So what did the Brexit supporters gain?

[NeverSure]

UK public debt to GDP = 89.2%, USA public debt to GDP = 104.17%. How is the UK debt worse?

Neither is good, however the UK doesn't have the natural resources or the economic engine that the US has for recovery. The US has 95,000 miles (153,000 kms) of saltwater shoreline. It has the world's largest oil reserves. It has vast forests of timber and minerals. It has modern inventions such as the computer and the internet that create a ton of jobs and wealth.

Great Britain and the US have long been world powerhouses but they have become spoiled, lazy and entitled. They are slipping. The people are going to have to take the countries back and make them work again as they always did.

Cheers.

[Boon Mee]

As a 27 year old Brit, the future of Britain is mine.

Except a load of poorly educated, middle aged racists have made the future oh so more sketchy.

Well done.

As one of the few young Brits on this forum, I feel for you. All the news reports that I have seen indicate that young Brits like yourself voted overwhelmingly to remain. It's the older folks who voted in the other direction. The thing is, it's the young who's going to have to deal with the fallout for much longer. It just doesn't seem fair.

Not fair you say?

There's no such thing as a Free Lunch and the sooner you Nanny Staters get a grasp of that fact - Socialsim is a great form of government until somebody else's money runs out, eh?

“The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The inherent virtue of Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.” – Winston Churchill

Edited June 25, 2016 by Boon Mee

[GuestHouse]

Congratulation to Britain; most are proponents either politically informed completely wrong or just plain stupid. Good Luck GB

You should get the facts right, England voted to leave, Scotland and Ireland voted to remain, just happens there are more people in England.

Scotland will now pursue a second referendum and Ireland wants integration not separation, the UK/EU border is not going to help the political process.

It is a historic day, the beginning of a Dis-United Kingdom.

Wrong again Sandy. You are a poor loser.

800k Welsh and 1m Scots voted for LEAVE.

God bless the Celts

A day for celebration.

I was in Edinburgh for the referendum vote and result.

SandyF's comments are completely aligned with the views that were being openly expressed by almost everyone I met in Edinburgh.

The Scotts need only now sit back and see what happens before they decide their own future.

Britain has benefitted enormously from international trade accessing the European markets via the UK (English speaking nation with access direct to the EU).

If England want to give up that trade, there is absolutely no reason why Scotland shouldn't, couldn't or wouldn't take it.

[hugh2121]

No. It says a lot about the idiots who voted to wreck the UK economy.

Madness.

Its called democrasy, just because you don't agree with the vote, well I'm afraid you're going to have to live with it, 17 million people can't be wrong surely? Maybe they're not mad but have different princibles to you.

So you're saying that 16 million people ARE wrong.

[MissAndry]

But when we live in a world where there is competition you will be fighting a losing battle, why would people buy your more expensive products?

Quality, ease of repair, freshness, organic, pesticide free to name but a few reasons.

[MissAndry]

I was in Edinburgh for the referendum vote and result.

SandyF's comments are completely aligned with the views that were being openly expressed by almost everyone I met in Edinburgh.

The Scotts need only now sit back and see what happens before they decide their own future.

If it wasn't for the English, the Scots wouldn't even have paved roads.

[shunter]

I seem to recall from my history lessons that many people though England as it was then was entirely out of step with the rest of Europe and a lot of other countries in the world when the English told the Germans in 1939, ''Enough is enough.''

All this Brexit issue is a rerun of that last little action now due in a large part to a little too much German influence being involved in matters.

Note the comments about an extended German influenced European military force as one instance .

Edited June 25, 2016 by shunter

[blinddodger]

Fox news reporting we have voted to leave UN lol

[GuestHouse]

I was in Edinburgh for the referendum vote and result.

SandyF's comments are completely aligned with the views that were being openly expressed by almost everyone I met in Edinburgh.

The Scotts need only now sit back and see what happens before they decide their own future.

If it wasn't for the English, the Scots wouldn't even have paved roads.

Doh!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Loudon_McAdam

[ljd1308]

But when we live in a world where there is competition you will be fighting a losing battle, why would people buy your more expensive products?

Quality, ease of repair, freshness, organic, pesticide free to name but a few reasons.

Good reasons, but they are available now too.

[GuestHouse]

I seem to recall from my history lessons that many people though England as it was then was entirely out of step with the rest of Europe and a lot of other countries in the world when the English told the Germans in 1939, ''Enough is enough.''

All this Brexit issue is a rerun of that last little action now due in a large part to a little too much German influence being involved in matters.

Note the comments about an extended German influenced European military force as one instance .

The English didn't tell the German's enough is enough, it was the British, with the backing of an Empire.

Britain no longer has an empire and it is very likely will not have a Union for much longer.

But your points about German power are not unfounded, all the more reason not to give up our direct influence on the EU - ah but too late now.

[Berty100]

As a business owner though, wouldn't you want to use cheap labour and pay less to export your goods?

Or you could hire local labour, and have people living nearby that can afford to buy your goods.

And they couldn't do that while they were still in the EU?

It looks like you're living in a dream world.

[MissAndry]

It looks like you're living in a dream world.

And my dream world is currently Thailand, 3,500bht a month for a 2 bed house in CM Vs 350,000gbp for my tiny bedsit in London.

The UK, as it was earlier this year, was a hopeless place for most English to live, especially the asset less young.

Great for you to pronounce what's good for the British, while living in another country.

If you don't recognize the hopelessness and despair of the British people, try living there for 6 months.

Edited June 25, 2016 by MissAndry

[elgordo38]

The Americans who live in Thailand. The $ is gaining strength against the baht. The stock market will rebound. As far as the DOW, just people making money off of other peoples fear. Typical.

The Dow should have dropped a lot more last night but all that fear money from the UK and the EU flooded in. They care little about the value of American stocks or the American companies they are buying shares in. Its just buy 1000 shares of Amazon or any other wildly over priced stock. They are looking for the least sickest currency in the world. America is dead broke but sadly the EU and Japan are broker and these domino's must fall first before America's turn comes to sink into the ocean of debt it is surrounded by.

[Ace of Pop]

A Child's Eternal Bleat..it's not fair Dad..[emoji99][emoji86]

[Berty100]

It looks like you're living in a dream world.

And my dream world is currently Thailand, 3,500bht a month for a 2 bed house in CM Vs 350,000gbp for my tiny bedsit in London.

The UK, as it was earlier this year, was a hopeless place for most English to live, especially the asset less young.

Great for you to pronounce what's good for the British, while living in another country.

If you don't recognize the hopelessness and despair of the British people, try living there for 6 months.

And with Brexit

[salavan]

Moody's cut UK's credit outlook to 'negative'

[elgordo38]

Yes US stock futures were down. I was surprised that it was not double of what Faux News was showing. The market has been going up on hot air and hot money flowing in and of course that greedy "borrow up to 50% from us" margin money from your friendly (till something goes wrong) broker. The "real" stock market has long disappeared and replaced by the Dow Casino. Place your bets the wheel is spinning. You just better hope that people do not sense a "Black Swan" event in all of this and start selling enmass. Then the margin calls (from your now not so friendly broker) will start coming and the 90% of investors playing with the house's money will have to pony up some of their actual cash as their source of borrowing has called in their marker. World stock market are teetering houses of cards that are waiting for a North wind to come along. Don't be caught like the 3 little pigs with the big bad wolf outside the door of their straw house. PS from the sounds of your article your British and you did not transfer any funds over for a rainy day thinking that the bureaucrats would carry the day.

You sound like you actually know what you are talking about....? I'm sure you are "on call" to many different governments around the world as the voice of reason and sound judgement on just how things should be run? Kind of like the folks who ask for medical advice from TV members? ? Most likely your day job is sitting on a bar stool.....that is where I see all the experts and know it alls in Bangkok and Pattaya and why I stay well clear of all the expat joints......?

Your assessment of me is way out of wack just like your statements. I have not visited a "bar" in 5 years drink 3 cans of beer a week and live in Chiang Mai so dear boy emphasis on the boy your wrong on all counts. No I am not on call to world governments just a person with a reasonable brain making a reasonable assessment as I am doing at present when dealing with your wild accusations. Its time you trade in your crystal ball it has to many cracks in it and as such you go off half cocked making flawed and wild statements about me. You should stop getting angry and striking out when dealing with things you know nothing about. The only thing we have in common is that we stay away from expat "joints" I am a bit of an introvert and extrovert sadly you are neither.

[oldgit]

Firstly this should never have gone to a referendum. To allow ill-informed individuals to vote on such a complicated matter was always going to be a mistake. With very little economic reasons to leave it was always going to come down to emotion and the scare mongering of the Leave campaign meant that Bridget and Geoff in Sunderland thought the UK was going to be overrun by immigrants and voted accordingly. Cameron has royally <deleted!> this up and has rightly resigned. His fear of Nigel Farage and the racists in his own party forced the UK into this and now the whole of the UK is paying the price for his conceit. Also expect the Scottish nationalist to insist on another referendum as Scotland voted overwhelmingly to stay and will now insist on independence. And I hope this time they get it.

It’s done now and as usual life will go on but why this even got to this stage will be questioned for generations to come and the consequences felt throughout the whole of the UK for many, many years.

Hey lad, are you saying that oos Mackems are a bit thick, like?

[elgordo38]

Moody's cut UK's credit outlook to 'negative'

Don't put any faith in Moody's, Fitch's and any of those so called rating agencies. That said most countries in the world today should receive an F- for Failure. These same credit agencies gave all those bundled up junk mortgages a triple A rating back in 2008 knowing full well they stunk to high heaven. They all walked away with no scars or penalties no one went to jail. It was a game of financial musical chairs and unfortunately when the music stopped Lehman Bros, could not find a chair to sit on and the government tossed them mistakenly to the wolves. When the next financial institution came up insolvent the lights and bells started ringing in Paulsen's head and he and the others pulling the levers of power realized this was more than a one off situation and bailed out Morgan Stanley I think and then sold them off for pennies on the dollar. We are constantly being lied to, manipulated, led down the garden path by people we trust governments being first and foremost.

[elgordo38]

Firstly this should never have gone to a referendum. To allow ill-informed individuals to vote on such a complicated matter was always going to be a mistake. With very little economic reasons to leave it was always going to come down to emotion and the scare mongering of the Leave campaign meant that Bridget and Geoff in Sunderland thought the UK was going to be overrun by immigrants and voted accordingly. Cameron has royally <deleted!> this up and has rightly resigned. His fear of Nigel Farage and the racists in his own party forced the UK into this and now the whole of the UK is paying the price for his conceit. Also expect the Scottish nationalist to insist on another referendum as Scotland voted overwhelmingly to stay and will now insist on independence. And I hope this time they get it.

It’s done now and as usual life will go on but why this even got to this stage will be questioned for generations to come and the consequences felt throughout the whole of the UK for many, many years.

Hey lad, are you saying that oos Mackems are a bit thick, like?

Hey JB he is on the same page as our present PM here. He would like voters here to take a litmus test before voting. Only the educated should vote you know the movers and shakers. They are here to serve the best interests of we the common folk. ha ha ha ha ha

[manfredtillmann]

I seem to recall from my history lessons that many people though England as it was then was entirely out of step with the rest of Europe and a lot of other countries in the world when the English told the Germans in 1939, ''Enough is enough.''

All this Brexit issue is a rerun of that last little action now due in a large part to a little too much German influence being involved in matters.

Note the comments about an extended German influenced European military force as one instance .

The English didn't tell the German's enough is enough, it was the British, with the backing of an Empire.

Britain no longer has an empire and it is very likely will not have a Union for much longer.

But your points about German power are not unfounded, all the more reason not to give up our direct influence on the EU - ah but too late now.

why always bring the 'krauts' into this? german power? guys, you - and your friends and enemies - defeated them fair and square in '45. you divided their country, plundered their factories, took their inventions and scientists abroad...

and because they did a much, much better job recovering than you lot you are now complaining again?

your queen's husband, herr battenberg, is german. talk to him about it.

the german government shouldered almost the entire greek bail out, and the spanish and the italian one.

see where this gets you, little britain', my believe is you will become divided and irrelevant.

the damage you have done to your own nation by ignoring the will of your young and productive generation is irreparable.

Edited June 25, 2016 by manfredtillmann

[ankitpatelit2006]

Overall it is a power game

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[MissAndry]

Firstly this should never have gone to a referendum. To allow ill-informed individuals to vote on such a complicated matter was always going to be a mistake. With very little economic reasons to leave it was always going to come down to emotion and the scare mongering of the Leave campaign meant that Bridget and Geoff in Sunderland thought the UK was going to be overrun by immigrants and voted accordingly

I wanted the UK to leave because I was fed up with London being full of Turks, Hungarians, Polish, Syrians, all working for peanuts and driving up housing and local government prices.

Britain should be full of people with British passports who speak English as their native tongue, at work and at home.

Foreigners are welcome for a two week holiday, but don't outstay that welcome.

If there are to be any immigrants, let those be the spouse and family of people with British passports.

Let a Polish family with no blood ties to the UK in, but exclude the Thai wife of a British man with a British child ....... total madness.

Free NHS healthcare for a Portuguese family working cheaply in the UK, but no free healthcare for a UK Expat who paid in all his life then made the mistake of living overseas for a year or two after he/she retired ....... insanity of the highest order.

Edited June 25, 2016 by MissAndry

[oldgit]

Firstly this should never have gone to a referendum. To allow ill-informed individuals to vote on such a complicated matter was always going to be a mistake. With very little economic reasons to leave it was always going to come down to emotion and the scare mongering of the Leave campaign meant that Bridget and Geoff in Sunderland thought the UK was going to be overrun by immigrants and voted accordingly. Cameron has royally f******* this up and has rightly resigned. His fear of Nigel Farage and the racists in his own party forced the UK into this and now the whole of the UK is paying the price for his conceit. Also expect the Scottish nationalist to insist on another referendum as Scotland voted overwhelmingly to stay and will now insist on independence. And I hope this time they get it.

It’s done now and as usual life will go on but why this even got to this stage will be questioned for generations to come and the consequences felt throughout the whole of the UK for many, many years.

Hey lad, are you saying that oos Mackems are a bit thick, like?

Hey JB he is on the same page as our present PM here. He would like voters here to take a litmus test before voting. Only the educated should vote you know the movers and shakers. They are here to serve the best interests of we the common folk. ha ha ha ha ha

Of course, Quentin and Felicity in Virginia Water would be exempt from the test.

[manfredtillmann]

Firstly this should never have gone to a referendum. To allow ill-informed individuals to vote on such a complicated matter was always going to be a mistake. With very little economic reasons to leave it was always going to come down to emotion and the scare mongering of the Leave campaign meant that Bridget and Geoff in Sunderland thought the UK was going to be overrun by immigrants and voted accordingly. Cameron has royally <deleted!> this up and has rightly resigned. His fear of Nigel Farage and the racists in his own party forced the UK into this and now the whole of the UK is paying the price for his conceit. Also expect the Scottish nationalist to insist on another referendum as Scotland voted overwhelmingly to stay and will now insist on independence. And I hope this time they get it.

It’s done now and as usual life will go on but why this even got to this stage will be questioned for generations to come and the consequences felt throughout the whole of the UK for many, many years.

Hey lad, are you saying that oos Mackems are a bit thick, like?

Hey JB he is on the same page as our present PM here. He would like voters here to take a litmus test before voting. Only the educated should vote you know the movers and shakers. They are here to serve the best interests of we the common folk. ha ha ha ha ha

Of course, Quentin and Felicity in Virginia Water would be exempt from the test.

the biggest problem with our so called democracy is that all the dumb ones are allowed to play as well.

just look at what's happening in the us right now: bogan - nation and thunderdome in the making.

can't wait to watch this fall apart.

perhaps a self - preserving mechanism of our planet's nature to rid herself of vermin and parasites?

[vogie]

Firstly this should never have gone to a referendum. To allow ill-informed individuals to vote on such a complicated matter was always going to be a mistake. With very little economic reasons to leave it was always going to come down to emotion and the scare mongering of the Leave campaign meant that Bridget and Geoff in Sunderland thought the UK was going to be overrun by immigrants and voted accordingly. Cameron has royally <deleted!> this up and has rightly resigned. His fear of Nigel Farage and the racists in his own party forced the UK into this and now the whole of the UK is paying the price for his conceit. Also expect the Scottish nationalist to insist on another referendum as Scotland voted overwhelmingly to stay and will now insist on independence. And I hope this time they get it.

Its done now and as usual life will go on but why this even got to this stage will be questioned for generations to come and the consequences felt throughout the whole of the UK for many, many years.

Hey lad, are you saying that oos Mackems are a bit thick, like?

Hey JB he is on the same page as our present PM here. He would like voters here to take a litmus test before voting. Only the educated should vote you know the movers and shakers. They are here to serve the best interests of we the common folk. ha ha ha ha ha

Of course, Quentin and Felicity in Virginia Water would be exempt from the test.

the biggest problem with our so called democracy is that all the dumb ones are allowed to play as well.
just look at what's happening in the us right now: bogan - nation and thunderdome in the making.
can't wait to watch this fall apart.

perhaps a self - preserving mechanism of our planet's nature to rid herself of vermin and parasites?

Bit like the 'final solution' eh?

[Catoni]

The U.K. Economy has been sent down the toilet by xenophobic racists. Shamefull

In the short run... it will hurt for a bit. Growing pains... as one becomes more independent of their unelected nannies who used to run their lives from Brussels.

In the long run.... it will be be much better for Britain.... .

Congratulations to the British people... for making the right decision...

[manfredtillmann]

Firstly this should never have gone to a referendum. To allow ill-informed individuals to vote on such a complicated matter was always going to be a mistake. With very little economic reasons to leave it was always going to come down to emotion and the scare mongering of the Leave campaign meant that Bridget and Geoff in Sunderland thought the UK was going to be overrun by immigrants and voted accordingly. Cameron has royally f******* this up and has rightly resigned. His fear of Nigel Farage and the racists in his own party forced the UK into this and now the whole of the UK is paying the price for his conceit. Also expect the Scottish nationalist to insist on another referendum as Scotland voted overwhelmingly to stay and will now insist on independence. And I hope this time they get it.

Its done now and as usual life will go on but why this even got to this stage will be questioned for generations to come and the consequences felt throughout the whole of the UK for many, many years.

Hey lad, are you saying that oos Mackems are a bit thick, like?

Hey JB he is on the same page as our present PM here. He would like voters here to take a litmus test before voting. Only the educated should vote you know the movers and shakers. They are here to serve the best interests of we the common folk. ha ha ha ha ha

Of course, Quentin and Felicity in Virginia Water would be exempt from the test.

the biggest problem with our so called democracy is that all the dumb ones are allowed to play as well.

just look at what's happening in the us right now: bogan - nation and thunderdome in the making.

can't wait to watch this fall apart.

perhaps a self - preserving mechanism of our planet's nature to rid herself of vermin and parasites?

Bit like the 'final solution' eh?

yes, a bit like that, just broader...

time to wake up.

[GuestHouse]

TVF members have give a range of predictions on the outcome for the UK and the rest of the EU after Brexit, these are now recorded and available for us to revisit in a couple of years time.

I suspect they'll make more interesting reading then than they do now.