Sheriff: 2 bailiffs, suspect dead in Michigan courthouse

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Sheriff: 2 bailiffs, suspect dead in Michigan courthouse

ST. JOSEPH, Mich. (AP) — Two bailiffs were shot and killed Monday inside a southwestern Michigan courthouse before officers killed the gunman, a sheriff said.

The incident occurred on the third floor of the Berrien County Courthouse in St. Joseph, 100 miles northeast of Chicago.

Sheriff Paul Bailey didn't provide additional details on how the shooting happened. He said he did not know anything about the shooter, why he was in the courthouse or how he got a gun. A sheriff's deputy who was shot was in stable condition at a hospital, and a fifth person was injured, although how that person was hurt wasn't immediately clear.

"I stand here with a heavy heart. A person has shot two bailiffs. They're both deceased," Bailey told reporters.

Other people in the area of the shooting sought shelter before "brave officers were able to come to their rescue and take the shooter down," the sheriff said. He didn't elaborate.

Bailey said he felt "terrible" about the deaths.

Berrien County, which borders Indiana, is in the far southwestern corner of Michigan.

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White reported from Detroit.


-- (c) Associated Press 2016-07-12

[ChoakMyDee]

Funny how they feel terrible when a cop is killed but they have no comment when a cop murders a citizen.

[daoyai]

Funny how they feel terrible when a cop is killed but they have no comment when a cop murders a citizen.

Are you trolling or just foolish? first off who are "they" and what does this story have to do with the incidents i think you are alluding to? Or is this another retribution murder by an angry American of African ancestry?

[ezzra]

I could never understood the needs to wear guns in courthouse and in contacts with felons, so many times

we have witnessed the attempt by 'I have nothing to lose; desperate criminal trying to snatch a gun either

to kill others or soot them selves,

Beside, A smart gun, or personalized gun, has been available for quite some time now, a firearm that includes a safety feature or features that allow it to fire only when activated by an authorized user. These safety features can prevent misuse, accidental shootings, gun thefts, use of the weapon against the owner, and self-harm. Smart guns distinguish between authorized users and unauthorized users in several different ways, including the use of RFID chips or other proximity tokens, fingerprint recognition, magnetic rings, or mechanical locks. Related to smart guns are other smart firearms safety devices such as biometric or RFID activated accessories and safes.......

[halloween]

Funny how they feel terrible when a cop is killed but they have no comment when a cop murders a citizen.

Bailiffs are court officers whose jurisdiction is solely within the court precinct. I very much doubt if any have committed murder.

[seadog57]

the police are there to Protect and serve NOT protect and Die

[phantomfiddler]

Sounds like the outcome of a divorce settlement !

[neverdie]

Funny how they feel terrible when a cop is killed but they have no comment when a cop murders a citizen.

Funny how some people are so out of touch with reality.

There's hundreds of thousands of police around the USA doing a wonderful job protecting and serving their community and occasional a cop makes a mistake or occasionally there's a bad one in the ranks, yet some folk want to lump them all together.

Imagine if we applied the same principle to all occupations. Had 1 bad experience with a shop keep? Yeah, all dem damn shopkeepers.

[Boon Mee]

Sounds like quite a few boys weren't doing their due diligence re gun control in the Court Room.

Edited July 12, 2016 by Boon Mee

[neverdie]

Sounds like quite a few boys weren't doing their due diligence re gun control in the Court Room.

Sounds like an assumption.

One of the most important aspects of ANY firearms training for law enforcement folk involves 'weapons retention'. No point being a sharp shooter if your weapon is taken from you. This is why civilians shouldn't carry, most of the ones that train, just fire the thing and wouldn't know the first thing about retention.

Perhaps, just perhaps, this officer was overpowered or knock unconscious? You can't always assume that the officers wernt being diligent.

[Boon Mee]

Two Bailffs knocked unconscious by whom?

Was this guy Rambo?

Poor 'gun retention'

Edited July 12, 2016 by Boon Mee

[neverdie]

Two Bailffs knocked unconscious by whom?

Was this guy Rambo?

Poor 'gun retention'

I'm not stating i know that's what happened, but at this point there's nothing gained by claiming lack of diligence or poor weapons retention.

There's nothing to retain if your already unconscious.

I think you will find most modern police forces around the world do a significant amount of weapons retention training and it would only take one person to be knocked unconscious, it's easy to remove a firearm from a holster.

[Boon Mee]

Obviously there was severe lack of "paying attention' or the two Bailffs wouldn't be dead now.

[neverdie]

Obviously there was severe lack of "paying attention' or the two Bailffs wouldn't be dead now.

Could be BM, one of the ten fatal errors perhaps?

Failure to watch hands?

Sleepy or asleep?

Missing danger signs?

Bad positioning?

Apathy?

A small error in law enforcement tray lead to this sort. Of tragic outcome.

RIP.

[gyrosman]

Funny how they feel terrible when a cop is killed but they have no comment when a cop murders a citizen.

I would love to take you on a road trip through some parts of L.A., N.Y, Chicago, Little Jamaica when the sun goes down, bring your vest and tank.

[neverdie]

Funny how they feel terrible when a cop is killed but they have no comment when a cop murders a citizen.

I would love to take you on a road trip through some parts of L.A., N.Y, Chicago, Little Jamaica when the sun goes down, bring your vest and tank.

Please leave him there. Wonder how long before he calls 911?

55555

[OMGImInPattaya]

I could never understood the needs to wear guns in courthouse and in contacts with felons, so many times

we have witnessed the attempt by 'I have nothing to lose; desperate criminal trying to snatch a gun either

to kill others or soot them selves,

Beside, A smart gun, or personalized gun, has been available for quite some time now, a firearm that includes a safety feature or features that allow it to fire only when activated by an authorized user. These safety features can prevent misuse, accidental shootings, gun thefts, use of the weapon against the owner, and self-harm. Smart guns distinguish between authorized users and unauthorized users in several different ways, including the use of RFID chips or other proximity tokens, fingerprint recognition, magnetic rings, or mechanical locks. Related to smart guns are other smart firearms safety devices such as biometric or RFID activated accessories and safes.......

Have you ever used any "smart" device...like a computer, mobile phone, or that Tesla that crashed into the side of a truck...yeah, they've been know to seize up and fail just when they're needed. No LEO or knowlegable gun owner would trust their life and personal safety to any firearm with such "smart" features.

I do agree with your point about officers and bailiffs being armed in secured spaces and buildings. It's not necessary, especially when defendants are routinely brought into these places in handcuffs and leg-irons...they aren't going anywhere.

[sanukjim]

Funny how they feel terrible when a cop is killed but they have no comment when a cop murders a citizen.

Are you trolling or just foolish? first off who are "they" and what does this story have to do with the incidents i think you are alluding to? Or is this another retribution murder by an angry American of African ancestry?

He is just trolling out of his uninformed ignorance of the facts.......TV (ignorance) means lack of knowledge..SJ

[rapom]

This article left out some very important information that contributed to the court officers deaths. The prisoner was facing several felony charges and was being escorted from the holding cell area to the courtroom, without being restrained in handcuffs or shackles, when he assaulted the officers and was able to get one of their weapons and shoot them. He was then shot and killed by another bailiff, while he was trying to exit the building. The shooter was white. Failure to use handcuffs and restraints led to their deaths, which was probably in violation of SOP. These officers were both retired from other law enforcement agencies and should have known better.

[Jdiddy]

I thought bailiffs were unarmed partly to stop things like this from happening

The guy was obviously lucky or was Rambo, or both to be able to disarm a deputy while having two bailiffs on him at the same time

[ChoakMyDee]

Funny how they feel terrible when a cop is killed but they have no comment when a cop murders a citizen.

Are you trolling or just foolish? first off who are "they" and what does this story have to do with the incidents i think you are alluding to? Or is this another retribution murder by an angry American of African ancestry?

All right, let me clear this up for you. "They" are the police. When one of their own gets killed in the line of duty they make statements like "With a heavy heart" or "This is terrible". etc. etc. but when a cop shoots an unarmed suspect in the back and kills him, we get "No comment."

Anything else I can help you with?

[ChoakMyDee]

Funny how they feel terrible when a cop is killed but they have no comment when a cop murders a citizen.

Bailiffs are court officers whose jurisdiction is solely within the court precinct. I very much doubt if any have committed murder.

They were ex-cops. They probably had brutalized a few citizens before.

[ChoakMyDee]

Funny how they feel terrible when a cop is killed but they have no comment when a cop murders a citizen.

Funny how some people are so out of touch with reality.

There's hundreds of thousands of police around the USA doing a wonderful job protecting and serving their community and occasional a cop makes a mistake or occasionally there's a bad one in the ranks, yet some folk want to lump them all together.

Imagine if we applied the same principle to all occupations. Had 1 bad experience with a shop keep? Yeah, all dem damn shopkeepers.

Unfortunately, the so called "good" cops are covering up for the "bad" ones. That makes them all bad in my opinion.

[neverdie]

Funny how they feel terrible when a cop is killed but they have no comment when a cop murders a citizen.

Funny how some people are so out of touch with reality.

There's hundreds of thousands of police around the USA doing a wonderful job protecting and serving their community and occasional a cop makes a mistake or occasionally there's a bad one in the ranks, yet some folk want to lump them all together.

Imagine if we applied the same principle to all occupations. Had 1 bad experience with a shop keep? Yeah, all dem damn shopkeepers.

Unfortunately, the so called "good" cops are covering up for the "bad" ones. That makes them all bad in my opinion.

Please, produce your evidence, else wise.

[ChoakMyDee]

Funny how they feel terrible when a cop is killed but they have no comment when a cop murders a citizen.

Funny how some people are so out of touch with reality.

There's hundreds of thousands of police around the USA doing a wonderful job protecting and serving their community and occasional a cop makes a mistake or occasionally there's a bad one in the ranks, yet some folk want to lump them all together.

Imagine if we applied the same principle to all occupations. Had 1 bad experience with a shop keep? Yeah, all dem damn shopkeepers.

Unfortunately, the so called "good" cops are covering up for the "bad" ones. That makes them all bad in my opinion.

Please, produce your evidence, else wise.

I'm on a very slow satellite connection so I can't gather the links but it is an easy thing to do if you are interested. A good start is to do a search for "police brutality" on YouTube. You can spend days and days looking at the videos of police brutalizing and murdering people...this will lead you to other links. That is, if you are interested. I suspect you really don't want to do the homework though. You probably just want to brow beat anyone who says anything you don't like. Please surprise me!

[neverdie]

S U R P R I S E !

How'd I do?

[neverdie]

So according to CMD, if it's on YouTube it must be factual.

Gewd give me strength.

[ChoakMyDee]

So according to CMD, if it's on YouTube it must be factual.

Gewd give me strength.

Yes actually, if you are watching a video on YouTube you are actually watching what happened. If you don't like one video, try another. After watching hundreds of them and seeing many many occasions where cops escalate situations and brutalize people you may begin to understand what i am saying. Of course, if you are not interested, then don't bother. Just keep mocking me.

[neverdie]

So according to CMD, if it's on YouTube it must be factual.

Gewd give me strength.

Yes actually, if you are watching a video on YouTube you are actually watching what happened. If you don't like one video, try another. After watching hundreds of them and seeing many many occasions where cops escalate situations and brutalize people you may begin to understand what i am saying. Of course, if you are not interested, then don't bother. Just keep mocking me.

There's literally BILLIONS of Poluce actions taking place each day around the world and you conjure up a few hundred unclear video clips along with a few clearer ones and suddenly all the cops are bad, no good.

Come on man, turn it up.

I also accept sometimes police make mistakes and bad decisions, some are criminals, but they are the minority.

Walk a mile in their shoes

[ChoakMyDee]

So according to CMD, if it's on YouTube it must be factual.

Gewd give me strength.

Yes actually, if you are watching a video on YouTube you are actually watching what happened. If you don't like one video, try another. After watching hundreds of them and seeing many many occasions where cops escalate situations and brutalize people you may begin to understand what i am saying. Of course, if you are not interested, then don't bother. Just keep mocking me.

There's literally BILLIONS of Poluce actions taking place each day around the world and you conjure up a few hundred unclear video clips along with a few clearer ones and suddenly all the cops are bad, no good.

Come on man, turn it up.

I also accept sometimes police make mistakes and bad decisions, some are criminals, but they are the minority.

Walk a mile in their shoes

So you agree with me then? Why didn't you just say that before so I wouldn't have to waste time explaining all this to you?