Woman to man gets unused penis from man to woman sort of Thai version of recycling. Operation called addadicktome. 555555

Edited June 18, 201610 yr by Strangebrew

At 77 and a grandfather,I reckon all this gender bending is just part of the current vogue for change. People are simply fed up with the old norms, be they social, political, cultural or sexual.

The symptoms are all around us - the revolt against multiculturalism and political correctness; the meteoric rise of Donald Trump and the rabid Right; Brits threatening a Brexit; and, of course, the fad for being transsexual.

I've long since learned you can't fight "progress". So either we get out of Europe or I'm off to Marks & Sparks for a frock and high heels.

See you in the gym.

''...gym exclusively for trans men and lesbians.''

Seems like discrimination to me, yet no outrage from the PC brigade :whistle:

It's the Justin Bieber generation.

Is that the same as the millenials, "Give me an experience" thing?

Not sure... But I think they r also called douchebag. 555

To clarify, as so many are always confused about this.

A transgender male is a female that is transitioning or has transitioned to a male.

This is NOT the SAME thing as a lesbian.

This is NOT the SAME thing as a butch lesbian.

GENDER identification is not the same thing as sexual orientation.

I see it as discrimination as well. I guess you could also create a 'straight' gym and decline LBGT folks. It's true these folks have been discriminated against forever but is it right that they get some special privilege to do the same when the world is changing? I'd say it's probably the same with other victims of discrimination. Society seems to give them a free pass to discriminate. In Thailand it probably doesn't mean much since there is open discrimination in various forms. The two-tier pricing is one. The Japanese bars used to have signs on the door telling who was allowed inside. Overall I think this is a good thing for these folks. I wonder if this is what most trans people really want. It always seems acceptance as being a real woman or man was what was wanted rather than just being able to join a group of other trans people.

In Thailand, such discrimination is entirely legal.

You've seen the signs, Japanese Only.

When in Rome.

Their country, their rules, or lack thereof.

In Thailand, such discrimination is entirely legal.

You've seen the signs, Japanese Only.

When in Rome.

Their country, their rules, or lack thereof.

Just a matter of time before you turned up - the TV gay expert who bans everyone who disagrees with him.

This would make Obama proud!

This would make Obama proud!

It is true that President Obama has been the strongest major power leader supporter of LGBTQABCXYZDOREME civil rights in history. I'm not sure what he would say about the gym membership policies. They are separate questions.

It's true in most nations that have visible transgender people that transgender women are more visible than transgender men. I think it's usually a matter of relative numbers. Also homophobes / transphobes are much more often "disturbed" about gender and/or orientation NON-conforming males than females. It's well known a top fantasy of straight men is lesbian sex or threesomes with two women, etc..

The transgender man in the picture in the article is a very sexy MAN.

To add, a lot of very poorly informed people THINK they are seeing lots of transgender men in Thailand because they confuse butch lesbians with transgender men. Yes, lots of butch lesbians here and often they are very cute indeed (though wouldn't recommend calling them cute to their face, you may get SLAPPED). So that complicates the perception of how many transgender men there are. There aren't very many.

Edited June 18, 201610 yr by Jingthing

]BTW, Richard Simmons was doing the gym thing decades ago. According to the National Enquirer he has transformed and is now called Fiona. I believe that Fiona is more age appropriate for the Thai Visa members.

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And I thought he was ugliest as a man. Pardon my mistake.

I only need to know if it's safe to drop the soap in the shower there or not. Nothing else concerns me.

I only need to know if it's safe to drop the soap in the shower there or not. Nothing else concerns me.

Well some trans men are into men but I doubt many are rapists.

Next ...

In Thailand, such discrimination is entirely legal.

You've seen the signs, Japanese Only.

When in Rome.

Their country, their rules, or lack thereof.

Come on JT....you are normally level headed, but by jumping on the ''when in Rome'' train you're being hypocritical. So you're ok with gay people being imprisoned and/or killed in some countries, because I'm not. One can't be selectively offended: I'm offended by ALL discrimination. You?

In Thailand, such discrimination is entirely legal.

You've seen the signs, Japanese Only.

When in Rome.

Their country, their rules, or lack thereof.

Come on JT....you are normally level headed, but by jumping on the ''when in Rome'' train you're being hypocritical. So you're ok with gay people being imprisoned and/or killed in some countries, because I'm not. One can't be selectively offended: I'm offended by ALL discrimination. You?

The ignore list feature is a way of discriminating so I suppose the honest answer is no. Gym membership policies aren't exactly on the same level as death penalties. Duh.

Pretty much everyone is hypocritical. It's the human condition. But again there are different levels of hypocrisy.

I suppose a factor in this is I can't imagine many people who don't fit their target would really want to go there. So I don't see the big harm.

Edited June 18, 201610 yr by Jingthing

I only need to know if it's safe to drop the soap in the shower there or not. Nothing else concerns me.

Well some trans men are into men but I doubt many are rapists.

Next ...

Yea never know. A good opportunity it would be. ;-)

Ting Thing is still crying at no being asked t be a mod so he pretends he has power by blocking people.

This whole thing is a sickness that seems to affect a lot of people under 40 years of age. Is it a mental disease? Probably....but as long as they don't harm anyone else no-one will bother to do anything about it.

What causes it. Maybe something in amongst the chemical crap added to the food they eat. Maybe their vegetarian.....or even worse.....vegan!

Edited June 18, 201610 yr by BSJ

This whole thing is a sickness that seems to affect a lot of people under 40 years of age. Is it a mental disease? Probably....but as long as they don't harm anyone else no-one will bother to do anything about it.

What causes it. Maybe something in amongst the chemical crap added to the food they eat. Maybe their vegetarian.....or even worse.....vegan!

So you're suggesting homophobia and transphobia is a mental illness caused by tofu?

This whole thing is a sickness that seems to affect a lot of people under 40 years of age. Is it a mental disease? Probably....but as long as they don't harm anyone else no-one will bother to do anything about it.

What causes it. Maybe something in amongst the chemical crap added to the food they eat. Maybe their vegetarian.....or even worse.....vegan!

Yes, it is a mental disorder as it is in the DSM V

http://www.dsm5.org/documents/gender%20dysphoria%20fact%20sheet.pdf

Edited June 18, 201610 yr by Sawan Chan 7

This whole thing is a sickness that seems to affect a lot of people under 40 years of age. Is it a mental disease? Probably....but as long as they don't harm anyone else no-one will bother to do anything about it.

What causes it. Maybe something in amongst the chemical crap added to the food they eat. Maybe their vegetarian.....or even worse.....vegan!

Yes, it is a mental disorder as it is in the DSM V

http://www.dsm5.org/documents/gender%20dysphoria%20fact%20sheet.pdf

Did anyone actually think they were normal?

This whole thing is a sickness that seems to affect a lot of people under 40 years of age. Is it a mental disease? Probably....but as long as they don't harm anyone else no-one will bother to do anything about it.

What causes it. Maybe something in amongst the chemical crap added to the food they eat. Maybe their vegetarian.....or even worse.....vegan!

They used to say similar things about homosexuality. In both cases, the truth is that they've always been around, but acceptance leads to increased visibility.

Did anyone actually think they were normal?

NOT a disorder.

Duh!

http://www.dsm5.org/documents/gender%20dysphoria%20fact%20sheet.pdf

Part of removing stigma is about choosing the right words. Replacing “disorder” with “dysphoria” in the diagnostic label is not only more appropriate and consistent with familiar clinical sexology terminology, it also removes the connotation that the patient is “disordered.” Ultimately, the changes regarding gender dysphoria in DSM-5 respect the individuals identified by offering a diagnostic name that is more appropriate to the symptoms and behaviors they experience without jeopardizing their access to effective treatment options.

Anyway, that's a U.S. source. Not informed about what's up with Thai psychiatry, and almost afraid to ask ...

Edited June 18, 201610 yr by Jingthing

Did anyone actually think they were normal?

NOT a disorder.

Duh!

http://www.dsm5.org/documents/gender%20dysphoria%20fact%20sheet.pdf

Part of removing stigma is about choosing the right words. Replacing disorder with dysphoria in the diagnostic label is not only more appropriate and consistent with familiar clinical sexology terminology, it also removes the connotation that the patient is disordered. Ultimately, the changes regarding gender dysphoria in DSM-5 respect the individuals identified by offering a diagnostic name that is more appropriate to the symptoms and behaviors they experience without jeopardizing their access to effective treatment options.

Anyway, that's a U.S. source. Not informed about what's up with Thai psychiatry, and almost afraid to ask ...

Duh, what does DSM stand for?

Did anyone actually think they were normal?

NOT a disorder.

Duh!

http://www.dsm5.org/documents/gender%20dysphoria%20fact%20sheet.pdf

Part of removing stigma is about choosing the right words. Replacing disorder with dysphoria in the diagnostic label is not only more appropriate and consistent with familiar clinical sexology terminology, it also removes the connotation that the patient is disordered. Ultimately, the changes regarding gender dysphoria in DSM-5 respect the individuals identified by offering a diagnostic name that is more appropriate to the symptoms and behaviors they experience without jeopardizing their access to effective treatment options.

Anyway, that's a U.S. source. Not informed about what's up with Thai psychiatry, and almost afraid to ask ...

Duh, what does DSM stand for?

............................,,.I can Google.

Can you Google?

It's usually faster to get your answers that way, and doesn't waste space on TV.

Try it. You'll like it.

Edited June 19, 201610 yr by Fookhaht

After 14 years in Thailand I am pretty clued up on the endless

Thai men who want to be women for some reason. However I

am a bit confused at what I am looking at here. The photo is of

a somewhat effeminate man. So I am looking at a woman

who wants to be a man ?? Guess I am more used to tough

looking toms out with their cute dee girlfriends.. What the hell

is the difference between a tom and a transgender man ??

Sigh, I miss the good old days.......

One stands to pee, The other is a bloke

Did anyone actually think they were normal?

NOT a disorder.

Duh!

http://www.dsm5.org/documents/gender%20dysphoria%20fact%20sheet.pdf

Part of removing stigma is about choosing the right words. Replacing disorder with dysphoria in the diagnostic label is not only more appropriate and consistent with familiar clinical sexology terminology, it also removes the connotation that the patient is disordered. Ultimately, the changes regarding gender dysphoria in DSM-5 respect the individuals identified by offering a diagnostic name that is more appropriate to the symptoms and behaviors they experience without jeopardizing their access to effective treatment options.

Anyway, that's a U.S. source. Not informed about what's up with Thai psychiatry, and almost afraid to ask ...

Duh, what does DSM stand for?

............................,,.I can Google.

Can you Google?

It's usually faster to get your answers that way, and doesn't waste space on TV.

Try it. You'll like it.

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I was going to say nothing as you are probably American. Try googling sarcasm.

Did you really think I didn't know? Please answer honestly.

Did anyone actually think they were normal?

NOT a disorder.

Duh!

http://www.dsm5.org/documents/gender%20dysphoria%20fact%20sheet.pdf

Part of removing stigma is about choosing the right words. Replacing disorder with dysphoria in the diagnostic label is not only more appropriate and consistent with familiar clinical sexology terminology, it also removes the connotation that the patient is disordered. Ultimately, the changes regarding gender dysphoria in DSM-5 respect the individuals identified by offering a diagnostic name that is more appropriate to the symptoms and behaviors they experience without jeopardizing their access to effective treatment options.

Anyway, that's a U.S. source. Not informed about what's up with Thai psychiatry, and almost afraid to ask ...

Duh, what does DSM stand for?

It's a manual of mental disorders. I can't believe someone is trying to say that something in it is NOT a disorder. Jing Thing, get real, it is a mental disease/disorder/malady/affliction or are you saying that you know more than the top psychiatric doctors in the world?

Did anyone actually think they were normal?

NOT a disorder.

Duh!

http://www.dsm5.org/documents/gender%20dysphoria%20fact%20sheet.pdf

Part of removing stigma is about choosing the right words. Replacing disorder with dysphoria in the diagnostic label is not only more appropriate and consistent with familiar clinical sexology terminology, it also removes the connotation that the patient is disordered. Ultimately, the changes regarding gender dysphoria in DSM-5 respect the individuals identified by offering a diagnostic name that is more appropriate to the symptoms and behaviors they experience without jeopardizing their access to effective treatment options.

Anyway, that's a U.S. source. Not informed about what's up with Thai psychiatry, and almost afraid to ask ...

Duh, what does DSM stand for?

............................,,.I can Google.

Can you Google?

It's usually faster to get your answers that way, and doesn't waste space on TV.

Try it. You'll like it.

ImageUploadedByThaivisa Connect1466296653.070506.jpg

I was going to say nothing as you are probably American. Try googling sarcasm.

Did you really think I didn't know? Please answer honestly.

Sarcasm without a detectible purpose is simply a poor/unskilled attempt at humor. FAIL.

More irrationally, is that you appear to be another one-track-mind American-basher. Amazing how they can work that into virtually any topic. Kudos.

Edited June 19, 201610 yr by Fookhaht