Trump: We don't know 'about Hillary in terms of religion'

[farcanell]

I didn't know they were running for pope.

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Are you familiar with the term "moral compass"?

If she doesn't have one handy (and it appears she doesn't), I guess she and her foundation certainly have enough money to pick one up at Versace or Oscar de la Renta.

Maybe morals are so right-wing and yesterday, like the Constitution? I'll guess we have to ask Obama, since he was reportedly a constitutional lecturer.

This is why America is completely screwed. The Religious nut jobs really do believe that it is not possible to have a Moral compass without religion. I do not need the Bible to tell me 'Thou shalt not kill', funny though, all the Right Wing Religious nut jobs that do kill seem to believe they do it in Gods name. This planet can never ever be at peace while we have religion that promotes belief in something made up by men to promote their own requirements for power (where was their moral compass?). I find it offensive that you suggest people that do not believe in fairy stories have no moral compass.

I am very sorry that you found it offensive but you are entitled to exercise your right to be offended any time you wish.

However, it was entirely your misunderstanding of my post that prompted you to exercise that right.

I made no association intentionally between religion and a notion of a "moral compass". If I had to bet money on it, though, I'd say that the closest Hillary ever got to religion was the "In God We Trust" enshrined on US dollar bill.

But, hey! I could be wrong. Has she mentioned God in any of her speeches (I find hearing her speak very nauseating so I avoid it, BTW)? Just asking?

Anyway, you must have missed my previous post on this thread that outlines my position on the matter HERE (ie, click this)

I suspect that folk may have, perhaps erroneously, assumed you were linking morality and religion, when you replied to Moshe's one liner ...."I didn't know that they were running for pope", were you replied. ....."are you familiar with the term moral compass"

That said, I note your linked post.

However, I also find any implication, both offensive and repugnant, whereby it is suggested that a person who does not believe in fairy tales from another millennium, is somehow wanting, when it comes to their morality

Further, I would humbly suggest, that those amongst us, who don't believe in Santa Claus, the Easter bunny or Jesus Christ, have a better grip on our sense of morality, as we cannot simply take ourselves off to see a priest to have our "compass" reset, should we transgress against societal norms, or worse.

Indeed, we must live, without relief, with these transgressions weighing on our conscience, until day's end.

[Andaman Al]

I didn't know they were running for pope.

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Are you familiar with the term "moral compass"?

If she doesn't have one handy (and it appears she doesn't), I guess she and her foundation certainly have enough money to pick one up at Versace or Oscar de la Renta.

Maybe morals are so right-wing and yesterday, like the Constitution? I'll guess we have to ask Obama, since he was reportedly a constitutional lecturer.

This is why America is completely screwed. The Religious nut jobs really do believe that it is not possible to have a Moral compass without religion. I do not need the Bible to tell me 'Thou shalt not kill', funny though, all the Right Wing Religious nut jobs that do kill seem to believe they do it in Gods name. This planet can never ever be at peace while we have religion that promotes belief in something made up by men to promote their own requirements for power (where was their moral compass?). I find it offensive that you suggest people that do not believe in fairy stories have no moral compass.

I am very sorry that you found it offensive but you are entitled to exercise your right to be offended any time you wish.

However, it was entirely your misunderstanding of my post that prompted you to exercise that right.

I made no association intentionally between religion and a notion of a "moral compass". If I had to bet money on it, though, I'd say that the closest Hillary ever got to religion was the "In God We Trust" enshrined on US dollar bill.

But, hey! I could be wrong. Has she mentioned God in any of her speeches (I find hearing her speak very nauseating so I avoid it, BTW)? Just asking?

Anyway, you must have missed my previous post on this thread that outlines my position on the matter HERE (ie, click this)

And if that is the closest HRC has ever come to God, then so what? I refer you to Article VI, Clause 3 of the US constitution. By its plain terms, no federal office holder or employee can be required to adhere to or accept any particular religion or doctrine as a prerequisite to holding a federal office or a federal Government job.

Better for her to say little of religion if she is not a believer than the alternative, which is the obsequious liar Trump, falsely claiming to be e believer and that the Bible is his favourite book. It is so blatantly a lie that he should be barred from office on that issue alone. He is as much a believer as Billy Graham.

Edited June 23, 2016 by Andaman Al

[MaxYakov]

Mosha, on 22 Jun 2016 - 15:31, said:

I didn't know they were running for pope.

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Are you familiar with the term "moral compass"?

If she doesn't have one handy (and it appears she doesn't), I guess she and her foundation certainly have enough money to pick one up at Versace or Oscar de la Renta.

Maybe morals are so right-wing and yesterday, like the Constitution? I'll guess we have to ask Obama, since he was reportedly a constitutional lecturer.

This is why America is completely screwed. The Religious nut jobs really do believe that it is not possible to have a Moral compass without religion. I do not need the Bible to tell me 'Thou shalt not kill', funny though, all the Right Wing Religious nut jobs that do kill seem to believe they do it in Gods name. This planet can never ever be at peace while we have religion that promotes belief in something made up by men to promote their own requirements for power (where was their moral compass?). I find it offensive that you suggest people that do not believe in fairy stories have no moral compass.

I am very sorry that you found it offensive but you are entitled to exercise your right to be offended any time you wish.

However, it was entirely your misunderstanding of my post that prompted you to exercise that right.

I made no association intentionally between religion and a notion of a "moral compass". If I had to bet money on it, though, I'd say that the closest Hillary ever got to religion was the "In God We Trust" enshrined on US dollar bill.

But, hey! I could be wrong. Has she mentioned God in any of her speeches (I find hearing her speak very nauseating so I avoid it, BTW)? Just asking?

Anyway, you must have missed my previous post on this thread that outlines my position on the matter HERE (ie, click this)

And if that is the closest HRC has ever come to God, then so what? I refer you to Article VI, Clause 3 of the US constitution. By its plain terms, no federal office holder or employee can be required to adhere to or accept any particular religion or doctrine as a prerequisite to holding a federal office or a federal Government job.

Better for her to say little of religion if she is not a believer than the alternative, which is the obsequious liar Trump, falsely claiming to be e believer and that the Bible is his favourite book. It is so blatantly a lie that he should be barred from office on that issue alone. He is as much a believer as Billy Graham.

My original post was not intended to refer to her religiosity. I was attempting to place in question the quality of her character, regardless of how it was established during her upbringing and thereafter and did so in terms of a "moral compass".

We would probably all agree that an upbringing based on religious values, for better or for worse, can and will contribute to nature of a person's "moral compass" and/or character. Religion is, no doubt, not the only contributor - there are several of them.

The only instance in my posts where I intended to possibly refer to religion in any of my posts was the question of the basis of the unalienable rights as established in the US Declaration of Independence. Even then, it was a question I posed about the notion of a Creator in that document as to what would be the basis or rationalization of those stated unalienable rights in the absence of the document's assertion of the existence of a Creator.

Now that religion is on the table, how would you feel about the election of a devout Muslim as US president, such as Mr. Kahn, the recently-elected London mayor?

PS: The US Constitution attempts to make a government position religion-blind by law, but I don't know of any law making US elections must be religion-blind. Do you? Such a law would be rather difficult to enforce, wouldn't it?

Edited June 23, 2016 by MaxYakov

[arjunadawn]

It's actually none of anyone's affair what and if someone worships or believes...unless of course...it is someone's affair!

Hillary, like her president, have not gone out of their way to make people in the Southern Hemisphere 'feel good about [their] contributions'. She has not gone out of her way to champion the Pacific Islanders as a misunderstood boat people. And she has not gone out of her way to fund the long ignored indigenous ethnobotanists of Botswana.

Hillary has gone out of her way to surround herself with people associated with the Muslum Brotherhood. She was SecState when Obama's prime directive to NASA director was a 'number one priority to make Muslims feel good about their contributions' to science; surely a diplomatic function. Hillary militated against DOD advise to support the MB against Egypt, in Libya, etc. Hillary personally accepted vast sums from religious figures, whatever their dual use roles were as leaders. Islamic leaders ARE religious leaders. Hillary favorably acted on behalf of religious people.

Hillary has defined her tenure in recent public life as an advocate and apologist for a religion. Stop! Period! End of story. Nothing needs follow; for this point it doesn't even matter which religion. Trump's musing is valid.

[bendejo]

A few weeks ago some Christian groups said they were at odds with Trump's lack of empathy for refugees.

I don't know (or care) about Hillary's religious stance, but she has a spiel she can go into that involves her upbringing etc, I remember it from 2008. She's smart enough to not let it get into swapping quotes with the bible thumpers, which DT tried to and made the usual ass of himself.

[slipperylobster]

At this point, Trump need not worry overly much.

Clinton Shenanigans are famous.

She gave up on religion long ago.

Bill probably had sex in church...same like the oval office.

Hillary and Bill are Morally Corrupt anyways.

Every week that passes, democrats slowly (their nature) are becoming frightened.

She is not the goddess that they make her out to be....is she?

Fatally flawed, unreliable, dishonest, corrupt and just plain impossible to work with.

Her ignorant minion of left wing nutcakers just trudge on....regardless of her obvious problems.

They just don't have anyone else...do they?

[sgtsabai]

"Does the notion of a Creator necessitate that the concept be part of a religion?" If I understand that question correctly, no. Both "candidates", how the hell did the US every fall so low, are morally corrupt. I had to deal with morally corrupt evangelical born again's back in the states, vile evil people. Willing to do what ever it took to further their agenda. In depositions I had my attorney ask one if lying for jesus was ok. That caused a break in the proceedings...lol. I've no use for bible thumpers, was raised in the Southern Baptist church to be another Billy Graham. Yea, I did a lot of "preaching" don't believe that are my parents liked what I had to say. Abusive parents, most of them, including the much loved preacher of our church. I ran into deacons and the choir leader in a honky tonk over in Louisiana when I was 17. No, morals do not come out of religion, neither do ethics. Both are sorely lacking not only in what passes for America but the world. Religion is the opium of the masses..........Oh and who gives a damn where Bill had sex? JFK had sex with an East German spy in the White House swimming pool. "Her ignorant minion of left wing nutcakers just trudge on"? Seriously you think those that support her are left wing, forget the wingnut part, that applies to the entire Republican party. Her supporters are bought and sold just like her, by Wall Street criminals/banksters, at least the ones that count. The left does NOT support her. Some women because, she is a woman, yea that makes sense, NOT! Sorry state of affairs for America, the worst slate of candidates in recent history and certainly in my life time.