update on affirmations of freedom to marry not being accepted anywhere in Thailand.

[happylarry]

58 minutes ago, faraday said:

It is added after you present the doc to them.

I went to the British Embassy 2 weeks ago, & it was on the bottom.

Went to the Amphur, got married without any problems.

Dunno why so many people are having these alleged difficulties.

 

"alleged difficulties", so are you insinuating that all these dozens of people are telling lies just because you have been lucky enough to find a farang friendly amphur?

HL

[Farang99]

17 hours ago, Gillyflower said:

Yeah, but in HK they are Brit trained!

 British trained? The handover to China was in 1997 - 19 years ago. How much Brit training would have survived that long under the new regime?

[Deepinthailand]

1 hour ago, faraday said:

It is added after you present the doc to them.

I went to the British Embassy 2 weeks ago, & it was on the bottom.

Went to the Amphur, got married without any problems.

Dunno why so many people are having these alleged difficulties.

 

Can I ask which Amphoe you used please and when thank you

[faraday]

30 minutes ago, happylarry said:

"alleged difficulties", so are you insinuating that all these dozens of people are telling lies just because you have been lucky enough to find a farang friendly amphur?

HL

Nope. But perhaps some people are not as careful in making sure that all their docs are correct.

[faraday]

29 minutes ago, Deepinthailand said:

Can I ask which Amphoe you used please and when thank you

Nongbaulamphu about 5 days ago.

Good luck.

[northernboy]

21 hours ago, Thaidream said:

There have been a series of 'marriages of convenience' reported in Thailand involving Indians/Chinese and other nationalities providing money to a Thai woman to marry them so they could stay in Thailand with a marriage visa. This is normally for some business reason or possibly to enable an illegal action. What is currently happening with the affirmation is IMHO an over reaction which will not solve the issue at all. The Embassy always has a disclaimer because there is no possible way they could check the background of every citizen. however, the affirmation is acceptable because it is done under penalty of perjury.

If the marriage turns out to be illegal- say a marriage of convenience- no amount of pre checking can stop these. However, what is done in the West- the USA for example is a series of interviews involving  the Visa application; home visits; and a provisional Visa of normally 2 years before it is finalized. No government can stop citizens from marriage but it looks as if the Thai bureaucracy is trying to make it more difficult.

 

It was actually marriage papers to Indians that were issued in the name of Thai nationals woman who had not even gone to register anything, and it came to light when she actually tried to marry her tthai husband and found her identity was stolen and used. There were hundred of more  cases and believe the offender was moved to another posting .  

 

So this is not about checking anything . 

[northernboy]

21 hours ago, Thaidream said:

An affirmation of marriage is sworn to under penalty of perjury and has always been accepted by the Thai marriage registry office apparently until now. Why should someone have to spend money for a 'wedding planner' to have them convince the marriage registration department to do their job?  I see this as a roadblock which uses money to unblock it which is as we know is common in certain areas of the World.  People should complain constantly to their embassy about this. If push comes to shove- I would go abroad and get married and bring back the documentation and then register the marriage in Thailand. When this happens enough times- those in power will stop this current nonsense.

 

 Yes, your right to suggest to complain to the British embassy, who insists on putting a useless disclaimer of their responsibility to the truthfulness of the sworn affidavit.  

As you state it is a matter of perjury and most all other so called first world countries do not feel a need to stamp it with this disclaimer. Only a few African and The Indian nations but none of the other first world countries. 

It is the embassies arrogance that has caused this problem.

You can not register in Thailand or most any other country after you marry elsewhere. The only country that does that is Singapore oddly enough.  Everywhere else on just notifies the country. 

 

[blackcab]

On 23/09/2016 at 6:18 PM, Faz said:

There is no such disclaimer on their example of a completed affirmation.

 

When the Affirmation is witnessed the Vice Consul or Consul signs, dates and embosses the Affirmation. They also stamp a disclaimer, as shown in the attachment.

Edited September 24, 2016 by blackcab