply: Thailand's Forensic Science Department are highly skilled with many of their officers having been trained with the FBI..

Best leave it right there!...

The point I was making is about reporters presuming/assuming they know the result when in fact the matter hasn't really begun..they know nothing and are privy to very little information and sadly they just 'fill in the blanks' to make their news item sound sensational, as if they somehow have 'inside knowledge'.

There are often many possiblees which can only be deliberated on by a Coroner.

'Open findings' are still given to this day.

"Thailand's Forensic Science Department are highly skilled with many of their officers having been trained with the FBI.." -

I think it "best you leave it right there."

....go to their office at Mae Rim and ask them...as for commenting on a case..Im not Thai and it would be wrong of me to comment...probably still being investigated...pity you can't accept that eh!

I can accept that it's still being investigated, but I do not accept that any investigation here is to the high standard you suggest.

This is Phuket (TIP) - not Mae Rim.

I said nothing about their investigation skills...I commented on their forensic skills and qualifications ie observations at the scene and gathering of specimens for evidence..I said some officers have trained with the FBI as I have seen the Certificates hanging on their office walls..fairly convincing I would say.

As to how they operate is an Operations matter and something you may want to take up with Khunying Pornthip the still Director of Forensic Sciences in Thailand (I think)...starting to get out of my league here..Im not going to speculate on anything!

Phuket/Lampang same department..(Lampang is the head office for the north and north east provinces).

Edited March 28, 2016 by rodcourt49

[stevenl]

(NamKangMan)....I know it's "standard procedure" but do you really think they follow standard procedure here? What should be done and what actually gets done may be two different things.

Look at the bed bug spray deaths in Chiang Mai a few years ago.

====================================================================================================

Reply: Thailand's Forensic Science Department are highly skilled with many of their officers having been trained with the FBI..

Best leave it right there!...

The point I was making is about reporters presuming/assuming they know the result when in fact the matter hasn't really begun..they know nothing and are privy to very little information and sadly they just 'fill in the blanks' to make their news item sound sensational, as if they somehow have 'inside knowledge'.

There are often many possiblees which can only be deliberated on by a Coroner.

'Open findings' are still given to this day.

"Thailand's Forensic Science Department are highly skilled with many of their officers having been trained with the FBI.." -

I think it "best you leave it right there."

....go to their office at Mae Rim and ask them...as for commenting on a case..Im not Thai and it would be wrong of me to comment...probably still being investigated...pity you can't accept that eh!

I can accept that it's still being investigated, but I do not accept that any investigation here is to the high standard you suggest.

This is Phuket (TIP) - not Mae Rim.

I said nothing about their investigation skills...I commented on their forensic skills and qualifications ie observations at the scene and gathering of specimens for evidence..I said some officers have trained with the FBI as I have seen the Certificates hanging on their office walls..fairly convincing I would say.

As to how they operate is an Operations matter and something you may want to take up with Khunying Pornthip the still Director of Forensic Sciences in Thailand (I think)...starting to get out of my league here..Im not going to speculate on anything!

Phuket/Lampang same department..(Lampang is the head office for the north and north east provinces).

No worries about being out of your depth, you know a lot more about this than namkangman.

[chiang mai]

I believe it's the third suicide of the week.

Since when is severe heart failure suicide!

[chiang mai]

...the faeces sanple was there in the bathroom, so a specimen was taken for analysis..it may grow something but will be contaminated..this is just the reporters impression put to words..he knows nothing and cannot make outlandish comments such as he has in the heading ...(...ruled as heart failure). Only a Coroner can make this 'assumption' based on all the evidence gathered and put before him..it may well be 'heart failure' but before this can be established the pathologist must view the heart tissue samples' slides to see if any clotting is present ie. occluded arteries or signs of cardiac infarction which 'could' lead him to conclude the cause of death was an arteriosclerosis or other event.

Blood samples can take up to six weeks for a full Toxicology Report..Cardiac Enzymes test and Triglycerides etc. must be within a few hours of death as they are rapidly broken down and lost. Fluid from the eye can be analysed as well.

The faeces probably ended up on the floor as he collapsed and died his bowels passed a small amount of contents as the rectal muscles relaxed..quite a common occurrence with heart attack victims..all evidence for the Coroner once again.

The contents of the toilet should always be examined as many people die on the toilet straining to pass bowel contents.

So, bottom line is..don't read so much into anything the Press present to you..wait to hear the 'official' outcome.

By the way, the Coroner's findings can take months or even years to be announced..best watch the Court lists for the Inquest.

Hope this assists!

Do you really think they go to so much trouble here to investigate the cause of death?

...really it is 'standard procedure' for all Sudden Deaths, unless the cause is known or a qualified medical practitioner is prepared to issue a Death Certificate.

The family can request an autopsy not be done but have to produce compelling evidence as to why the autopsy should not be done.

Alternatively if the doctor is prepared to issue a Death Certificate the family can request the Coroners Office to overturn that Certificate and order an Autopsy at their expense.

I know it's "standard procedure" but do you really think they follow standard procedure here? What should be done and what actually gets done may be two different things.

Look at the bed bug spray deaths in Chiang Mai a few years ago.

"Look at the bed bug spray deaths in Chiang Mai a few years ago".

From everything I've read about that incident it seems to have been pretty unique, even the lab reports from Australia were inconclusive so perhaps not the best example to use.

[NamKangMan]

(NamKangMan)....I know it's "standard procedure" but do you really think they follow standard procedure here? What should be done and what actually gets done may be two different things.

Look at the bed bug spray deaths in Chiang Mai a few years ago.

====================================================================================================

Reply: Thailand's Forensic Science Department are highly skilled with many of their officers having been trained with the FBI..

Best leave it right there!...

The point I was making is about reporters presuming/assuming they know the result when in fact the matter hasn't really begun..they know nothing and are privy to very little information and sadly they just 'fill in the blanks' to make their news item sound sensational, as if they somehow have 'inside knowledge'.

There are often many possiblees which can only be deliberated on by a Coroner.

'Open findings' are still given to this day.

"Thailand's Forensic Science Department are highly skilled with many of their officers having been trained with the FBI.." -

I think it "best you leave it right there."

....go to their office at Mae Rim and ask them...as for commenting on a case..Im not Thai and it would be wrong of me to comment...probably still being investigated...pity you can't accept that eh!

I can accept that it's still being investigated, but I do not accept that any investigation here is to the high standard you suggest.

This is Phuket (TIP) - not Mae Rim.

I said nothing about their investigation skills...I commented on their forensic skills and qualifications ie observations at the scene and gathering of specimens for evidence..I said some officers have trained with the FBI as I have seen the Certificates hanging on their office walls..fairly convincing I would say.

As to how they operate is an Operations matter and something you may want to take up with Khunying Pornthip the still Director of Forensic Sciences in Thailand (I think)...starting to get out of my league here..Im not going to speculate on anything!

Phuket/Lampang same department..(Lampang is the head office for the north and north east provinces).

No worries about being out of your depth, you know a lot more about this than namkangman.

How about you start playing the post, not the poster.

[NamKangMan]

@ rodcourt49

Forensics is part of the investigation - a big part. On many occasions, it's crucial evidence that leads to conviction.

I really wouldn't consider a junket trip to the US to be comprehensive training, but if you believe what hangs on a wall in Thailand, good for you. I can buy the same on Khao San Road in Bangkok.

Remember the missing DNA samples in the Koh Tao murders? Very professional.

Then, there is the damage to the tourism industry that certain findings may cause. We can't allow the truth to effect profits.

I agree with what you described as "standard procedure." I know it to be true. However, whether it happens here, Phuket being a different country to Thailand, is a different thing altogether.

[NamKangMan]

@ chiang mai

If Thai forensic personnel are trained to the same level as forensic personnel in the FBI, they should have solved the case.

Forget about The Downtown Inn being owned by an "influential person" in Chiang Mai.