Advice For Homeless Brit Guy

[Totster]

if he wants help , then take him to the embassy and get the process started.

If he wants help..!?

Thats the important question. OP has also said "This dude is just content to do his thing"

I have to think that if this guy really wanted to do something about it, he already would have done.

totster

[dr_Pat_Pong]

it'd have to be a chitty sort of life.

[englishoak]

question is where does he shower??

[I Go With You]

Is this the older gray haired gentleman with a relatively slight build who hangs around the back side of Silom/Patpong? I live in that area and run into him occasionally when I'm catching Tom Jones or something silly. He's really nice, if it's him, and all he ever asks me to buy him is food at the 7-11. I've been pretty snockered every time he's told me his story, so I can't recall the particulars, but the description of a 50s Englishman who would look somewhat dapper if cleaned up really fits this guy I'm thinking of.

Nope not the guy. this guy is on sukhumvit. As for where he showers, I dont know but he said something about 20 or 30 baht to get that done. I just saw him tonite and he looked really grimey in his chair. He said he starts working very shortly. I said, new job? he said no same one just starting up again

[Gary A]

There are and will always be guys like that here. Their friends probably do them more damage than good. The friends are usually good for a beer or two and a modest meal. I knew a guy who did that for years. Since his diet wasn't exactly what you would call a healthy one, health problems finally became too much for him. Since he was a nice guy and in a very pitiful state, the area farangs started a collection. They collected enough to pay his overstay and for a plane ticket back home. He was cleaned up, ESCORTED to the airport and put on the plane back home. He had a VERY elderly mother still alive and was able to move in with her. He has recovered his health but hasn't been back to Thailand. To his credit, he does stay in contact with the guys who helped him.

It's difficult for many to feel sorry for guys like that, but when you actually know them it makes a big difference. We were just relieved to get him out of here and back home. It was a good way to ruin your day when you saw a bedraggled skin and bones countryman walking up the soi.

[The Skipper]

Perhaps a good checkup, cleanup, haircut, manicure, some fresh clothes and a cheap room with a fridge full of food could jump start a guy like this?

[Gary A]

Perhaps a good checkup, cleanup, haircut, manicure, some fresh clothes and a cheap room with a fridge full of food could jump start a guy like this?

Good thought Skipper, but don't bet on it. The guy I talked about in an above post had this happen many times. There are quite a few guys in the group that I used to hang out with who are VERY well off. They kept this guy going for several years doing exactly that. The guy was willing to work but he had no skills and was too feeble to be doing much manual labor. We finally did what was best for him. We sent him home even though he DIDN'T want to go.

[JimsKnight]

There was a Brit in Ramintra District I rode past once. He was wearing nothing but a pair of shorts and was like a skinny version of Grizzly adams. Minus 2 front teeth and scavanging in the gutters!

Its a shame to see things like this in Thailand. Some folks come out with big dreams and big money but no earnings, they get a two bit teaching/diving job that pays buttons, they end up eating into their savings and eventually end up broke.

I think their trying to push for one-way tickets to be banned but it seems some one-way dudes on dissolve mode always get through...

[johnnyk]

Isn't Leo cheaper than Chang?

[dr_Pat_Pong]

question is where does he shower??

He's a dodger LOL

[Pink Mist]

question is where does he shower??

He's a dodger LOL

this guy wouldnt happen to be a gentleman?

[Totster]

Isn't Leo cheaper than Chang?

no.. Leo is more expensive than *Chang*

totster

[Sunbelt Asia]

I have seen this British guy in the city who is down on his luck. He is homeless sleeping on chairs in all night city restaurants. I have spoken to this gent and he confided to me that he is on multi year overstay. He is a former teacher and is about 53. He has no cash to speak of except for enough to buy his daily cans of chang. He has been spotted scrounging in garbage cans for food. He had his brief case stolen and went to the police to get a police report. He has no fear of the police so he says. Police in fact have questioned him and thrown him out of his favorite sleeping chair a number of times but he keeps returning. I want to advise this guy on what to do but he won't do a border run as he does not have the 20K max fine. Can I suggest anything to this man?

Think I know which guy this is. If it’s not him, then there is another just like him on Sukhumvit. Does he always wear a tie? My wife pointed him out to me a month ago. She was thinking of hiring him as he was down and out and needed a break.

I asked for a resume which we promptly got. It was in fact impressive. He used to work for an airline.

The problem is we got a call that same night of getting a resume, that a drunk foreigner was breaking beer bottles against the wall and had pooped his pants. Turned out it was him still with his tie on. That took care of the idea of making him an assistant manager of a restaurant!

www.sunbeltasiagroup.com

[kasi]

I suggest, that you help this man, by offering food and shelter, but not with cash. Sooner or later local police will demand to see his passport, then he will be processed and deported.

If he gets caught he will languish in the immigration detention in Bangkok until he pays the 20K fine and has a plane ticket out of the country. There is no way the Thai will pay to send him out.

There are hundreds losers like this in the immigration jail right now. Most of them are Burmese, Lao, Vietnamese, Cambodian, Malaysian, Chinese. So he will be in good company.

I'd say save your money and sympathy and let what will be, be.

At least in the immigration jail he will be fed and can bathe. After that it will be up to his embassy to make the connections to help him.

[Oleg_Rus]

Beer Chang? well, I couldn't use his kidney though.

53 ? Lungs too, useless. What's left? Brit citizenship - that can do a trick :-)

20K for overstay, new visa run, marriage cert. = probably not more than 1 kilo of green paper leaves.Maintainance = 3Chang per day + shitty burger.

Return of Investment, even this way, 250%

Export bugger to Uzbekistan, the ROI = 1000%

Ok, I'm in.pls give me his whereabouts, 150 Baht bonus

[mpdkorat]

I have seen this British guy in the city who is down on his luck. He is homeless sleeping on chairs in all night city restaurants. I have spoken to this gent and he confided to me that he is on multi year overstay. He is a former teacher and is about 53. He has no cash to speak of except for enough to buy his daily cans of chang. He has been spotted scrounging in garbage cans for food. He had his brief case stolen and went to the police to get a police report. He has no fear of the police so he says. Police in fact have questioned him and thrown him out of his favorite sleeping chair a number of times but he keeps returning. I want to advise this guy on what to do but he won't do a border run as he does not have the 20K max fine. Can I suggest anything to this man?

Easy leave him alone, he is happy. If you help him return to the UK what will happen to him. If HE really wanted to go to the UK he would have started the ball rolling himself. He wants to stay here!!!

[I Go With You]

I have seen this British guy in the city who is down on his luck. He is homeless sleeping on chairs in all night city restaurants. I have spoken to this gent and he confided to me that he is on multi year overstay. He is a former teacher and is about 53. He has no cash to speak of except for enough to buy his daily cans of chang. He has been spotted scrounging in garbage cans for food. He had his brief case stolen and went to the police to get a police report. He has no fear of the police so he says. Police in fact have questioned him and thrown him out of his favorite sleeping chair a number of times but he keeps returning. I want to advise this guy on what to do but he won't do a border run as he does not have the 20K max fine. Can I suggest anything to this man?

Think I know which guy this is. If it’s not him, then there is another just like him on Sukhumvit. Does he always wear a tie? My wife pointed him out to me a month ago. She was thinking of hiring him as he was down and out and needed a break.

I asked for a resume which we promptly got. It was in fact impressive. He used to work for an airline.

The problem is we got a call that same night of getting a resume, that a drunk foreigner was breaking beer bottles against the wall and had pooped his pants. Turned out it was him still with his tie on. That took care of the idea of making him an assistant manager of a restaurant!

www.sunbeltasiagroup.com

That's him Sunbelt, I just checked out my pics of him and sure enough he had a tie on. I figured someone here must have seen this guy but I never expected it to be you. In one conversation I had with this guy about the visa situation, he did in fact mention Thaivisa and sunbelt asia

[I Go With You]

When I went for a walk last night and passed by his spot, sure enough he was in his chair not sleeping but looking groggy. I passed by a 2nd time and he had vanished and I couldn't help but wonder where he had gone. I passed by a 3rd time and he was back in his chair surrounded by a girl with a tattoo on her neck and a few other regulars. In front of him was....a cold can of Chang. Mystery solved about where he went. I sat nearby him and the 1st thing he said to me was how great it was to be there in the neighborhood. He really truly loves his Sukhumvit home. He calls it his village

[Crash999]

When I went for a walk last night and passed by his spot, sure enough he was in his chair not sleeping but looking groggy. I passed by a 2nd time and he had vanished and I couldn't help but wonder where he had gone. I passed by a 3rd time and he was back in his chair surrounded by a girl with a tattoo on her neck and a few other regulars. In front of him was....a cold can of Chang. Mystery solved about where he went. I sat nearby him and the 1st thing he said to me was how great it was to be there in the neighborhood. He really truly loves his Sukhumvit home. He calls it his village

Sounds like he doesn't want to leave Thailand so the embassy idea likely isn't workable. He's in a vicious cycle of drinking to make himself feel better but drinking is also perpetuating the situation he is in.

Did you ask him what his goals are- what he wants to do? (besides sitting on the chair and drinking chang)

[dantilley]

How about bringing the Embassy to him? If he's always in the same spot, there might be someone working at the British Embassy who can come out and speak to him, maybe even escort him to back the Embassy building to help him get sorted out.

I think the Embassy can pay for such deportations, with the deportee having to reimburse the fare (plus a fine or two, probably) when they get back to the UK. Not sure about the overstay charge, but I'd hypothesize that this could possibly be waived with the negotiation of the Embassy, meaning that the air ticket is the only bill the guy would have to pay. This last point about the overstay is only guess-work on my part though, he may well have to pay that also.

I guess the underlying point, though, is if he wants to be helped or not. If he doesn't, there's little anyone can do except the Thai police...

[markuk]

I have seen this British guy in the city who is down on his luck. He is homeless sleeping on chairs in all night city restaurants. I have spoken to this gent and he confided to me that he is on multi year overstay. He is a former teacher and is about 53. He has no cash to speak of except for enough to buy his daily cans of chang. He has been spotted scrounging in garbage cans for food. He had his brief case stolen and went to the police to get a police report. He has no fear of the police so he says. Police in fact have questioned him and thrown him out of his favorite sleeping chair a number of times but he keeps returning. I want to advise this guy on what to do but he won't do a border run as he does not have the 20K max fine. Can I suggest anything to this man?

Think I know which guy this is. If it’s not him, then there is another just like him on Sukhumvit. Does he always wear a tie? My wife pointed him out to me a month ago. She was thinking of hiring him as he was down and out and needed a break.

I asked for a resume which we promptly got. It was in fact impressive. He used to work for an airline.

The problem is we got a call that same night of getting a resume, that a drunk foreigner was breaking beer bottles against the wall and had pooped his pants. Turned out it was him still with his tie on. That took care of the idea of making him an assistant manager of a restaurant!

www.sunbeltasiagroup.com

That's him Sunbelt, I just checked out my pics of him and sure enough he had a tie on. I figured someone here must have seen this guy but I never expected it to be you. In one conversation I had with this guy about the visa situation, he did in fact mention Thaivisa and sunbelt asia

Yep i have seen this guy too, he has been many the topic of conversation within the bars, used to work for airline and has been bumming round for years, guys who know him say he seems to have really lost it. Forget his name now but it will come back to me!

[Noel]

When I went for a walk last night and passed by his spot, sure enough he was in his chair not sleeping but looking groggy. I passed by a 2nd time and he had vanished and I couldn't help but wonder where he had gone. I passed by a 3rd time and he was back in his chair surrounded by a girl with a tattoo on her neck and a few other regulars. In front of him was....a cold can of Chang. Mystery solved about where he went. I sat nearby him and the 1st thing he said to me was how great it was to be there in the neighborhood. He really truly loves his Sukhumvit home. He calls it his village

Sounds like he doesn't want to leave Thailand so the embassy idea likely isn't workable.

The Embassy idea is essentially a non-starter in any event, excepting mental illness. The following is from the Bangkok British Embassy website:

What kind of help we can provide

This page gives advice about what help we can provide if you do get into difficulty. We offer help which is appropriate to the individual circumstances of each case, including:

* issuing replacement passports;

* providing information about transferring funds;

* providing appropriate help if you have suffered rape or serious assault, are a victim of other crime, or are in hospital;

* helping people with mental illness;

* providing details of local lawyers, interpreters and doctors and funeral directors;

* doing all we properly can to contact you within 24 hours of being told that you have been detained;

* offering support and help in a range of other cases, such as child abductions, death of relatives overseas, missing people and kidnapping;

* contacting family or friends for you if you want; and

* making special arrangements in cases of terrorism, civil disturbances or natural disasters.

UK law says we have to charge for some services. Consulates display the current fees and the standards of service you can expect under Service First.

We cannot...

* get you out of prison, prevent the local authorities from deporting you after your prison sentence, or interfere in criminal or civil court proceedings;

* help you enter a country, for example, if you do not have a visa or your passport is not valid, as we cannot interfere in another country’s immigration policy or procedures;

* give you legal advice, investigate crimes or carry out searches for missing people, although we can give you details of people who may be able to help you in these cases, such as English-speaking lawyers;

* perform notarial acts, administer oaths (except oaths of allegiance) and take affidavits that are effectual in the UK

* get you better treatment in hospital or prison than is given to local people;

* pay any bills or give you money (in very exceptional circumstances we may lend you some money from public funds, which you will have to pay back);

* make travel arrangements for you, or find you work or accommodation; or

* make business arrangements on your behalf.

Source

Apart from the fact that he does not even appear to want to go back, it seems likely he has nothing to go back to. If he ever did have any bridges, they were most probably burned long ago.

The reality is that he would have more chance of help if he was an asylum seeker...

[The Dan Sai Kid]

Do the Thai police ever crackdown on this sort of thing?

I remember a while back about a Dutch guy that was begging on the Skytrain, is he still doing this?

[I Go With You]

I get the impression that this guy wants no part of going home. He loves his little section of Sukhumvit. I amazed that he is allowed to hang around as he is. There are constantly police coming and going from his spot

[PeaceBlondie]

What ever happened to Dickie, my old workmate at the school? Maybe that's him, or a spitting/drinking image of him. Dickie put on a tie and tried to teach London English to Thais, and over holiday he called me for Phuket or Pattaya or Patpong and I sent him 12,000 baht and....he never worked again. We saw him once at the mall, but I didn't bother to ask for my money.

Hey, Dickie Boy, good luck. No hard feelings, mate. But no more cash advances, either.

I've done some bits of charity work, such as when we helped massacre survivors, at their request. However, but this guy in this topic reminds me of my ex brother in law. Very much "ex" since he died of alcoholism, face down on the bathroom floor. I wish this guy luck, but if it's Dickie, ask him to pay me first.

[I Go With You]

Do the Thai police ever crackdown on this sort of thing?

I remember a while back about a Dutch guy that was begging on the Skytrain, is he still doing this?

dont know about the dutch guy but this brit is no beggar for sure, never asked me for a baht but offered to buy a beer which I declined. The police do not seem to care and as I said earlier he even went to the police station to report the theft of his belongings which contained his passport and obtained a police report. He said they were not very helpful toward him (who can blame them?). He has been ripped off a few times while he sleeps on his chair by a few girl regulars. Believe it or not there is a 2nd homeless Japanese guy who used to sleep there also. This guy has not been around much lately but I did spot him there the other night

[The Dan Sai Kid]

Do the Thai police ever crackdown on this sort of thing?

I remember a while back about a Dutch guy that was begging on the Skytrain, is he still doing this?

dont know about the dutch guy but this brit is no beggar for sure, never asked me for a baht but offered to buy a beer which I declined. The police do not seem to care and as I said earlier he even went to the police station to report the theft of his belongings which contained his passport and obtained a police report. He said they were not very helpful toward him (who can blame them?). He has been ripped off a few times while he sleeps on his chair by a few girl regulars. Believe it or not there is a 2nd homeless Japanese guy who used to sleep there also. This guy has not been around much lately but I did spot him there the other night

So, he does have money from working?

(Am I just being dumb?)

[PREM-R]

Seems that this guy is in deep trouble, OP says that he is on 'long overstay' and now it is reported that he has no passport. Surely he needs to contact the British Embassy PDQ or he will, for sure, end up in the 'monkey house'.

[I Go With You]

What ever happened to Dickie, my old workmate at the school? Maybe that's him, or a spitting/drinking image of him. Dickie put on a tie and tried to teach London English to Thais, and over holiday he called me for Phuket or Pattaya or Patpong and I sent him 12,000 baht and....he never worked again. We saw him once at the mall, but I didn't bother to ask for my money.

Hey, Dickie Boy, good luck. No hard feelings, mate. But no more cash advances, either.

I've done some bits of charity work, such as when we helped massacre survivors, at their request. However, but this guy in this topic reminds me of my ex brother in law. Very much "ex" since he died of alcoholism, face down on the bathroom floor. I wish this guy luck, but if it's Dickie, ask him to pay me first.

As far as I know this guy's name is Ken

[RamdomChances]

He has no cash to speak of except for enough to buy his daily cans of chang

Tell him to start buying the big bottles, they are cheaper than cans