Fined for buying sex: French parliament votes to punish prostitutes' clients

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Fined for buying sex: French parliament votes to punish prostitutes' clients



PARIS: -- Following a final vote in parliament on Wednesday, France has become the latest European country to punish prostitutes’ clients who will face a 1,500 euro fine if caught buying sex.

The bill includes measures to try to help sex workers leave the industry but critics claim the new law will heighten secrecy, putting prostitutes at greater risk of being attacked.

In passing the legislation, France has become the fifth European country to punish prostitutes’ clients, following Sweden which pioneered the move in 1999, Norway, Iceland and the United Kingdom.


-- (c) Copyright Euronews 2016-04-07

[steveyinasia]

I think there will be a change in service descriptions....consulting fees?

[MrTee]

Fortunately, prostitution is illegal in Thailand!

[reggaebkk]

The funny thing is that the ones who pass these laws are the biggest consumers of escorts and hookers, but they have their secret networks setup already... Many do children as well... But they want to make sure that an old and ugly man can never touch a woman again... The world is going to such <deleted> its unbelievable.

Edited April 7, 2016 by reggaebkk

[korkenzieher]

I'm not averse to giving someone the taxi fare so they can avoid the risk of walking home on the street, and the price of a take-away pizza or 3.....

[williamgeorgeallen]

i am proud to say nz was the first make it legal, people are generally surprised this this only happened a little over 10 years ago. where is the crime? where is the victim? now that it is mostly advertised online with sites like adultworks even the prudes dont have to be offended by seeing the girls on the streets. legalise it, tax it, make it safe. how can the world be so stupid to think it can be stopped?

[asdecas]

i am proud to say nz was the first make it legal, people are generally surprised this this only happened a little over 10 years ago. where is the crime? where is the victim? now that it is mostly advertised online with sites like adultworks even the prudes dont have to be offended by seeing the girls on the streets. legalise it, tax it, make it safe. how can the world be so stupid to think it can be stopped?

And the land of l'amour too - it beggars belief.

[Robm579]

Religion has much to answer for...

[Doc46]

Not very smart from them Frogs,,Push the Sex industry under the table,,,More Rape and Violence is what's going to happen,,,

[manarak]

French politicians being more stupid than ever if that was possible.

This law is from my point of view illegal under the constitution, an unacceptable attack on individual liberties.

[manarak]

Fortunately, prostitution is illegal in Thailand!

Here's a scoop for you: it's not illegal in Thailand to sell sex in exchange for money.

Just read past threads on the forum to find more details about this.

[Steely Dan]

French politicians being more stupid than ever if that was possible.

This law is from my point of view illegal under the constitution, an unacceptable attack on individual liberties.

The left is a control freak ideology which is above all incredibly stupid, indeed this is its defining trait.

[MrTee]

Fortunately, prostitution is illegal in Thailand!

Here's a scoop for you: it's not illegal in Thailand to sell sex in exchange for money.

Just read past threads on the forum to find more details about this.

here's scoop for you marak, I no habtime to read all 5,000,000 posts on TVF -

My understanding is prostitution is illegal in Thailand. please feel free to convince me otherwise.

[slipperylobster]

Fortunately, prostitution is illegal in Thailand!

I have to look again..but I think that, technically, it is not.

It is tolerated.

[Saradoc1972]

I suppose there'll be a lot of road signs and billboards in French on our side of the French-German border popping up. Germany is proud of its tradition of giving qualified young entrepreneurs a business-friendly environment, Czechs, Bulgarians, Romanians, you name it. Hope public transport will be arranged fot the happy tourists, we're also environmentally conscious.

[jmccarty]

The socialist way of getting tax revenue out of prostitution! Very clever!

[Saradoc1972]

The socialist way of getting tax revenue out of prostitution! Very clever!

nah, Cologne introduced a sex-tax years ago, the normal way.

[MrTee]

Fortunately, prostitution is illegal in Thailand!

I have to look again..but I think that, technically, it is not.

It is tolerated.

PREVENTION AND SUPPRESSION OF PROSTITUTION ACT B.E. 2539 (1996), dated 14 October 1996

Read Section 9

[GeorgesAbitbol]

The prostitutespay taxes on their incomes, they have the obligation to do so.

As this law is stupid, for those speaking about the "left control freak"

Guess who asked to punish the prostitutes a couple of years ago? forcing them to go to the suburbs and therefore easier targets to pimps and usual violence?

Hint : it was not the left

[JHolmesJr]

Wow….how is Dominique Strauss-Kahn going to function normally now?

[12DrinkMore]

Maybe the girls could sell french letters at 50 Euro each, and offer a free private lesson in usage?

[manarak]

Fortunately, prostitution is illegal in Thailand!

I have to look again..but I think that, technically, it is not.

It is tolerated.

PREVENTION AND SUPPRESSION OF PROSTITUTION ACT B.E. 2539 (1996), dated 14 October 1996

Read Section 9

exactly, where does it say it is forbidden to sell sex for money?

the section you mention is about procurement, not about selling sexual services.

Edited April 7, 2016 by manarak

[MrTee]

Fortunately, prostitution is illegal in Thailand!

I have to look again..but I think that, technically, it is not.

It is tolerated.

PREVENTION AND SUPPRESSION OF PROSTITUTION ACT B.E. 2539 (1996), dated 14 October 1996

Read Section 9

exactly, where does it say it is forbidden to sell sex for money?

That is clearly laid out in section 4.

"prostitution" means sexual intercourse, or any other act, or the commission of any other act in order to gratify the sexual desire of another person in a promiscuous manner in return for money or any other benefit, irrespective of whether the person who accepts the act and the person who commits the act are of the same sex or not;

Section 9. Any person who procures, seduces or takes away any person for the prostitution of such person, even with her or his consent and irrespective of whether the various acts which constitute an offence are committed within or outside the Kingdom, shall be liable to imprisonment for a term of one to ten years and to a fine of twenty thousand to two hundred thousand Baht.

Edited April 7, 2016 by MrTee

[BritManToo]

That is clearly laid out in section 4.

"prostitution" means sexual intercourse, or any other act, or the commission of any other act in order to gratify the sexual desire of another person in a promiscuous manner in return for money or any other benefit, irrespective of whether the person who accepts the act and the person who commits the act are of the same sex or not;

Section 9. Any person who procures, seduces or takes away any person for the prostitution of such person, even with her or his consent and irrespective of whether the various acts which constitute an offence are committed within or outside the Kingdom, shall be liable to imprisonment for a term of one to ten years and to a fine of twenty thousand to two hundred thousand Baht.

Section 4, It's a bad translation, better would be 'lewd manner', which is is the crime, not the selling sex.

Like everything in Thailand, sex for payment, do it politely and it's OK.

Section 9, is about procurement, which is illegal.

Edited April 7, 2016 by BritManToo

[MrTee]

All your interpretations are helpful and all that, but they are your interpretations, and, as far as I know, none of you are Thai lawyers. So thanks guys, but unless you can cite a Thai Lawyer or judge describing how prostitution is in fact legal, then I'll stick with my original assertion. We all know Thai laws are fuzzy at best, and if someone wants to screw you over then these laws will used against you. You know it, I know it!

Look, I'm not saying it is not tolerated, and I am not saying that there are not ways that these laws are easily circumvented.. I mean who in their right mind would give a woman 1000thb for sexual intercourse, or "any other act" knowing it's illegal.
Sure you'd help her out with a taxi fare home, or the surprisingly expensive condoms - if that is your thing.

[Baerboxer]

I suppose there'll be a lot of road signs and billboards in French on our side of the French-German border popping up. Germany is proud of its tradition of giving qualified young entrepreneurs a business-friendly environment, Czechs, Bulgarians, Romanians, you name it. Hope public transport will be arranged fot the happy tourists, we're also environmentally conscious.

Germany and Netherlands are forward thinking on this. Congratulations to them.

Prostitution has been around for a long long time and always probably will.

Passing laws like this simply drives it into the waiting arms of criminals who possible could be paying kickbacks to ...........................................

[manarak]

All your interpretations are helpful and all that, but they are your interpretations, and, as far as I know, none of you are Thai lawyers. So thanks guys, but unless you can cite a Thai Lawyer or judge describing how prostitution is in fact legal, then I'll stick with my original assertion. We all know Thai laws are fuzzy at best, and if someone wants to screw you over then these laws will used against you. You know it, I know it!

Look, I'm not saying it is not tolerated, and I am not saying that there are not ways that these laws are easily circumvented.. I mean who in their right mind would give a woman 1000thb for sexual intercourse, or "any other act" knowing it's illegal.

Sure you'd help her out with a taxi fare home, or the surprisingly expensive condoms - if that is your thing.

Just read the past threads or ask a person who you trust and who has a better legal understanding.

[MrTee]

All your interpretations are helpful and all that, but they are your interpretations, and, as far as I know, none of you are Thai lawyers. So thanks guys, but unless you can cite a Thai Lawyer or judge describing how prostitution is in fact legal, then I'll stick with my original assertion. We all know Thai laws are fuzzy at best, and if someone wants to screw you over then these laws will used against you. You know it, I know it!

Look, I'm not saying it is not tolerated, and I am not saying that there are not ways that these laws are easily circumvented.. I mean who in their right mind would give a woman 1000thb for sexual intercourse, or "any other act" knowing it's illegal.

Sure you'd help her out with a taxi fare home, or the surprisingly expensive condoms - if that is your thing.

Just read the past threads or ask a person who you trust and who has a better legal understanding.

" unless you can cite a Thai Lawyer or judge describing how prostitution is in fact legal, then I'll stick with my original assertion."

[manarak]

All your interpretations are helpful and all that, but they are your interpretations, and, as far as I know, none of you are Thai lawyers. So thanks guys, but unless you can cite a Thai Lawyer or judge describing how prostitution is in fact legal, then I'll stick with my original assertion. We all know Thai laws are fuzzy at best, and if someone wants to screw you over then these laws will used against you. You know it, I know it!

Look, I'm not saying it is not tolerated, and I am not saying that there are not ways that these laws are easily circumvented.. I mean who in their right mind would give a woman 1000thb for sexual intercourse, or "any other act" knowing it's illegal.

Sure you'd help her out with a taxi fare home, or the surprisingly expensive condoms - if that is your thing.

Just read the past threads or ask a person who you trust and who has a better legal understanding.

" unless you can cite a Thai Lawyer or judge describing how prostitution is in fact legal, then I'll stick with my original assertion."

Can you please cite a Thai Lawyer or judge describing how bottled water is legal...

Actually two Thai lawyers asserted the legality of selling sex privately in a series of articles in the Bangkok Post, but the articles are now behind a paywall and I posting links would break forum rules.

You can also refer to:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Thailand

Edited April 7, 2016 by manarak

[buythisdashcam]

I hate this world and all these stupid laws telling people what they can do or not !