Brexit roadmap still vague amid endless tussle

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Spotlight: Brexit roadmap still vague amid endless tussle

Source: Xinhua 

by Xinhua writer Gui Tao

 

LONDON, Aug. 30 (Xinhua) -- Over two months following the Brexit vote, a clear plan for Britain's departure from the European Union (EU) is still nowhere in sight as feuding British politicians are at odds over the EU single market access.

 

British cabinet ministers are splitting over whether Britain should remain in the single market of the EU, London's major trading partner, at the price of an open border for EU workers.

 

Hardline Brexiteers prefer a complete exit from the internal market but those who advocate a slower and softer exit want to stay in the 28-member market to cushion the blow for the world's leading financial center.

 

Full story: http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2016-08/30/c_135643399.htm

 

-- Xinhua 2016-08-30

[carstenp]

With all the economic problems they have in UK after the voting and talking about leaving, they are never going to leave EU. Politic, new faces and the option changes. There must be a reason why no action taking yet. Just talks 

 

This says it all

 

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The former UK shadow work and pensions secretary has added another twist to the already complex issue by vowing to block formal negotiations with EU leaders until the British government offers a second EU referendum or calls a general election to approve its final Brexit deal.

 

Edited August 30, 2016 by carstenp

[Jip99]

13 minutes ago, carstenp said:

With all the economic problems they have in UK after the voting and talking about leaving, they are never going to leave EU. Politic, new faces and the option changes. There must be a reason why no action taking yet. Just talks 

 

This says it all

 

 

 

 

What economic problems exactly are you referring to ?

[dick dasterdly]

I thought May had said that there will not be a Commons vote?

 

Not sure how the former shadow work and pensions secretary can block negotiations until his terms are met?

[happy Joe]

Britons voted leave, so they must get out.

 

Yes but stay would be better for the country, at least for the next 10 years.

 

Here is the question... 

[Jip99]

5 minutes ago, happy Joe said:

Britons voted leave, so they must get out.

 

Yes but stay would be better for the country, at least for the next 10 years.

 

Here is the question... 

 

 

What is the question?

[carstenp]

There are many level of problems. Mostly companies moving out of UK layoff of people and so on.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-latest-banks-leave-uk-eu-jpmorgan-goldman-sachs-citi-group-deutsche-bank-a7193686.html

http://www.theweek.co.uk/brexit/63710/sterling-slump-post-brexit-boosts-uk-tourism

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-07-22/brexit-vote-wreaks-havoc-on-u-k-economy-flash-estimates-show

 

1 hour ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

What economic problems exactly are you referring to ?

 

 

 

[Lite Beer]

The pigeons are now coming home to roost.

The country is in a mess and there is no exit plan.

Better to just scrap the whole thing and let the country recover.

[petermik]

1 minute ago, Lite Beer said:

The pigeons are now coming home to roost.

The country is in a mess and there is no exit plan.

Better to just scrap the whole thing and let the country recover.

You obviously are not up to date with the recent improved economic data coming out since the vote,otherwise you would not post tripe like this

We,re coming out and things can/will only get better...........the EU,s situation is their own bloody mess to sort out

[Lite Beer]

2 minutes ago, petermik said:

You obviously are not up to date with the recent improved economic data coming out since the vote,otherwise you would not post tripe like this

We,re coming out and things can/will only get better...........the EU,s situation is their own bloody mess to sort out

 

Most of the figures coming out now are from before the vote.

Brexit has not really kicked in yet.

Things are going to get a lot worse than they already are.

Even the so called brexiters in the government are squabbling amongst themselves.

 

BTW, because someone has the temerity to disagree with your opinion does not make it tripe.

So please show a little respect.

 

 

[Jip99]

5 minutes ago, Lite Beer said:

 

Most of the figures coming out now are from before the vote.

Brexit has not really kicked in yet.

Things are going to get a lot worse than they already are.

Even the so called brexiters in the government are squabbling amongst themselves.

 

BTW, because someone has the temerity to disagree with your opinion does not make it tripe.

So please show a little respect.

 

 

 

 

 

So when you do post tripe about the country being in a mess what respect are you expecting to receive ?

[petermik]

Tripe is the lining of a cows stomach and is an excellent especially honeycomb, sprinkled with  malt vinegar and a dash of pepper it makes a very tasty dish.......this is far more factual and accurate than your original post

[Rancid]

Politicians rarely argue over philosophical questions these days, more likely they are arguing their donors positions. Nothing worse than the peasants derailing plans or destabilizing comfy monopolies...

[dick dasterdly]

1 minute ago, Rancid said:

Politicians rarely argue over philosophical questions these days, more likely they are arguing their donors positions. Nothing worse than the peasants derailing plans or destabilizing comfy monopolies...

More accurately, how they can best gain financial advantage for themselves?

 

But I agree - the last thing they need is the peasants destabilising these opportunities.

[sandyf]

Theresa May to chair first cabinet meeting on Brexit strategy

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/theresa-may-to-chair-first-cabinet-meeting-on-brexit-strategy-1.2772359

 

People should try and remember who is actually in charge of Brexit.

 

" Although the political direction of the Brexit talks will be set by the EU leaders, who will meet without Ms May in Bratislava on September 16th, the commission’s task force is likely to formulate detailed policy options. "

[dick dasterdly]

2 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Theresa May to chair first cabinet meeting on Brexit strategy

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/theresa-may-to-chair-first-cabinet-meeting-on-brexit-strategy-1.2772359

 

People should try and remember who is actually in charge of Brexit.

 

" Although the political direction of the Brexit talks will be set by the EU leaders, who will meet without Ms May in Bratislava on September 16th, the commission’s task force is likely to formulate detailed policy options. "

Quite.  May is in charge of Brexit and has already said that there will not be a Commons vote.

 

Edit - and why does text keep getting smaller??  

Edited August 30, 2016 by dick dasterdly

[sandyf]

"Britain will never leave the EU because Boris Johnson and other leading Brexiteers did not realise the full complexity of the process, a leading expert has claimed. "

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/brexit-article-50-eu-referendum-uk-will-never-leave-says-top-academic-a7214926.html

[sandyf]

4 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Quite.  May is in charge of Brexit and has already said that there will not be a Commons vote.

Not quite. The EU commission's task force will lead the way, UK strategy is a bit academic.

[dick dasterdly]

1 minute ago, sandyf said:

Not quite. The EU commission's task force will lead the way, UK strategy is a bit academic.

I doubt it as the EU is thrown in array as much (if not more) than the UK.

 

May has said that there will not be a Commons vote and the UK is getting along quite well (despite so many stating that a brexit vote would immediately lead to financial disaster).

[sandyf]

2 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

I doubt it as the EU is thrown in array as much (if not more) than the UK.

 

May has said that there will not be a Commons vote and the UK is getting along quite well (despite so many stating that a brexit vote would immediately lead to financial disaster).

If you have doubts over who will be in charge then you should read Article 50.

[dick dasterdly]

Just now, sandyf said:

If you have doubts over who will be in charge then you should read Article 50.

Unfortunately , I can't be bothered to wade through pages on Article 50.

 

So perhaps you would be more explicit as to the points that you think are relevant?

[sandyf]

5 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Unfortunately , I can't be bothered to wade through pages on Article 50.

 

So perhaps you would be more explicit as to the points that you think are relevant?

Para 2 states that the withdrawal agreement will be concluded by the EU Council after being passed by the EU parliament. Fairly obvious who is going to have the final say.

It should be noted that para 1 states the withdrawal should be IAW the member states own constitution.  This is what has brought the legal challenge, the courts have to decide who has constitutional authority to invoke Article 50, the PM or Parliament.

 

Article 50 of the Treaty on European Union allows a member state to notify the EU of its withdrawal and obliges the EU to try to negotiate a ‘withdrawal agreement’ with that state – it involves five points laid out below.

1. “Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.
2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.
3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.
4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it. A qualified majority shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3)(b) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.
5. If a State which has withdrawn from the Union asks to rejoin, its request shall be subject to the procedure referred to in Article 49.”

[Grouse]

It's like letting the kids choose what to do at the weekend. You now have to go along with whatever nonsense they chose. Fortunately, if it all gets too silly the grown ups will take control.

[Caps]

I voted leave but I am sad to say that the whole thing is now becoming a shambles.  One way or another the Government should make a choice and get on with it sharpish.  The longer it drags on the more pain the country will suffer.  You can not blame one side or the other.  I think the fault lays at the door of Number 10 for not getting on with it  and for being so confident they were going to win without having another plan.  The only exit plan on the cards was Camerons own.  Very foolish.

I hope the country can sort its self out and get back on its feet one way or another

 

[Baerboxer]

6 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

I thought May had said that there will not be a Commons vote?

 

Not sure how the former shadow work and pensions secretary can block negotiations until his terms are met?

 

He can't block bugger all. Or force an election, second referendum or common's vote. Another prat from the lacklustre opposition. Dopey Sturgeon and fishy Salmond were making the same claims too. They would block this and that, demand this and that and insist on their way.

Seems a disease with British politicians - all ego and delusion driven. Pity none of them, including the government and its party had any plan or clue what to do in the event of a leave vote securing more votes in the referendum.

 

Dodgy Dave, Boris the Buffoon, Non-trustworthy Nigel, Commie Corbyn and Jimmy Krankie in Scotland. How blessed Britain is with political genius and heavyweights.

 

 

[jesimps]

3 hours ago, Lite Beer said:

The pigeons are now coming home to roost.

The country is in a mess and there is no exit plan.

Better to just scrap the whole thing and let the country recover.

Not on your nelly. Best to do as the majority of the people voted for in the referendum and leave NOW. If not, it makes a mockery of democracy and any future referendum on anything.

 

 

[maxtwo]

You negotiate to enter a club not leave we have paid are dues and shud just walk a way waving good by losses.And when they come to try and sell us their bmw we will negotiate.

[SteveB2]

Brexit will inevitably cause some economic uncertainty.

 

However, understand that the reasons the UK referendum recorded a majority vote to leave, were NOT based on short term economic or EU 'vote buying' reasons (Using just some of the money that the UK regularly pays into the EU)

 

Great Britain chose to leave, so as to regain control of its own democratic right to determine what laws should apply in the UK, and to regain control of its own borders.

 

Secondary issues of the UK being a continuous major contributor to the EU, plus the EU being a non-democratic organization with sham parliament who cannot even propose new laws that are put before them by a 'Polit Bureau' non-democratic selected EU commission... also rear their ugly heads.

 

Consider: Hundreds of thousands of Brits died in 2 world wars plus other conflicts through the ages, to protect our self-determination and world’s first ever democracy.

 

It’s kind of insulting to choose to disregard the sacrifices of all our brave countrymen with such glib short-term BS economic statements.

 

Shame on you remainers! 

 

[sungod]

When you weigh it up against the US prospect of either Trump or Clinton, I'd say we are doing rather nicely thank you.

[allane]

Here is what the rest of the EU should do before the UK triggers the two year period:  Absolutely nothing.

Here is what the rest of the EU should do during the two year period, presuming that Theresa May indeed has the guts to start the two year clock ticking:  Absolutely nothing.

Britain has voted to leave. Now they should do that. Once they are out, and after a period of some years, the EU might consider re-admitting the UK, if the UK asks nicely, and agrees to join on the same terms which all the other members have already accepted.

Negotiating with Britain now is the last thing the EU should do . Doing that would just encourage other countries to hold plebiscites, referendums etc.

Once the two year clock starts ticking, Britain's bargaining power will diminish with every passing day. If the EU has the fortitude to do nothing for only 730 days, Britain will then be leaving with nothing.

David Cameron is one of the biggest idiots in history. He called a referendum which he didn't need to call, lost it, and then quit. If the EU plays its cards right, or to be correct, refuses to play cards at all, the UK will get what it deserves.