Now that Britain has voted to leave the EU, what comes next?

[mommysboy]

Britain's government is already abandoning the one thing Brexiteers and Tory voters wanted done

Key politicians Amber Rudd and Boris Johnson signalled that Britain's government is going to abandon the one thing a majority of Brexit voters wanted — a reduction in net migration.

Rudd, who is now home secretary and voted to Remain in the European Union, and Johnson,who is now foreign secretary and was one of the leaders for the Vote Leave campaign, are perhaps the most instrumental politicians in deciding how to tackle migration, bar prime minister Theresa May.

However, despite reducing and controlling immigration being the key issue for people voting for to leave the EU and subsequently Brexit winning the vote with 51.9%, those two cabinet ministers say that the target to reduce net migration to below 100,000 has been abandoned by May's new government.

http://www.businessinsider.com/amber-rudd-and-boris-johnson-scrap-uk-migration-target-post-brexit-2016-7

Ok, but wouldn't we have more control after Brexit?

[lungmi]

The UK is/was one of the best places in the World for the research into HIV.

All the money to support the project comes/came from an EU fund.

The senile brexiteers will say: HIV, what is this, I never heard about.

[NCFC]

The UK is/was one of the best places in the World for the research into HIV.

All the money to support the project comes/came from an EU fund.

The senile brexiteers will say: HIV, what is this, I never heard about.

And who do you think contributed to that EU fund. It is just theUK getting its own money back. Unlike most EU countries the UK has been a net contributor to the EU budget.

[mommysboy]

Business as usual.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jul/20/bank-of-england-agents-report-business-as-usual-after-brexit-eu-referendum

[Nasrullah]

Clark and Dawe........on the european debt crisis.........Clark's probably australia's best comedian even though he's a New zealander!

[Nasrullah]

Thank god it couldn't happen here.....

Edited July 20, 2016 by Nasrullah

[Khun Han]

Britain's government is already abandoning the one thing Brexiteers and Tory voters wanted done

Key politicians Amber Rudd and Boris Johnson signalled that Britain's government is going to abandon the one thing a majority of Brexit voters wanted — a reduction in net migration.

Rudd, who is now home secretary and voted to Remain in the European Union, and Johnson,who is now foreign secretary and was one of the leaders for the Vote Leave campaign, are perhaps the most instrumental politicians in deciding how to tackle migration, bar prime minister Theresa May.

However, despite reducing and controlling immigration being the key issue for people voting for to leave the EU and subsequently Brexit winning the vote with 51.9%, those two cabinet ministers say that the target to reduce net migration to below 100,000 has been abandoned by May's new government.

http://www.businessinsider.com/amber-rudd-and-boris-johnson-scrap-uk-migration-target-post-brexit-2016-7

Mrs May told MPs: "I am very clear that the vote that was taken in this country on the 23 June sent a very clear message about immigration that people want control of free movement from the EU and that's precisely what we will be doing and ensuring that we get in the negotiations that we will be undertaking.

"I also remain absolutely firm in my belief that we need to bring net migration down to sustainable levels. The Government believes that that is the tens of thousands.

"It will take some time to get there but of course now we have the additional aspect of those controls we can bring to those people moving from the European Union."

http://news.sky.com/story/may-savages-corbyn-in-first-pmqs-outing-10507146

[JB300]

Considering they already have full control over the majority of immigrants (I.e. Non-EU citizens) what makes you think they'll do a better job at limiting immigration when they have control over the remainder?

http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/statistics-net-migration-statistics

Edited July 20, 2016 by JB300

[ilostmypassword]

The UK is/was one of the best places in the World for the research into HIV.

All the money to support the project comes/came from an EU fund.

The senile brexiteers will say: HIV, what is this, I never heard about.

And who do you think contributed to that EU fund. It is just theUK getting its own money back. Unlike most EU countries the UK has been a net contributor to the EU budget.

How likely is it that the Tories will vote to continue the funding for this research? They've got Tridents to build.

[Grouse]

For those who think a degree makes you intelligent it doesn't,

And the lack of a degree doesn't make you unintelligent.

Such wise words!

You're a really clever guy, Thaiwine!

[NCFC]

The UK is/was one of the best places in the World for the research into HIV.

All the money to support the project comes/came from an EU fund.

The senile brexiteers will say: HIV, what is this, I never heard about.

And who do you think contributed to that EU fund. It is just theUK getting its own money back. Unlike most EU countries the UK has been a net contributor to the EU budget.

How likely is it that the Tories will vote to continue the funding for this research? They've got Tridents to build.

Now that we'll no longer build roads for Roumanians and hen houses for Hungarians, or whatever the British taxes went on, I suspect there'll be a few bob extra for research and stuff.

[ilostmypassword]

The UK is/was one of the best places in the World for the research into HIV.

All the money to support the project comes/came from an EU fund.

The senile brexiteers will say: HIV, what is this, I never heard about.

And who do you think contributed to that EU fund. It is just theUK getting its own money back. Unlike most EU countries the UK has been a net contributor to the EU budget.

How likely is it that the Tories will vote to continue the funding for this research? They've got Tridents to build.

Now that we'll no longer build roads for Roumanians and hen houses for Hungarians, or whatever the British taxes went on, I suspect there'll be a few bob extra for research and stuff.

Given the Tories' record, I'd say it's more likely to be tax cuts for the wealthy and corporate interests.

[nontabury]

For those who think a degree makes you intelligent it doesn't,

And the lack of a degree doesn't make you unintelligent.

Such wise words!

You're a really clever guy, Thaiwine!

During the referendum debate, you continuously mentioned that you considered there was a link regarding how people voted and their level of formal education.stating those with university education,were far more likely to vote remain. You also mentioned how you were against Muslim immigration. Well last week I read a report out of Australia,regarding Muslim immigration, that stated,that those with a higher level of education where likely to support Muslim immigration while those opposed came from the uneducated. So are you so called higher educated, or are you not?

[Khun Han]

Hammond Seeks Brexit Business Boost In China

http://news.sky.com/story/hammond-seeks-brexit-business-boost-in-china-10508488

[GuestHouse]

Hammond Seeks Brexit Business Boost In China

http://news.sky.com/story/hammond-seeks-brexit-business-boost-in-china-10508488

As any Isaan farmer will tell you - Don't ever expect a good deal fom the Chinese if you ate desperate to make the deal.

[Khun Han]

Hammond Seeks Brexit Business Boost In China

http://news.sky.com/story/hammond-seeks-brexit-business-boost-in-china-10508488

As any Isaan farmer will tell you - Don't ever expect a good deal fom the Chinese if you ate desperate to make the deal.

Philip Hammond and the UK's international trade negotiators are not Isaan farmers.

[GuestHouse]

Hammond Seeks Brexit Business Boost In China

http://news.sky.com/story/hammond-seeks-brexit-business-boost-in-china-10508488

As any Isaan farmer will tell you - Don't ever expect a good deal fom the Chinese if you ate desperate to make the deal.

Philip Hammond and the UK's international trade negotiators are not Isaan farmers.

No but they are desperate for a deal from the Chinese.

[Khun Han]

Hammond Seeks Brexit Business Boost In China

http://news.sky.com/story/hammond-seeks-brexit-business-boost-in-china-10508488

As any Isaan farmer will tell you - Don't ever expect a good deal fom the Chinese if you ate desperate to make the deal.

Philip Hammond and the UK's international trade negotiators are not Isaan farmers.

No but they are desperate for a deal from the Chinese.

The 'trade dance' with China pre-dates Hammond and has been going on for quite some time. There is no desperation about it. President Xi visited the UK a while ago in respect of this (the fluff highlights were him clearly enjoying some Real Ale with Dave, and a trip to the Etihad stadium - apparently, his preference was Old Trafford ). Read the article I linked, it has plenty of background.

[JB300]

Hammond Seeks Brexit Business Boost In China

http://news.sky.com/story/hammond-seeks-brexit-business-boost-in-china-10508488

Article could be read as Hammond is in China for the G20 meeting & pops in for a photo/news-op on the way.

Then again, I am a bit of a cynic

Edited July 23, 2016 by JB300

[SgtRock]

Plans to allow the United Kingdom an exemption from EU rules on freedom of movement for up to seven years while retaining access to the single market are being considered in European capitals as part of a potential deal on Brexit.

Senior British and EU sources have confirmed that despite strong initial resistance from French president François Hollande in talks with prime minister Theresa May last week, the idea of an emergency brake on the free movement of people that would go far further than the one David Cameron negotiated before the Brexit referendum is being examined.

While the plan will prove highly controversial in many member states, including France, Poland and other central and eastern European nations, the attraction is that it would limit the economic shock to the EU economy from Brexit by keeping the UK in the single market, and lessen the political damage to the European project that would result from complete divorce.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/24/brexit-deal-free-movement-exemption-seven-years

What a pity that it took a referendum and a Bexit vote for the EU to come to its senses.

This deal will be struck, of that there is no doubt.

After the 7 year period, the new status quo will continue Ad Infinitum.

[Naam]

Plans to allow the United Kingdom an exemption from EU rules on freedom of movement for up to seven years while retaining access to the single market are being considered in European capitals as part of a potential deal on Brexit.

Senior British and EU sources have confirmed that despite strong initial resistance from French president François Hollande in talks with prime minister Theresa May last week, the idea of an emergency brake on the free movement of people that would go far further than the one David Cameron negotiated before the Brexit referendum is being examined.

While the plan will prove highly controversial in many member states, including France, Poland and other central and eastern European nations, the attraction is that it would limit the economic shock to the EU economy from Brexit by keeping the UK in the single market, and lessen the political damage to the European project that would result from complete divorce.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/24/brexit-deal-free-movement-exemption-seven-years

What a pity that it took a referendum and a Bexit vote for the EU to come to its senses.

This deal will be struck, of that there is no doubt.

After the 7 year period, the new status quo will continue Ad Infinitum.

let's be fair Sarge and rephrase

"what a pity that British politicians did not try to negotiate some sort of free movement exemption before starting a big hoo-haa referendum where both parties presented blatant lies too büllshyte the electorate."

[SgtRock]

Plans to allow the United Kingdom an exemption from EU rules on freedom of movement for up to seven years while retaining access to the single market are being considered in European capitals as part of a potential deal on Brexit.

Senior British and EU sources have confirmed that despite strong initial resistance from French president François Hollande in talks with prime minister Theresa May last week, the idea of an emergency brake on the free movement of people that would go far further than the one David Cameron negotiated before the Brexit referendum is being examined.

While the plan will prove highly controversial in many member states, including France, Poland and other central and eastern European nations, the attraction is that it would limit the economic shock to the EU economy from Brexit by keeping the UK in the single market, and lessen the political damage to the European project that would result from complete divorce.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/24/brexit-deal-free-movement-exemption-seven-years

What a pity that it took a referendum and a Bexit vote for the EU to come to its senses.

This deal will be struck, of that there is no doubt.

After the 7 year period, the new status quo will continue Ad Infinitum.

let's be fair Sarge and rephrase

"what a pity that British politicians did not try to negotiate some sort of free movement exemption before starting a big hoo-haa referendum where both parties presented blatant lies too büllshyte the electorate."

Sorry naam

You missed the goal by a mile. Camoron did try to get a deal struck on migration and was sent scurrying back to London with his tail between his legs.

This was, in my mind anyway, because the EU orangutans, along with Camoron, never believed for a minute that a Brexit vote would prevail.

Sadly, it would seem that in this day and age, people still need a swift boot in the swingers to make them see sense.

[Thaiwine]

Plans to allow the United Kingdom an exemption from EU rules on freedom of movement for up to seven years while retaining access to the single market are being considered in European capitals as part of a potential deal on Brexit.

Senior British and EU sources have confirmed that despite strong initial resistance from French president François Hollande in talks with prime minister Theresa May last week, the idea of an emergency brake on the free movement of people that would go far further than the one David Cameron negotiated before the Brexit referendum is being examined.

While the plan will prove highly controversial in many member states, including France, Poland and other central and eastern European nations, the attraction is that it would limit the economic shock to the EU economy from Brexit by keeping the UK in the single market, and lessen the political damage to the European project that would result from complete divorce.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/24/brexit-deal-free-movement-exemption-seven-years

What a pity that it took a referendum and a Bexit vote for the EU to come to its senses.

This deal will be struck, of that there is no doubt.

After the 7 year period, the new status quo will continue Ad Infinitum.

It sounds like a bit of a fudge to me, status quo would remain free movement, unless under "particular pressure"

Quote from article

“If the rights of EU citizens now living the UK can be guaranteed permanently by the UK government, then I think we can look at some form of emergency brake on free movement of labour,” he said. “This could be invoked when the British labour market is under particular pressure. I would try to limit it to the UK at this stage.

[Richard W]

It sounds like the Liechtenstein model. The difference is that, for Liechtenstein, the emergency measures are effectively permanent.

[Thaiwine]

It sounds like the Liechtenstein model. The difference is that, for Liechtenstein, the emergency measures are effectively permanent.

I can see where an option in effect could become permanent,

What seems to be unsaid is that "we have won an opt out on free movement so there's no need to invoke artical 50 or change anything else brexit means we have won on freedom of movement" which would probabaly be enough to defuse a Ukip rebellion at the next election.

[happy Joe]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/24/brexit-deal-free-movement-exemption-seven-years

What a pity that it took a referendum and a Bexit vote for the EU to come to its senses.

This deal will be struck, of that there is no doubt.

After the 7 year period, the new status quo will continue Ad Infinitum.

Another speculative article which cites no source.

"Senior British and US sources-have confirmed That blah blah blah ..."

With this type press we understand better how the British were able to be so easily fooled by unscrupulous politicians.

We know that Brexiters think they can get the butter and money for ( the dairy woman gift ). All EU benefits without constraint. Sweet dream, but il will not.

If Europe were to accept, it immediately sign his loss. So you must wake up and stop you from believing these mirages.

[SgtRock]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/24/brexit-deal-free-movement-exemption-seven-years

What a pity that it took a referendum and a Bexit vote for the EU to come to its senses.

This deal will be struck, of that there is no doubt.

After the 7 year period, the new status quo will continue Ad Infinitum.

Another speculative article which cites no source.

"Senior British and US sources-have confirmed That blah blah blah ..."

With this type press we understand better how the British were able to be so easily fooled by unscrupulous politicians.

We know that Brexiters think they can get the butter and money for ( the dairy woman gift ). All EU benefits without constraint. Sweet dream, but il will not.

If Europe were to accept, it immediately sign his loss. So you must wake up and stop you from believing these mirages.

NotSoHappyJoe.

I could not really care less what deal the UK comes to with the EU. I am still of the opinion that long term, the UK will be far better off out of the UK.

That speculative article is written in probably the foremost Pro EU medium in the UK. So if it is published by them, I believe that there will be a certain amount of truth to it.

Officially, there are no brexit talks taking place until Article 50 is invoked, so it stands to reason that everything at this stage will come from unnamed sources.

Anyone who believes that ongoing negotiations are not currently underway obviously still believes in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny.

[mommysboy]

Plans to allow the United Kingdom an exemption from EU rules on freedom of movement for up to seven years while retaining access to the single market are being considered in European capitals as part of a potential deal on Brexit.

Senior British and EU sources have confirmed that despite strong initial resistance from French president François Hollande in talks with prime minister Theresa May last week, the idea of an emergency brake on the free movement of people that would go far further than the one David Cameron negotiated before the Brexit referendum is being examined.

While the plan will prove highly controversial in many member states, including France, Poland and other central and eastern European nations, the attraction is that it would limit the economic shock to the EU economy from Brexit by keeping the UK in the single market, and lessen the political damage to the European project that would result from complete divorce.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/24/brexit-deal-free-movement-exemption-seven-years

What a pity that it took a referendum and a Bexit vote for the EU to come to its senses.

This deal will be struck, of that there is no doubt.

After the 7 year period, the new status quo will continue Ad Infinitum.

let's be fair Sarge and rephrase

"what a pity that British politicians did not try to negotiate some sort of free movement exemption before starting a big hoo-haa referendum where both parties presented blatant lies too büllshyte the electorate."

They did Naam!

UK has been remarkably prescient about predicting EU failings.

Pity we're not so good at self-analysis though!

Dog of a referendum. Personally, I don't think it was about Europe anyway.

[Grouse]

For those who think a degree makes you intelligent it doesn't,

And the lack of a degree doesn't make you unintelligent.

Such wise words!

You're a really clever guy, Thaiwine!

And very true....

Both of you-

Nobody said a degree was a measure of intelligence. It is, or used to be, an indicator of the level of education achieved in a particular field. It is also considered an indicator of a level of general education.

As far as intelligence is concerned, our cat is more intelligent than some on here. But, I consider his education level is poor. His knowledge of 20th century European history is particularly poor.

[Grouse]

For those who think a degree makes you intelligent it doesn't,

And the lack of a degree doesn't make you unintelligent.

Such wise words!

You're a really clever guy, Thaiwine!

During the referendum debate, you continuously mentioned that you considered there was a link regarding how people voted and their level of formal education.stating those with university education,were far more likely to vote remain. You also mentioned how you were against Muslim immigration. Well last week I read a report out of Australia,regarding Muslim immigration, that stated,that those with a higher level of education where likely to support Muslim immigration while those opposed came from the uneducated. So are you so called higher educated, or are you not?

Ha! The statistically challenged strike again!

I hold an honours degree in Applied Physics and Chemistry from one of the UK's top universities. I worked in semi-conductors most of my life. So, I think that fact alone confirms a certain level of education but I could go on if you require?

Post Brexit analysis seems to indicate that my opinions were indeed correct. Tertiary educated, younger, demographic groups A and B tended to vote remain. Poorly educated, older, demographic groups C and D tended to vote Brexit. That's not good.

Then we come to your main point. With respect to Muslims, I may well be a statistical "outlier". I was pro Muslim during the Bosnian war, but since then, I have changed my view as I have found out more. THEY are responsible for my views. I listed my points a while ago and will not repeat it now as it's a long list.

Finally, Australia is far from being my moral compass ?