gandalf12 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 This is what happens where there are no construction/building codes or enforcement of any kind of construction standards. In your own home, ok, just you get injured. But in a guest house, or any other building used by the unsuspecting public, it is not acceptable. Thailand has yet to enter the latter half of the 20th century, much less the 21st. It will be interesting to read the "Building Inspector's Report prior to Building Occupation", giving details of footings, concrete, rebar used, and overall building construction It will be in the same file as the Fire Dept's inspection before Occupation, detailing fire exits, smoke alarms, extinguishers. What reports? Should be with the building permission application but I bet there isnt any Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilsonandson Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 Aerial photo of the hotel block that collapsed today on Koh Chang Thanks to @iamKohChang twitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxLee Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 Safety regulations???? Face only... And must bwverlose face!!! With materials made in China........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 Now let's see if there is blame apportioned. The hillside collapsed due to rain?Of course. No one to be held responsible. Is that called an act of God here or does it have a local flavour to the God part? And no questions will be asked in regard to: - Approval of the construction blueprints, - Inspections during construction, - Inspection before licencing as a hotel (was it in fact licensed?) - Ongoing regular inspections of the premises,,, etc. In other words: - Several on the ground senior government officers are derelict and should be investigated and punished. - The most senior officers are derelict in not ensuring inspection processes are in place / are not ensuring the processes are enforced and they should be punished even more severely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilsonandson Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 (edited) A fleet of 3 Royal Thai Navy ships ferried the injured to the mainland. Edited June 4, 2016 by Wilsonandson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratcatcher Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 A methaphor for Thailand You mean a methamphetaphor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cumgranosalum Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 No - KC is a particularly high risk case - and has been for years - the rains there often cause chaos and disruption, bridges all got washed away a ew years back and some parts of the island were cut off to 4 wheel traffic for months even years. The infrastructure and regulations are simply not adequate for such a popular island. parts of the island were cut off to 4 wheel traffic for months even years i call BS call what you like - doesn't alter the facts....how much driving do/did you do around KC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shillhater Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 No - KC is a particularly high risk case - and has been for years - the rains there often cause chaos and disruption, bridges all got washed away a ew years back and some parts of the island were cut off to 4 wheel traffic for months even years. The infrastructure and regulations are simply not adequate for such a popular island. parts of the island were cut off to 4 wheel traffic for months even years i call BS call what you like - doesn't alter the facts....how much driving do/did you do around KC?been here long enough to remember no roads or eleteicat it is not a fact it is BS..i have lived here before the roads were built...and at NO time has a road been closed for months or years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cumgranosalum Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 No - KC is a particularly high risk case - and has been for years - the rains there often cause chaos and disruption, bridges all got washed away a ew years back and some parts of the island were cut off to 4 wheel traffic for months even years. The infrastructure and regulations are simply not adequate for such a popular island. parts of the island were cut off to 4 wheel traffic for months even years i call BS call what you like - doesn't alter the facts....how much driving do/did you do around KC?been here long enough to remember no roads or eleteicat it is not a fact it is BS..i have lived here before the roads were built...and at NO time has a road been closed for months or years... Whatever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shillhater Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 cumgranosalumif you are so sure tell me the place that was cut of for months and or years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cumgranosalum Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 cumgranosalum if you are so sure tell me the place that was cut of for months and or years a flicker of doubt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shillhater Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 no cumgranosalum just giving you a chance to prove you are not a BSter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozyjon Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 Note to self. Do not buy two story house in Thailand. or anything else for that matter,, A typical mortar mix ratio is 1 cement : 3 sand. how hard is that to figure out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drbill Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 Very tragic. This is Thailand. Construction is grossly suboptimal Life is cheap. It is a cultural phenomenon. Many Thais do care but in this country money talks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cumgranosalum Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 no cumgranosalum just giving you a chance to prove you are not a BSter no...it's far better to think of the look on your face when your mates tell you that you're wrong. Go on make a fool of yourself down the pub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thairay Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 Easy everyone, perhaps nobody told the builder that it might rain sometimes.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 A few years ago I stayed in a 4-story B&B in the Thong Lor area of Bangkok. I noticed, on the 4th floor, the lighting fixtures swayed whenever an especially large truck went by on the street in front. Don't stay there anymore, expecting we'll read about this place in the news down the road as well. As with most 3rd world and developing countries, you have to take much more responsibility for your own personal safety, as did the earlier poster who checked out early from the Siam Beach Resort after noticing the shabby construction. Wise move. Incidentally, the reviews on Agoda and Trip Advisor of this resort are pretty dismal, citing lack of maintenance as a chief concern. Caveat emptor. Did you ever get stuck on the express way? between the two carriageways you can watch the roads sway all over the place, its quite a sight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 A fleet of 3 Royal Thai Navy ships ferried the injured to the mainland. is this an army pr opportunity then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 (edited) Note to self. Do not buy two story house in Thailand. or anything else for that matter,, A typical mortar mix ratio is 1 cement : 3 sand. how hard is that to figure out Laying some concrete right now, 60 metres long 3 metres wide hand mix, i let my helper put the sand in but I put the cement in, the second he does it hes using less despite being told daily 1 cement 2 sand 3 stone all he can say is " boon mak mak" not only that its taken him 3 weeks to learn to count the shovelfuls in as opposed to the "total guess" method. Then on top of all that is the water ratio...........sheeeeeeesh lets make it like "p****S, even cpac have delivered me this crap, which I sent back Edited June 4, 2016 by kannot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cockwomble Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 No - KC is a particularly high risk case - and has been for years - the rains there often cause chaos and disruption, bridges all got washed away a ew years back and some parts of the island were cut off to 4 wheel traffic for months even years. The infrastructure and regulations are simply not adequate for such a popular island. parts of the island were cut off to 4 wheel traffic for months even years i call BS Nope, hes correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydebolle Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 Well, the TAT will have to chew up something on this one. Why is it that Thailand NEVER gets out of its BAD NEWS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimay1 Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 Judging from the photo of how the concrete has crumbled I can be assured a standard compressive strength test was not made after initial placement of the concrete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cockwomble Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 The location of that eyesore is at the bottom of a steep hill, and next to a steep cliff. The road behind it is prone to flooding.Its poorly maintained, and is pretty much staffed by cambodians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxLee Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 Judging from the photo of how the concrete has crumbled I can be assured a standard compressive strength test was not made after initial placement of the concrete. That's what you call made in China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fookhaht Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 A few years ago I stayed in a 4-story B&B in the Thong Lor area of Bangkok. I noticed, on the 4th floor, the lighting fixtures swayed whenever an especially large truck went by on the street in front. Don't stay there anymore, expecting we'll read about this place in the news down the road as well. As with most 3rd world and developing countries, you have to take much more responsibility for your own personal safety, as did the earlier poster who checked out early from the Siam Beach Resort after noticing the shabby construction. Wise move. Incidentally, the reviews on Agoda and Trip Advisor of this resort are pretty dismal, citing lack of maintenance as a chief concern. Caveat emptor. Did you ever get stuck on the express way? between the two carriageways you can watch the roads sway all over the place, its quite a sightSorry, I've never had the experience of riding in a carriage, much less being on a carriageway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anto Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 Judging from the photo of how the concrete has crumbled I can be assured a standard compressive strength test was not made after initial placement of the concrete. Is the Pope a catholic . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legend49 Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 Rescuers safety gear is great; blue hard hat and flip flops on the feet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soc Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 Note to self. Do not buy two story house in Thailand. or anything else for that matter,, A typical mortar mix ratio is 1 cement : 3 sand. how hard is that to figure out Laying some concrete right now, 60 metres long 3 metres wide hand mix, i let my helper put the sand in but I put the cement in, the second he does it hes using less despite being told daily 1 cement 2 sand 3 stone all he can say is " boon mak mak" not only that its taken him 3 weeks to learn to count the shovelfuls in as opposed to the "total guess" method. Then on top of all that is the water ratio...........sheeeeeeesh lets make it like "p****S, even cpac have delivered me this crap, which I sent back Thats the ratio that l use, 1:2:3. If the concrete has to be really strong, l use 2:2:3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 A few years ago I stayed in a 4-story B&B in the Thong Lor area of Bangkok. I noticed, on the 4th floor, the lighting fixtures swayed whenever an especially large truck went by on the street in front. Don't stay there anymore, expecting we'll read about this place in the news down the road as well. As with most 3rd world and developing countries, you have to take much more responsibility for your own personal safety, as did the earlier poster who checked out early from the Siam Beach Resort after noticing the shabby construction. Wise move. Incidentally, the reviews on Agoda and Trip Advisor of this resort are pretty dismal, citing lack of maintenance as a chief concern. Caveat emptor. Did you ever get stuck on the express way? between the two carriageways you can watch the roads sway all over the place, its quite a sightSorry, I've never had the experience of riding in a carriage, much less being on a carriageway.ImageUploadedByThaivisa Connect1465095500.074327.jpg u aint lived pal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 A few years ago I stayed in a 4-story B&B in the Thong Lor area of Bangkok. I noticed, on the 4th floor, the lighting fixtures swayed whenever an especially large truck went by on the street in front. Don't stay there anymore, expecting we'll read about this place in the news down the road as well. As with most 3rd world and developing countries, you have to take much more responsibility for your own personal safety, as did the earlier poster who checked out early from the Siam Beach Resort after noticing the shabby construction. Wise move. Incidentally, the reviews on Agoda and Trip Advisor of this resort are pretty dismal, citing lack of maintenance as a chief concern. Caveat emptor. Did you ever get stuck on the express way? between the two carriageways you can watch the roads sway all over the place, its quite a sightSorry, I've never had the experience of riding in a carriage, much less being on a carriageway.ImageUploadedByThaivisa Connect1465095500.074327.jpg car·riage·way ˈkerəjˌwā/ nounBRITISH each of the two sides of a divided highway or expressway, each of which usually have two or more lanes. the part of a road intended for vehicles rather than pedestrians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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