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Will Trump lead by example and stop taking income from his ventures in Muslim countries? Will he stop letting Muslims rent space in his buildings. Maybe things are different when there is a buck to be made.

Why are you lumping all Muslim countries together? That seems awfully bigoted. Saudi Arabia is the country in question and they are well-known for supporting terrorism. Every good liberal knows that.

Trump lumps all Muslims together. How is his hotel deal in Jeddah going?

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Oh Donald..... on the shooter: "He was born in Afghan"....

No, he was born in New York. And where the hell is 'Afghan'?

And now he's banned the Washington Post for being nasty to him.

What a bumbling idiot.

" Trump pledged to protect all Americans "wherever they come from, wherever they were born." But he repeatedly referred to Muslims in a negative context.

Though the Orlando shooter 29-year-old Omar Mateen was born in the United States, Trump noted that he was "born to Afghan parents who immigrated to the United States."

Sorry I do not see what you see.

Ultimate sleeper cell: U.S.-born kids of immigrants are fertile jihadist recruiting grounds

While immigrants draw much of the attention, it’s their children who are proving to be the most fruitful recruiting ground for radical jihad in the U.S., accounting for at least half of the deadly attacks over the past decade.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/13/second-generation-americans-proving-most-fruitful-/

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Cannot prove whether one is a radicalized muslim, or not.

In which case...

Laws should protect against the entry of all muslims, until **EXTENSIVE** background checks are made. Once admitted, they should be monitored..closely. That might mean access to their homes and mosques... The cost must be passed on to them.

The father of the perpetrator was...and still is...a radicalized muslim, allowed entry regardless.

Now the son goes postal. What do you think they were talking about while watching the news at dinnertime?

Trump is correct. Need time to reevaluate how immigration is going to deal with these people, before prayer hour gridlocks our cities (look at Marseilles)

period.

Hillary is a disgrace. Have seen video that she sides with Obama and will not be proactive. She would rather assume nobody is a radical, and we should not use the word.

No....no. wait.....she flip flopped..

dumb bxxxtch.

what we have are actually two totally different approaches. I am going with Trump...final answer. Tired of Democrat/Liberal Bulsheet.

cowardly apologists...all of them.

Kindly clarify.....was that the Trump statement or a post?

Thanks in advance.

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Trump going off blowing up the Middle East isn't likely to turn out any better than when it was done by Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld et al. It surely would make things worse.

At least Bill Clinton limited US military action to the Balkans and recognised Vietnam. President Obama has been trying to extricate us from Afghanistan and the ME while cementing US-VN relations.

The murderer came from nowhere other than the United States, born in Queens NY same as Trump was. (Trump probably made the condo sale to the parents.) Ask Trump if he might want to blow up Queens.

People who accuse others of "blood on their hands" are the hysterical rightwingnuts who like the Trump idea of carpetbombing cities and villages in the ME.

The murderer was a treasonous US citizen, what does Trump's real estate holdings have to do with it?

Give your looney-tune, obfuscating entrenchment a rest and read the speech.

Get back with in-context quotes from the speech with some useful comments for once, OK?

It is thoroughly documented that Trump's statements, speeches, pronouncements are fact-free.

Thousands of Muslims in New Jersey cheering the WTC coming down. Et cetera.

I'm reading non-fiction these dayze thanks. I haven't any confusion concerning either thx.

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At least Bill Clinton limited US military action to the Balkans and recognised Vietnam.

You mean in the early 60s when he became draft eligible and ran to Canada? whistling.gif

Bill Clinton was elected Potus and Commander-in-Chief twice. It was he who gave the order for the 1st Air Cavalry Division et al to go get Milosovic and the rest of the genocidal mass murderers.

Btw show where how and when Bill Clinton "ran to Canada" plse thx (state visits while he wuz Potus do not count). President Clinton went to Vietnam as Potus after having established diplomatic relations. Hillary gets along extraordinarily well with 'em too. (Hill and Hanoi both hate Beijing btw.)

Methinks Trump said he once ate at a Vietnamese restaurant in NYC but who can believe anything Benito The Donald says cause Trump is a psychopathic liar.

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Oh Donald..... on the shooter: "He was born in Afghan"....

No, he was born in New York. And where the hell is 'Afghan'?

And now he's banned the Washington Post for being nasty to him.

What a bumbling idiot.

Had I been president this event would not have happened, and would not continue to happen because America would not give citizenship to their sworn enemies. Simple logic if not completely PC.

Seriously? This is the kind of nonsense that Trump would spew. Is there anyone over 5 years of age that would actually believe that?

Come election time most people will realize the Donald for what he is full of BPV

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Republicans are nominating a madman.

“We’re being led by a man who either is not tough, not smart or has something else in mind.”

Donald Trump, in an interview on Fox News, after the Orlando massacre that killed 50 people.

The Lid: “Setting aside the impact that repeating his theories could have on his own electoral chances, Trump’s statements when it comes to national security could be the most consequential parts of his rhetoric when it comes to downballot races. For weeks or even months to come, Republican lawmakers will be asked by journalists and by their political opponents if they believe that Obama is somehow complicit in terror attacks. They’ll be peppered with questions about Trump’s suggestion that Obama should resign in the wake of the attack. They’ll face another round of inquiries about his proposed ban on Muslim immigration.”

“In press conferences, debates, and opposition research, Trump’s positions will be omnipresent for Republicans running for office at any level. If you’re a Republican in a contested race, it’s just about the last thing you probably want to spend the next 147 days doing.”

A raging lunatic.

So...

Democrats Running a Shock and "Blah" Campaign

Politico: “The shock comes courtesy of Donald Trump, whose rhetoric has Republicans debating whether their own nominee is racist and Democrats more confident than ever it will deliver them control of the Senate.”

“The blah comes from the Democratic candidates themselves, who are abiding by a cardinal rule of politics: When your opponent is self-destructing, get out of the way. They’re intentionally playing it safe and boring, figuring their elections will mostly be a referendum on Trump and that animosity toward the real estate magnate will put them over the top in key swing states.”

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It's the madam vs the madman.

As of today voters prefer the madam 49% to 42% which is +7.

Poll: Clinton Eats Away at Trump's Lead Among Men, White Voters

Influence of the events of the past week is evident in the most recent NBC News|SurveyMonkey Weekly Election Tracking Poll, which shows Clinton leading Trump by 7 points, 49 percent to 42 percent.

Clinton's gains over the past two weeks in the tracking poll are coming from increases in support among moderates, men and white voters.

She narrowed Trump's margin among men and white voters from double digits in last week's poll to single digits this week. Clinton picked up 7 points among moderate voters this week and now leads Trump 58 percent to 33 percent among them.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/poll-clinton-expands-lead-after-becoming-presumptive-nominee-n591531

Trump has 100% of the extremist whackjob voters btw. That's 100 to 0.

It's Barry Goldwater 1964 redux for the Republican party as youse guyz barrel along to the Great Republican Train Wreck of 2016. Best thing about this one is that it will jump the tracks with all cars full of rightwhingenuts. Once and for all. The End. Wipeout.

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The text of Trump's National Security speech - Politico June 13, 2016

For those too anti-Trump or too ... something to even click the link, some key quotes:

"A radical Islamic terrorist targeted the nightclub not only because he wanted to kill Americans, but in order to execute gay and lesbian citizens because of their sexual orientation."

"We need to respond to this attack on America as one united people – with force, purpose and determination.

But the current politically correct response cripples our ability to talk and think and act clearly."

"We have an incompetent administration, and if I am not elected President, that will not change over the next four years -- but it must change, and it must change now."

Pretty obvious that those aren't Trump's words. And is he going to build a wall around NY now too?

Whose words were they or was it a conspiracy by Politico to misrepresent his speech?

I'm guessing the person on his campaign who writes vaguely coherent speeches for him.

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Oh Donald..... on the shooter: "He was born in Afghan"....

No, he was born in New York. And where the hell is 'Afghan'?

And now he's banned the Washington Post for being nasty to him.

What a bumbling idiot.

Trump noted that he was "born to Afghan parents who immigrated to the United States."

When you call someone a bumbling idiot, you should probably read the information a couple more times first. whistling.gif

Bumbling idiot.

“The killer, whose name I will not use or ever say, was born in Afghan, of Afghan parents, who immigrated to the United States,” Trump said during a press conference Monday afternoon. “The only reason the killer was in America in the first place was because we allowed his family to come here.”

http://gawker.com/donald-trump-veers-off-script-to-lie-about-where-the-or-1781904813

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Oh, there's more. I forgot Donald struggles at reading.

So how did such a blatant lie make it into his scripted speech? Well, according to a copy of his remarks, Trump ad-libbed the line:

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A good point—the only reason Donald Trump is in America is because we allowed his family to come here, too. Something to think about.

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I think this attack played right into Trump his cards, chances of him becoming president grow.

Who says? Trump is not being "tough" or demonstrating leadership. He's just being loud and stupid. Even the leadership in his own party sees this. The man has no answers and no solutions. He just insults.

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