Australian DJ jailed for life in Thailand

[Redline]

1 minute ago, tropo said:

Is it really necessary to copy and paste an entire article that you found on Google? A link would suffice or give us a summary of the key points.

Yes!  And it's not the whole article.  Read and learn

[Jiu-Jitsu]

4 hours ago, PattayaBoy said:

Lol coffe doesn't alter the mind.

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Psychoactive drugs are divided into different groups according to their pharmacological effects. Commonly used psychoactive drugs and groups:

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[tropo]

4 minutes ago, Redline said:

Yes!  And it's not the whole article.  Read and learn

No thanks! If you've got points to make, make them, don't paste long reports. A link will suffice.

[tropo]

14 hours ago, AlexRich said:

 

You have an opinion. Did I dispute that? Am I allowed to have one? Or is it just a one-way street?

 

Strange that the very places that execute drug dealers have the biggest drug dealing problem? Doesn't seem to be working, does it? I read recently that the Thai Government are considering de-criminalising certain drugs that are currently illegal. So you might not be on the side of the law for much longer, you'll be on the other side. 

 

As for 'persons of interest', I don't recall anyone confessing to crimes on here, do you? When you talk about the delusional, are you really just referring to yourself?

 

My theory is that the harsher the punishment for drug crimes, the more expensive the drugs become, making the business more profitable for everyone (producers, wholesalers and low end distributors). At the end of the day addicted drug users have to get their drugs.

 

We should all be keeping a very close eye on the Philippines to see how successful (or not) Duterte's war on drugs proves to be. Ultimately I believe he'll only change the nature of the drug business and the business will survive (him) and ultimately prosper.

[moe666]

At one time the Great State of Texas would give amurder a couple of years but get caught with pot 25 to 50 years.

[louse1953]

On 9/7/2016 at 10:41 AM, NotMyUsualid said:

You mean like Warren Fellows, another Aus?

 

He did EIGHTEEN YEARS in Bangkwang.

 

Truly hell on Earth.

 

So I call B.S. to your six years.

They weren't exchanging prisoners then.

[louse1953]

26 minutes ago, tropo said:

My theory is that the harsher the punishment for drug crimes, the more expensive the drugs become, making the business more profitable for everyone (producers, wholesalers and low end distributors). At the end of the day addicted drug users have to get their drugs.

 

We should all be keeping a very close eye on the Philippines to see how successful (or not) Duterte's war on drugs proves to be. Ultimately I believe he'll only change the nature of the drug business and the business will survive (him) and ultimately prosper.

You got a short memory mate,happened here first and a complete failure.Just made dacca more expensive.Durete is just a poor mans Shin.

[MyFrenU]

7 hours ago, JustNo said:

lol ikr, it is as if people can never change! or lose interest in something!! I used to take illegal street drugs, I must be the scum of the Earth!! 

The DNA structure was worked out whilst on LSD by the way, and many great leaps forward in human history are due to substance use.

Francis Crick — LSD
Thomas Edison — Cocaine Elixirs
Paul Erdös — Amphetamines
Steve Jobs — LSD
Bill Gates — LSD
John C. Lilly — LSD, Ketamine
Richard Feynman — LSD, Marijuana, Ketamine
Carl Sagan — Marijuana
 

Albert Einstein took LSD also before calculating his theory of relativity.
Antoni Gaudi the "Son of Barcelona" was killed by a tram while high on magic mushrooms,he had stepped outside to admire his life's work and was knocked down.It took the city officials three days to identify the body,they thought he was a vagabundo (vagrant) as he had become obsessed with 'La Sagrada Familia' and was sleeping in the Cathedral by then!

[MyFrenU]

7 hours ago, Shawn0000 said:

 

Lilly might not be a good one to have on the list, he was doing pretty damn good up until he started using the drugs, then he started going on about the Intergalactic Coincidence Control Office and how our only single obligation in life is to accept the control of earthly coincidences by some alien beings, that is when they locked him up. 

That's some good sh1t right there man!

[tropo]

18 minutes ago, louse1953 said:

You got a short memory mate,happened here first and a complete failure.Just made dacca more expensive.Durete is just a poor mans Shin.

My memory is fine mate. What happened here is no comparison to what's going on over there.

 

Duterte is nothing like Shin. No comparison is valid.

 

As I did say, I don't believe it will work in the long run, but it's certainly shaking the country up right now.

 

[bangkok19]

I've heard nothing of this on Sydney radio or the TV media.

It should get an airing, if not to inform us of a fellow Australian's plight, but to possibly prevent another Aussie from getting in to the same predicament.

[F4UCorsair]

I've read almost every post, and posted several times myself.

 

The proponents for drugs can argue till the cows come home that their poison of choice is harmless, and that the penalty is way too harsh.   They'll argue that illicit drugs only adversely affect some people, etc.

 

The opponents of drugs will fight them at every turn, and argue that the penalty is not severe enough, and that non prescription drugs, produced under uncontrolled conditions with largely unknown ingredients, have the potential to harm everybody, etc.

 

The internet will provide each side with plentiful material, but

 

What many are missing here is that this guy violated the law/s of Thailand, and if he didn't know that drug penalties in the Kingdom are SEVERE, he deserves two life sentences for gross stupidity.

 

There is a warning note on Australian passport covers that some countries provide for the death penalty for drug offences.  That information is advised as part of the arrival PA on some airlines in some countries, certainly Indonesia and Vietnam, and I think also Thailand.

 

Fact is, he committed a crime, knowing the penalty, so has been subjected to the strictness, some may even say corruption, of the Thai legal system, BUT if he hadn't committed the crime of using drugs, he would not be in this position, severe, corrupt, or whatever the Thai legal system is seen to be.  It doesn't get any simpler than that!!!  Everything else is irrelevant, and particularly irrelevant are the arguments on how harmless or non addictive illicit drugs are, or how people should have the right to do whatever they choose, unencumbered by laws made by others, provided they harm no one else.

 

Surely that's the end of the (his) story??  And hopefully this thread.   It's been done to death, and with mostly irrelevant information on the harmfulness, or otherwise, of illicit drugs.

Edited September 8, 2016 by F4UCorsair
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[Thechook]

33 minutes ago, bangkok19 said:

I've heard nothing of this on Sydney radio or the TV media.

It should get an airing, if not to inform us of a fellow Australian's plight, but to possibly prevent another Aussie from getting in to the same predicament.

I haven't seen anything in the aussie media either.  How many times can aussies be warn about drugs and asia, the warning go on and on and you would have to be a brain dead druggie not to hear and take note of them.

[F4UCorsair]

47 minutes ago, bangkok19 said:

I've heard nothing of this on Sydney radio or the TV media.

It should get an airing, if not to inform us of a fellow Australian's plight, but to possibly prevent another Aussie from getting in to the same predicament.

 

 

How much airing do you need?    Notice on passport covers, advised on the flight attendants' PA on descent.

 

Some people are beyond help, and that's what illicit drugs can do to people.   Even some prescription drugs have had adverse effects on some people, and they are produced under strictly controlled conditions, using only known, pure, ingredients, and tested exhaustively, sometimes for years before being put into general use.  Ever heard of thalidomide???

 

Despite Sukumaran and Chan being shot in Indonesia, there have been several Australians charged since for drug offences.  It's not 3 year olds using/dealing drugs in these countries, but fare paying adults.  Sooner or later, they must take responsibility for their own actions.

Edited September 8, 2016 by F4UCorsair
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[F4UCorsair]

Just now, Thechook said:

I haven't seen anything in the aussie media either.  How many times can aussies be warn about drugs and asia, the warning go on and on and you would have to be a brain dead druggie not to hear and take note of them.

 

 

We're on the same page chook, but as I just posted, that's what drugs do to people, with brains damaged.

 

I think the problem with it not reaching the media in Australia is that it's become normalized, no longer newsworthy, and the press are whores, only airing what will get them readers or viewers.

[The manic]

The use of drug laws is primitive and barbaric and linked to societal corruption.

[F4UCorsair]

Just now, The manic said:

The use of drug laws is primitive and barbaric and linked to societal corruption.

 

 

So lobby to change the laws, but while those laws exist, penalties will be applied.

 

As I posted much earlier, some laws, and some drug laws may be among them, are created to reduce costs for the government, e.g., hanging  a limp arm out the window of a car.  Sideswipes tear off arms off, and the cost to the public health system can run to hundreds of thousands of $$.  Joe Average taxpayer doesn't want to pay for someone else's stupidity, and why should he??

[IslandLover]

15 hours ago, lostinisaan said:

 

 You're one of quite a few posters who write the same old crap that's just not true. It's not that you all in a sudden need harder drugs, once you've started smoking pot. Pot guys don't wanna hang out with junkie   

The only reason why you might think that Cannabis was the cause that finally killed your friends is that all of these drugs are illegal and people need to go to certain places where also other drugs are available.

 

       I've worked with/for hard drug addicts many years, visited them in prison, then brought them to a therapy, but sadly many of them died overdosed on the day when they left their therapy before the end, or when they came back to the same old ":friends" and took the same amount they were on before.

 

   I've lost quite a lot of friends who died overdosed, or AIDS killed them after needle sharing, because people couldn't buy their "equipment" at a drug store for a long time. A lot others died of Hep. C/D/E.....

 

    It's just not true that Cannabis is making people to hard drug addicts. Sorry, for being a little off topic. 

It's just not true that Cannabis is making people to hard drug addicts.

 

Yes and no.  Cannabis on it's own doesn't, but it's the whole culture surrounding drug taking and the company that people keep that leads to hard drugs.  Apart from that, the cannabis sold nowadays is much stronger than the stuff that people used to smoke in the 1960s.

[autanic]

I have just finished reading about 20 or so pages, where people are trying to say that X, isn't as bad as alcohol and that life in prision is too harsh. How it is only the fact that their foreigners that the sentences are so hard.

 

Ecstasy is illegal in Thailand and they were caught with a lot of tablets, clearly not just a case of possession.

Its Thailand what did they think would happen if they got caught, receive a caution.

Maybe they thought they could bribe the cops.

 

They have a lot of time to figure it out. 

[autanic]

Lets just say a girl or boy from the UK, USA or Australia had bought this Ecstasy from these lads.  Resulting in their deaths.  We would all be on here criticising Thailand and how it must have been some Thai Criminal who had done this one of our own.  It reeks of hypocrisy of the highest order.  

 

These guys took and sold drugs, they caught, they will do the time.

Edited September 8, 2016 by autanic

[IslandLover]

13 hours ago, JustNo said:

lol ikr, it is as if people can never change! or lose interest in something!! I used to take illegal street drugs, I must be the scum of the Earth!! 

The DNA structure was worked out whilst on LSD by the way, and many great leaps forward in human history are due to substance use.

Francis Crick — LSD
Thomas Edison — Cocaine Elixirs
Paul Erdös — Amphetamines
Steve Jobs — LSD
Bill Gates — LSD
John C. Lilly — LSD, Ketamine
Richard Feynman — LSD, Marijuana, Ketamine
Carl Sagan — Marijuana
 

 

You forgot the Beatles.  Some of their best music was produced whilst under the influence of LSD.

[metisdead]

Off topic posts and replies have been removed.  Posts in violation of fair use policy have been removed as well as the replies.  Please remember this:

 

3) You will not post about activities or links to websites containing such material that are illegal in Thailand. This includes but is not limited to: gambling, betting, pornography, illegal drugs, fake goods/clothing, file sharing of pirated material, pyramid schemes, etc. Discussion of the above is permitted only as news items, but never as a "how to" topic.
 

[IslandLover]

@ Bangkok19

 

Report in Australian media:

 

http://www.theage.com.au/world/australian-dj-jailed-for-life-in-thailand-20160907-grai1m.html

[joecoolfrog]

Very disturbing to see so many condoning this outrageous sentence. Whatever ones views on recreational drugs ( which are used by huge amounts of people without issue ) , how can it be right that murderers and rapists routinely get punished in a far less severe manner , or in certain circumstances not punished at all.

[Don Mega]

5 minutes ago, joecoolfrog said:

how can it be right that murderers and rapists routinely get punished in a far less severe manner , or in certain circumstances not punished at all.

 

Because that how the penatlies are defined.

 

murder = 15 to 20 years imprisonment.

category 1 drugs = up to life imprisonment.

 

sucks but that the way it is.

[autanic]

8 minutes ago, joecoolfrog said:

Very disturbing to see so many condoning this outrageous sentence. Whatever ones views on recreational drugs ( which are used by huge amounts of people without issue ) , how can it be right that murderers and rapists routinely get punished in a far less severe manner , or in certain circumstances not punished at all.

I agree with you. But Thailand's sentencing is based on International Standards, which attaches the length of a sentence to the possible harm the offender may have. 

[joeyg]

7 hours ago, AlexRich said:

 

"Choose life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a f*cking big television. Choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching fabrics. Choose DIY and wondering who the <deleted> you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit crushing game shows, stuffing junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, f*cked up brats you spawned to replace yourself. Choose a future. Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life: I chose something else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you've got heroin?"

 

Trainspotting, by Irvine Welsh

Good advice.  Haven't watched TV in almost 3 years.  And successful, thank God, in all the other things you mentioned.  One you missed though.  Choose not stuffing putrified animal carcasses down your pie hole everyday.  And maybe you've got heroin, I surely don't.  Choose a "hot shot."

[joeyg]

7 hours ago, moe666 said:

At one time the Great State of Texas would give amurder a couple of years but get caught with pot 25 to 50 years.

The great state of Texas just banned Sharia law.  Just sayin"...

[z42]

2 hours ago, F4UCorsair said:

I've read almost every post, and posted several times myself.

 

The proponents for drugs can argue till the cows come home that their poison of choice is harmless, and that the penalty is way too harsh.   They'll argue that illicit drugs only adversely affect some people, etc.

 

The opponents of drugs will fight them at every turn, and argue that the penalty is not severe enough, and that non prescription drugs, produced under uncontrolled conditions with largely unknown ingredients, have the potential to harm everybody, etc.

 

The internet will provide each side with plentiful material, but

 

What many are missing here is that this guy violated the law/s of Thailand, and if he didn't know that drug penalties in the Kingdom are SEVERE, he deserves two life sentences for gross stupidity.

 

There is a warning note on Australian passport covers that some countries provide for the death penalty for drug offences.  That information is advised as part of the arrival PA on some airlines in some countries, certainly Indonesia and Vietnam, and I think also Thailand.

 

Fact is, he committed a crime, knowing the penalty, so has been subjected to the strictness, some may even say corruption, of the Thai legal system, BUT if he hadn't committed the crime of using drugs, he would not be in this position, severe, corrupt, or whatever the Thai legal system is seen to be.  It doesn't get any simpler than that!!!  Everything else is irrelevant, and particularly irrelevant are the arguments on how harmless or non addictive illicit drugs are, or how people should have the right to do whatever they choose, unencumbered by laws made by others, provided they harm no one else.

 

Surely that's the end of the (his) story??  And hopefully this thread.   It's been done to death, and with mostly irrelevant information on the harmfulness, or otherwise, of illicit drugs.

 

Well it seems that the "facts" would suggest that Lance (the brit) committed a crime (caught selling gear), and Jake (the Aussie) did not as according to the legal teams involved in the case, the drugs in question were found in Jake's girlfriend's apartment, not in Jake's apartment, not on Jake's person, not in Jake's stool sample, nothing.  And we hear nothing about the (presumably Thai) girlfriend, why not do you think?

It would appear at this stage that Lance has tried to cut a deal to save his own skin after getting caught red handed dishing gear out to all and sundry in Pattaya. Despite their obvious flaws they do know all the players big and small in a place like Pattaya, and the cops will pull the plug on any player when they want to, or when they get the call to.

I am not defending Lance, I think the more I have read about him, the more I think his sentence is deserved (for not having the balls to take his punishment when caught bang to rights). I am however disgusted about the predicament the Aussie defendant is in. It is not clear beyond any doubt that he has committed any crime at all. I would have also pleaded not guilty if A, my lawyers suggested to, and B, if I knew deep down the gear wasn't mine & that the truth would set me free.

And for the record, you are entitled to your anti drugs stance, you clearly have your reasons. But the way you try and shoot down others with a different view (lived out through positive experience in many cases) makes your views appear largely biased, short sighted, and misinformed. The harmfulness of drugs isn't irrelevant in this case, these 2 lads are going away for decades (minimum) for association with drugs whose toxicity and harmfulness has never been scientifically proven. I, and others think it is unjust and immoral that people can be punished so severely for use and sale of it, while other readily available drugs that have been PROVEN to be many times more harmful can be sold aggressively far and wide because they have a powerful geopolitical lobby.

 

Despite what the law says, what do you think of alcohol and tobacco retailers, knowing full well what they do sell kills people in their MILLIONS annually? Very keen to know 

[joeyg]

 

"There is a warning note on Australian passport covers that some countries provide for the death penalty for drug offences.  That information is advised as part of the arrival PA on some airlines in some countries, certainly Indonesia and Vietnam, and I think also Thailand."   Now that is funny...