Mange

[pwills]

Hi lovely people. Does anybody know a relativly cheap treatment for mange? my daughter came back from the wat with a pup about two months old she is now showing signs of mange and I would like her to at least stop scratching'cause she does this till she bleeds have heard tea tree oil will stop the itching but would like to get rid of the mange permanenty with a natural cure if possibe.

Many thanks Paul

[Allyt]

Hi Paul

Not sure where you are in LOS but if you were in Chiangmai then I would love to get you to a very good vet and assess the situation properly. Where ever you are, get the type checked out. It could even be fungal or another skin condition.

Mange takes a couple of forms and need to be treated differently. One is through contact with others, one is from birth (from the mother).

There are good results being seen with simple treatments and often you are able to treat locally yourself, if you are aware of what exactly to do.

Its good to hear that your daughter is an animal lover and you are interested in the dogs welfare. Just wish there were more like you.

Ally

[BambinA]

some people use Lime Sulphur solution

IMO

- you dog gets "generalized from"

The best ways to deal with ,are

1 Ivermec Injection (q.1 wk) ..maybe wait till the pup has 3+ mths old

2 Vit supplements = B coomplex ,Fish oil ..etc

3 anti-itching as antihistamine Chlorpheniramine

4 antibiotic (in case the pup gets folliculitis ,dermatistis)

[Scott]

Your best bet is get the pup to a vet and get it treated properly. A good vet clinic is the best solution. My dog has had mange for years. I took it to the local vet--she's an older lady. She gave it one injection and some shampoo.

We had to shampoo the dog each month with the special shampoo. Initially, it had to be shampooed once a week. It still had the problem, but it was controlable.

About 3 months ago, she got ear mites and the mange cropped up again. I took her in. She has been being treated for both--it's not expensive--she's had 3 shots (1 per week), weekly shampoos. (Twice daily treatments for ear mites, but that's a separate problem).

She's looking very good now, healthy, happy and not scratching. I should have given her the full-treatment long ago.

Best of luck.

[Nienke]

Hi,

There are two forms of mange:

*) Demodectic mange caused by a worm-like spider that lives in the hair follicles. These parasites are transmitted by the mother animal when the puppies are still iny-tiny.

A very high percentage of dogs carry this parasites with them due to uncontrolled breeding whether the dog is a stray or pet or breeding bitch. (carriers should be excluded form breeding, but that is something that is hardly ever done )

*) Sarcoptic mange or Scabies, caused by a spider-like parasite that is living just under the skin where it causes considerable itch. This mange can be tranmitted to people and at any time of a dog's life.

The demodect parasites can multiply explosively when the immunity of the animal drops. This can be a result of hormonal changes during the onset of the puberties (many dogs develop mange during this period of time, but when treated quickly before it goes over into the generalized form it won't take long before this disease is under control. But once it has become generalized (i.e. dog has more bold spots all over the body or, worse, is pretty much bold already and suffers secondary bacterial infection as well).

Very important is to boost the immune system with good high quality food. If the dog is fed on any of the mdogfoods sold at the supermarket it is highly recommendable to switch to a brands such as Hill's Science Diet, Nutro, Premium Edge, Eagle, Chicken Soup for the Dog lovers, Advanced Pet Diet, Royal Canine, etc. And as Bambina already mentioned supplement with extra vitamins, minerals and oils.

Personally I prefer to give the dogs and cats raw feeding, as all the goodies are still in there unprocessed and ready for the animal to digest.

Although I favor holistic treatment, with mange dogs I always go to the vet for ivermectic treatment. The risk on transmition to other animals or that the localized demodectic mange goes over in generalized is too high for me. Sometimes you only discover that the parasites have spread all over the body and were not restricted only to the bold spots, after you have started the ivermectin treatment. If, then, you have treated only the bold spots, you (and you animal) can have a very unpleasant surprise.

However, I do support the treatment with a coconut mixture. That is a mixture of coconut oil and sulfur (and turmeric if there is any skin infection) Turmeric works as an anti-septic, sulfur makes the environment unpleasant for the parasites and cocnut does a wonderful job in making the hair grow back. You massage the mixures on the affected skin.

Also Scabies animals can be treated with this mixture.

And don't worry if the animal licks the stuff of. Also internal these three ingredients do a good job.

Ivermectic is quite a burden for the liver and all collie (mixed) breeds can not handle this medicine. Many vet's support the liver with vitamin B complex pills during the treatment.

Some vet's supports the treatment with antibiotics and corticosteroids as well. Bambina mentioned the antibiotics in case of folliculitis ,dermatistis. As for the corticosteroids, I only give when the animal scratches itself too threads, otherwise I don't give as it is immuno-suppressive and that's is just the thing that needs to be boosted. I do not have satisfying results with anti-histamines.

Anyway, to cut a long story short: in my opinion it is best to consult a vet and start treatment, change to a good diet (if you ahven't already) and massage your dog with the cocnut miuxture everyday (she will love )

Wishing you good luck,

Nienke

[pwills]

Many thank's to ypu all for your much needed advice. I am retired and living in Chom bueng in Ratchaburi province with my family it is a beautiful spotbut unfortunatly not overly endowed with Vets. Once again many thank's to you all.

Paul

[kurgen]

I feed probably the worst looking dog in Thailand at the local wat every day.She has hardly any fur left and scratches herself till she bleeds.

After a couple of months feeding her she actually comes to me and isn't afraid for me to touch her.

There is no chance of her letting me put her in my truck and carting her off to a vets.

What's the best I can do for her medical wise ?

[BambinA]

What's the best I can do for her medical wise ?

Ivermectin can use "per oral" route also

You may mix IVM with food and feed her

[Pink Mist]

best advice is "listen to BambinA" she is a Vet

[MrSnrang]

Mirra-Coat in the food. It does wonders.

If that doesn work, give it ivermectin through food or inkection once every two weeks.

At my dadś old dalmatian kennel he used to inject ivomec regularly to take care of mange and worms.

[teej]

What's the best I can do for her medical wise ?

Ivermectin can use "per oral" route also

You may mix IVM with food and feed her

I'm also feeding 2 soi dogs outside my house. They are rather well-mannered but don't look so healthy. Where do I buy Ivermectin? Does anyone know how much the oral stuff costs? How long does the treatment take and how often do I need to administer? Thanks,

Teej

[bina]

bambi,

i also wanted to ask; what is the oral dose using the injectable stuff for dogs... my husband's father bought some ivomac for his 'hunting 'dogs but uses 1000 units injected. dont they need more -- im asking, no question mark key here-

also if its oral they should be given more, and in general, more is better with ivomac, since less causes the mites to develop resistance....

it cost 150 baht for 50 milileters, no brand name... wonder how effective this could be

nienke, u should start a good breeding program for pariah dogs, i saw some great looking muubaan dogs, all fitting the same standard, similar to the israeli canaan dogs ... with proper care, etc, they can be great dogs... unfortunately it seems all without exception carry demodac. mange... dint see one mange free dog anywhere, although several even had a very nice ridge left on their back.

maybe ill give up on goats and go for developing the muubaan breed

[BambinA]

bambi,

i also wanted to ask; what is the oral dose using the injectable stuff for dogs... my husband's father bought some ivomac for his 'hunting 'dogs but uses 1000 units injected. dont they need more -- im asking, no question mark key here-

also if its oral they should be given more, and in general, more is better with ivomac, since less causes the mites to develop resistance....

it cost 150 baht for 50 milileters, no brand name... wonder how effective this could be

Hi P' Bina

If u want to use IVM for preventing heartworm disease .. the dosage is 6 microgram /Kg

for mange it's vary from 300-1000 Mcg/kg

I basically use 1 cc / 20kgs

1cc= 10000 Mcg

(I have never used no-brand name IVM .. but i have seen it sometimes, it seems like the kosher one is thicker...from the solvent maybe )

Usaully IVM is quite safe for dogs (except some breeds as collies, Shetland sheepdogs, Australian shepherds, Old English sheepdogs and some dogs who have a prob with blood brain bairrier.. )

[Nienke]

nienke, u should start a good breeding program for pariah dogs, i saw some great looking muubaan dogs, all fitting the same standard, similar to the israeli canaan dogs ... with proper care, etc, they can be great dogs... unfortunately it seems all without exception carry demodac. mange... dint see one mange free dog anywhere, although several even had a very nice ridge left on their back.

maybe ill give up on goats and go for developing the muubaan breed

Hi Bina,

Thanks for the compliment, but there are already so many (pariah) dogs, that I rather stick to reaching out a helping hand to those that already are born and need help.

Although, I really would have liked to have had a descendent of my most beloved boxer. She most probably wouldn't have given me only one pup, and then ... ' what would have become of the others that I would not have kept?' That is always the question I ask myself and others: ' what will happen to the little ones that you help into this world? How far does the breeder's responsibility go for the well-being of the living beings that comes into this world? Does it stop with your own dog or does the responsibility goes further: the well-being of the puppies/kittens/foals/etc, and the young ones they get, etc. etc. (a short while ago, somebody asked me whether their female dog could breed with a male of the same breed that was in boarding with me. Beside the fact that such a thing is impossible without the permission of the owner, the female has hip displasia severe entropion in both eyes and generalized demodectic mange, and the male has also hip displasia and a misformed underjaw The answer was negative.)

Having seen and seeing so much misery under the pet animals, I'd rather refrain from any dog (or cat) breeding program.

Nienke

P.S. Hope you're doing a lot better than a while ago

[kurgen]

I bought 10 tablets of 2000 mcg Ivermectin from a vet the other day for 250 baht.

I explained through my gf to the vet about the stray I was going to be treating with the stuff.

The box said 1 tablet per month, the vet said 1 every few days and my gf said give it 1 per day ( not that she's a vet, she just likes to stick her oar in )

Any ideas on who's right

Also I treat my own 3 dogs ( just taken in a 5 year old Rotty ) with Frontline every month.According to the Ivermectin box I could save myself money by using it instead of the Frontline, is it as effective for ticks and fleas?

Thanks

[bina]

ivomec helps but keep using the frontline also

also, i've never seen tabs before; we use ivo for horses and donkeys orally, goats rabbits sheep injected or oral depending on the case...actually didnt do our dogs, preferred to use regular wormers and frontline/defender/advantage depending on the season... and we also found that tick collars for heavy duty --farm dog- use, such as defender, worker really well for our yard dogs, for everything except for flies that bite their stand-up ears.

rabbits get it every 14 days during the warm season; winter they dont get it at all...

with ivomac it is very very important to use the proper dose leaning towards higher rather then underdosing which is ineffective and helps the mites etc develop resistance...ivomac has a high 'overdosing' leeway so the larger the animal the harder to overdose although i did once cause a few rabbits to get rather 'drunk and wobbly' for a day once with the higher dose.

there are several ivomectins/ cydomectin etc we found varying effectiveness among the different types and also among the brand names... it seems that the oneswe got from spain gave less results among the goats and rabbits the belgian and israeli ones worked well...

for super mangy animals follow nienke's advice and bambina's to give improved food/vitamens... we found this works with the goats etc... stress, pregnancys, too much handling, etc seem to help promote the growth rate of all the parasites in the animal's body... as their general immune system lowers...

[kurgen]

The brand name of the tabs is Vormec and it says on the box that it's for dogs under 5 k's

[fourbaht]

Kurgen

I've been doing the same with 2 pups and an older dog at my sons school, they are too scarred to let me pick them up so I have been giving them Vormec

The pups have only had one tablet so far, (vet said one a month) the large dog the vet told me to give one tablet every 3-4 days so thats what I have been doing.

Its only been a few weeks so I don't see any real change yet.

I have had a few dogs overhaulled by the vets and seeing one change from a mangey old thing who can't stop scratching to a healthy fun loving pet is great.. Their character really does change when they stop itching all day long.