webfact Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Want a degree? Just go online, five minutes and you're qualified!Image: Daily NewsBANGKOK: -- Universities have moved swiftly after a brazen page appeared online offering fake degrees.The page was titled in Thai " Fake educational qualifications - genuine documents - cheap prices!"One poster reported: "Done! Education degree and teacher's license. Easy!"The page advertises a variety of charges ranging from just 5,000 baht for a lower high school certificate to 15,000 for a bachelor's degree, reported Daily NewsBut an online lawyer warned that penalties for issuing and using fake documents of this sort carry severe penalties. In general Article 264 allows for a prison term of up to three years and a fine of 6,000 baht or both for making fake documents.But if the documents are used in the government sector they fall under article 265 where the penalty is 6 months - 5 years jail or a 1-10,000 baht fine or both. Those using the degrees can face the same penalties though just having one made does not actually constitute a crime.Many people, said lawyer Narong Kaewpetch, use such services to change low grades on genuine documents so that they qualify for higher levelcourses. They may have a real bachelors degree but need better grades to enter masters degree courses, for example. But this still constitutes a crime punishable under the same statutes.Dr Darika Latthaphipat of the Thurakitbandit University posted online that the matter had already been reported to the appropriate authorities for action. She assured the university's 100,000 students of their commitment to ensuring that qualifications are above board and genuine. Source: Daily News -- 2016-07-08 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLang Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Bruce? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 (edited) So it costs 15,000 to buy a fake bachelors degree, but the fine for producing them is, at most, 10,000? Hmm...how often do people get gaoled in cases like this? Edited July 8, 2016 by Bluespunk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 " Those using the degrees can face the same penalties though just having one made does not actually constitute a crime." Having a fake degree isn't a crime if you don't use it? Brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjjmmi Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Done, now you can call me Dr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 But do they come with matching Ed Visas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Done, now you can call me Dr. Do they have one proclaiming the owner Lord and Master of the known universe? I promise not to use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balo Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 No need for degrees if you want to work as a teacher here, just apply and show them your white skin, the job is yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 " Those using the degrees can face the same penalties though just having one made does not actually constitute a crime." Having a fake degree isn't a crime if you don't use it? Brilliant. If you use it, such as getting a job, you are committing fraud. Having one hanging on your wall at home is just ego and no financial damages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjnaus Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 I'd say that's better value for money then an actual, legit degree.... since they're both equally worthless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halloween Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 " Those using the degrees can face the same penalties though just having one made does not actually constitute a crime." Having a fake degree isn't a crime if you don't use it? Brilliant. I have a copy of Nighthawks on my wall. Should that be a crime? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55Jay Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 I wonder how many existing English teachers in Thailand, have one of these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 (edited) " Those using the degrees can face the same penalties though just having one made does not actually constitute a crime." Having a fake degree isn't a crime if you don't use it? Brilliant. I have a copy of Nighthawks on my wall. Should that be a crime? Yes, if you are referring to the movie staring Sly. No if you are referring to the the Hopper painting (excellent choice by the way) However my point is who buys a relatively expensive degree if they don't intend to use it? Edited July 8, 2016 by Bluespunk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halloween Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 I wonder how many existing English teachers in Thailand, have one of these. If you applied with a degree from a Thai uni, your lack of language skills might be a giveaway. OTOH, there was a former PM..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farma Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Some interesting reading for those thinking of using them. fake degrees http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/263129-fake-degrees/ mr hippos day in court http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/272232-mr-hippos-day-in-court/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55Jay Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 I wonder how many existing English teachers in Thailand, have one of these. If you applied with a degree from a Thai uni, your lack of language skills might be a giveaway. OTOH, there was a former PM..... Indeed. OP caused me to consider the possibility of obtaining a counterfeit degree, indicating graduation from a Uni abroad, to qualify for an English teaching position here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkidlad Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Yes, you can have a fake degree legally. They are sold as 'novelty'. It's when you try to pass it off as real is when it becomes illegal. My degree is from the UK. If someone wants to check the validity of my degree they need written/signed permission from me. (Please don't say they don't because they do). Once they have my authorization - they need to pay 54 pounds sterling (let's say 2,400 Baht). They then wait a bit and get an email confirming my attendance. Schools and universities here don't check this way. Neither do the department of labour or education. They have no idea how to do it, and they wouldn't pay/too lazy to do it anyway. You'd be surprised just how many teachers are working on fake degrees here, and how many real degree holders are jumping through hoops to prove their degrees validity. But, with the state of the education system here and the low salaries for foreign teachers, what do you expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prbkk Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Some will recall the opportunity for a photo with Bill Clinton at DMK: maybe 15 or 20 years ago. A LifeSize cardboard cutout. They did a booming trade with both Thai and farang. It was quite cheap and good quality. I have my pic with Bill and I should imagine thousands of others as well. Someone complained and they got shut down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halloween Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 " Those using the degrees can face the same penalties though just having one made does not actually constitute a crime." Having a fake degree isn't a crime if you don't use it? Brilliant. I have a copy of Nighthawks on my wall. Should that be a crime? Yes, if you are referring to the movie staring Sly.No if you are referring to the the Hopper painting (excellent choice by the way) However my point is who buys a relatively expensive degree if they don't intend to use it? Oh dear. Everybody is an art critic. If somebody wants to buy a degree to hang on their wall, it is hardly a crime. .Remember, I don't know if it's art, but I like it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Gravy Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Done, now you can call me Dr. You can laugh but I know a few people who did this and insisted that people called them doctor. What made me rollover in fits of laughter when I pointed out that the university of Dublin was not in California. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chudless Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Falang 'teachers' rejoice!!!! But on their sad salaries, they can't afford it 5555555555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieinthailand Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 " Those using the degrees can face the same penalties though just having one made does not actually constitute a crime." Having a fake degree isn't a crime if you don't use it? Brilliant. I have a copy of Nighthawks on my wall. Should that be a crime? Yes, if you are referring to the movie staring Sly.No if you are referring to the the Hopper painting (excellent choice by the way) However my point is who buys a relatively expensive degree if they don't intend to use it? Oh dear. Everybody is an art critic. If somebody wants to buy a degree to hang on their wall, it is hardly a crime. .Remember, I don't know if it's art, but I like it! So a you've a fake fine arts degree perhaps? that explains everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
car720 Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Why pay when you can photoshop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chakatee Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 I bought a whole bunch and went of to this local hospital trying to find a job. I told them "I have 39 degrees" and they admitted me for fever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adhd Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 I guess that this is the reason why with your MD or engeneer degree obtained in this country gets you not higher than cleaning toilets or hotel room job in the real world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Done, now you can call me Dr. You can laugh but I know a few people who did this and insisted that people called them doctor. What made me rollover in fits of laughter when I pointed out that the university of Dublin was not in California. There was an Indian guy with a MBA and DBA on LinkedIn discussion group. He claimed they were from the University of Canterbury in the UK. Had to tell him that university is in New Zealand. The one of that name in the UK was only a Post Office Box in Chesterfield registered to a company based in the Seychelles. Whoops! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 " Those using the degrees can face the same penalties though just having one made does not actually constitute a crime." Having a fake degree isn't a crime if you don't use it? Brilliant. I have a copy of Nighthawks on my wall. Should that be a crime? Yes, if you are referring to the movie staring Sly.No if you are referring to the the Hopper painting (excellent choice by the way) However my point is who buys a relatively expensive degree if they don't intend to use it? Oh dear. Everybody is an art critic. If somebody wants to buy a degree to hang on their wall, it is hardly a crime. .Remember, I don't know if it's art, but I like it! Nobody pays 15,000 for a degree here to just hang on the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halloween Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 (edited) Oh dear. Everybody is an art critic. If somebody wants to buy a degree to hang on their wall, it is hardly a crime. .Remember, I don't know if it's art, but I like it! Nobody pays 15,000 for a degree here to just hang on the wall. People pay millions of dollars for crap to hang on their walls. Thai people pay much more than B15000 for crap to hang around their neck in the belief it will bring luck, protect them or some other BS. Edited July 8, 2016 by halloween Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Oh dear. Everybody is an art critic. If somebody wants to buy a degree to hang on their wall, it is hardly a crime. .Remember, I don't know if it's art, but I like it! Nobody pays 15,000 for a degree here to just hang on the wall. People pay millions o dollars for crap to hang on their walls. True. But that isn't what's going on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maewang99 Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 (edited) In the mean time, there's a report by the ILO with some rather scathing comments made about the Thai work force. And that of the AEC in general, excepting Singapore. No mention of degrees, real or fake or if they were taught by ajarn with Thai teachers licenses that were real or fake. The not so funny part is that the precious textile business, and auto parts... which employ many millions of Thai.... are being turned up side down... they won't much longer be about cheap labor, or even mass production.... and lack of real skills, and illiteracy, only pushes it faster in the wrong direction for Thailand. And in this new world a cheaper Baht will not only not help, it will hurt really bad. Edited July 8, 2016 by maewang99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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