California police show videos of fatal shooting of black man

[JDGRUEN]

4 minutes ago, tifino said:

 

 

yes, but... where's the video?

 

I can search, but there are so many many results of US Police shooting blacks, that I might be looking at the wrong one!!

 

horror forbid

You are assuming the info contained in false statistics...   here is part of the correct information ... I will find an post another... soon.

 

This includes blacks killed by cops... 

 

[stevenl]

21 minutes ago, ClutchClark said:

 

Steve,

 

Always such a pleasure to read your posts. They are a great reminder in how enjoyable my life is compared to someone with your constant vitriol. 

 

Ofcourse police are part of the solution to addiction. You can think of your arrest as an "intervention".

 

Its quite difficult to remain in denial about your drug/alcohol abuse when you are locked up in the back of a squad in handcuffs. Then, ofcourse, the arrest results in a court hearing where mandatory counseling is so often part of the plea deal your attorney will make on your behalf. 

 

As I stated earlier, talk to a recovering addict and ask what the bottom was that initiated change and they will tell you it was when the wife left with the kids, when the boss fired them, when the doctor told them they have cirrhosis,  and/or when they got busted for DUI or posession charges. 

 

You should do some ride-alongs with your local PD. It would be great to get some educated and informed  posts from you about your experience. You could get some real insights into the sordid side of humanity that police are exposed to daily and which I am not sure you know exists. 

 

Cheers

 

 

No, not falling for your baiting.

[JDGRUEN]

10 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

I think that you have missed my original point by a long shot. I was in no way condoning the senseless violence or breaking into stores and stealing the livlihoods of others that you are referring to. I was responding to the following statement: "At what point will a news report actually call violent protesters what they really are--RIOTERS." by pointing out that calling them rioters was not a slur. Riots have, in the past, happened for very just reason and have resulted in very positive outcomes.

 

 

I know of no violent riots in my lifetime in America that were for just reasons... you make a silly excuse making position statement. 

[tifino]

10 minutes ago, JDGRUEN said:

You are assuming the info contained in false statistics...   here is part of the correct information ... I will find an post another... soon.

 

This includes blacks killed by cops... 

 

 

yes I've seen all this, and that B.L.Matter is just all smoking gun...

 

I just wanted to see the video actually related to what started the Topic

 

[RuamRudy]

5 minutes ago, JDGRUEN said:

 

I know of no violent riots in my lifetime in America that were for just reasons... you make a silly excuse making position statement. 

 

So your ignorance means I am making silly excuses?

 

Here is a list to go through - why not educate yourself?

 

[ClutchClark]

36 minutes ago, stevenl said:

No, not falling for your baiting.

 

So basically your position has been exposed as undefendable.

 

OK...sounds good.

 

Maybe the next topic will be the one you prevail on.

[thaihome]

9 hours ago, Grubster said:

You are very correct the playing field has been very favorable to blacks and hasn't helped a bit. When I was in the Army [ 72 to 74] , the Army was ordered to promote blacks at a much faster rate than whites, While my friend was the best troop in our battalion he was a private E-3 after 1 1/2 years while worthless, lazy, blacks were made E-4 right out of basic training. The whites in our unit hung out in two's or three's while the blacks hung out in forties and fifties. I was in the chow line as soon as the mess hall opened every morning, but if the blacks showed up they all went to the front of the line, every day. They would refuse to do any hard work so we had to do all the digging and other hard work. All while they were getting more stripes on there uniforms, and more pay. When I got out I found if a black applied for the same job you did, then the company had no choice but to hire the black. This didn't matter as much because as soon as the black found out that the private sector was going to make him show up every day and WORK, they soon quit anyway. Later on they passed laws that you had to have a quota of blacks, a % based on population. This only applied to white owned companies, the black owned companies hired almost exclusively white workers gaining a huge advantage. Affirmative action is the dumbing down of our universities by making entrance scores much lower for blacks than whites. I worked a lot at our State university and saw very few blacks on the campus, They hung out near the dormitories selling dope and beating up white kids. The pizza companies would not send their deliveries to the University at night because the blacks would beat and rob them routinely. When these blacks are finally kicked out of the free housing and free schooling program there, then they have lived in our county long enough to get free schooling and housing through the county taxpayers at our community college that is now like a war zone. We had very few blacks in my town when I was growing up and it was a very nice sleepy town. Now it is about 30% black due to all the University drop outs staying around to deal drugs. We now have armed guards at all the elementary schools and the high school. The blacks at most US universities like to go "Polar Bear hunting", this is where four or five blacks ride around looking for a white victim walking somewhere, than one or more get out of the car and walk behind the white guy and then try to knock him out with one punch, they also call this the knock out game. I'm sure you have not heard of this as it never even makes the local news, and if it does they call it a fight.

              At our State university last year a mob of blacks went to a white fraternity party and drug three whites out to the street and beat them into serious condition. This was reported in our local newspaper as a fight on campus. The officials at all the big universities are paying the news to keep a lid on these activities as most people would not want to send their kid to a war zone like this.

            Now if you want to cry buffalo tears for the poor blacks thats up to you, but I would sure like to take you for a little fact finding tour, where you could walk down one of these used to be pristine streets at our local university, then when I picked you up at the hospital we could ask you what you did to aggravate those poor blacks like that.

 

Interesting post. I too was in the Army in '72-74. This was the start of the "all volunteer army" and they were trying very hard to attract people. It was a difficult time for race relations in the armed forces just as in the civilian world. The DoD conducted an investigation after several riots broke out on numerous installations.

 The investigating team further reported acute frustration and volatile anger among Black troops. They believed that a major cause for this was the failure, in too many instances, of command leadership to exercise the authority and responsibility in accordance with already established military regulations. A later task force would recommend a mandatory program in education for all military personnel and the creation of a race relations institute to train the instructors.

https://www.google.co.th/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a488652.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwj-otTBirzPAhVHrY8KHb6nAKcQFggaMAA&usg=AFQjCNF3GeE0c-LjyvhEbvcy5YmtDxKXGw&sig2=5Kxzy5TZFkX1CnWSz4hoxA 

In the MOS I was in we dealt with these issues every day and I personally witnessed several cases of blatant discrimination in the military justice system. There is little doubt that in attempts to remedy generations of discrimination that unqualified people were promoted, but most that I saw deserved it. Today, by most reports, there are few racial issues in the military.  This is primarily due to the actions taken in the early '70, though sometimes they were ineffective and caused resentment amount white troops.  

 

I followed my 2 years of military service with many years in a historically segregated construction trade, and again witnessed the complete change in the trades as mandated minority hiring and minority contractors were given preference on government projects. This was also painful for the whites that had for generations been able to ignore minorities. But, again today, things are much better today due these very programs you complain about.

 

So, it would seem that we share a very common experience of race relations in the last 45 years but some how you come across as very bitter, bordering on bigoted in your attitude today while I don't share any of your feelings. Why is that? Could it be because I have never succumb to a victim mentality?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_mentality

TH

[Grubster]

2 minutes ago, thaihome said:

 

Interesting post. I too was in the Army in '72-74. This was the start of the "all volunteer army" and they were trying very hard to attract people. It was a difficult time for race relations in the armed forces just as in the civilian world. The DoD conducted an investigation after several riots broke out on numerous installations.

 

 

In the MOS I was in we dealt with these issues every day and I personally witnessed several cases of blatant discrimination in the military justice system. There is little doubt that in attempts to remedy generations of discrimination that unqualified people were promoted, but most that I saw deserved it. Today, by most reports, there are few racial issues in the military.  This is primarily due to the actions taken in the early '70, though sometimes they were ineffective and caused resentment amount white troops.  

 

I followed my 2 years of military service with many years in a historically segregated construction trade, and again witnessed the complete change in the trades as mandated minority hiring and minority contractors were given preference on government projects. This was also painful for the whites that had for generations been able to ignore minorities. But, again today, things are much better today due these very programs you complain about.

 

So, it would seem that we share a very common experience of race relations in the last 45 years but some how you come across as very bitter, bordering on bigoted in your attitude today while I don't share any of your feelings. Why is that? Could it be because I have never succumb to a victim mentality?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_mentality

TH

I don't know but no I never had to worry for a job once I got settled into my career as a sheet metal worker. I ran large jobs for twenty years and had to hire help everywhere we would get a job, mostly Chicago area. I had to hire and keep some blacks that didn't/ wouldn't carry their weight, they were provided to me by the local union whom was forced to take them on even though they would not serve an apprenticeship because they had to fill quotas also. At my union hall a hundred miles west we didn't tolerate that, we always welcomed the blacks to serve the standard 5 year apprenticeship like everybody else but only a couple ever did it as you start out at a low wage and work up while going to school two nights per week on your own time. A couple did and became very good craftsmen.

 

 I don't know where you live/lived but I can tell you that these programs have been a big failure in Illinois, and I thought nationwide as the blacks are still crying constantly that whitey is holding them back. The fatherless child rates among blacks are astronomical and I mean they don't even know who the father is. 

 

     Yes I'm a little bitter about some of these problems, I was a laborer before I got in the trade, The road construction companies had to start hiring women, this is very heavy and hard work, The old guys who we would put on the signs were moved back into the ditches digging and lifting the heavy stuff because women simply are not strong enough to do it. I watched as these guys crippled up and died while the girls were working more hours and making more money. Bitter, Yeah but I get over it.

 

  Two wrongs will never make a right and thats fact.  How do you feel about all the Polar bear hunting, and the knock out game, or do you know what those are?

[ClutchClark]

40 minutes ago, thaihome said:

 

Interesting post. I too was in the Army in '72-74. This was the start of the "all volunteer army" and they were trying very hard to attract people. It was a difficult time for race relations in the armed forces just as in the civilian world. The DoD conducted an investigation after several riots broke out on numerous installations.

 

 

In the MOS I was in we dealt with these issues every day and I personally witnessed several cases of blatant discrimination in the military justice system. There is little doubt that in attempts to remedy generations of discrimination that unqualified people were promoted, but most that I saw deserved it. Today, by most reports, there are few racial issues in the military.  This is primarily due to the actions taken in the early '70, though sometimes they were ineffective and caused resentment amount white troops.  

 

I followed my 2 years of military service with many years in a historically segregated construction trade, and again witnessed the complete change in the trades as mandated minority hiring and minority contractors were given preference on government projects. This was also painful for the whites that had for generations been able to ignore minorities. But, again today, things are much better today due these very programs you complain about.

 

So, it would seem that we share a very common experience of race relations in the last 45 years but some how you come across as very bitter, bordering on bigoted in your attitude today while I don't share any of your feelings. Why is that? Could it be because I have never succumb to a victim mentality?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_mentality

TH

 

I will take a stab at your question.

 

You excuse the practice of racist based discriminatory hiring practices by saying most blacks were qualified...but so were the non-blacks who were passed by simply because they had the wrong skin color.

 

It sounds like you were not a victim of these discriminatory practices so you would not have suffered the injustice.

[ClutchClark]

1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

 

I think that you have missed my original point by a long shot. I was in no way condoning the senseless violence or breaking into stores and stealing the livlihoods of others that you are referring to. I was responding to the following statement: "At what point will a news report actually call violent protesters what they really are--RIOTERS." by pointing out that calling them rioters was not a slur. Riots have, in the past, happened for very just reason and have resulted in very positive outcomes.

 

 

There is a big difference between reporting these events as "peaceful protests" VS "riots".

 

there is a concerted effort to downplay the violence and that has been the situation from the very beginning--Violent protestors causing damage to property, causing intentional injury to others, arson. These are not the Ghandi-like protests that liberals like to think of them as--peaceful resistance is not in the BLM playbook any more than it was in the Black Panthers.

[RuamRudy]

46 minutes ago, ClutchClark said:

 

There is a big difference between reporting these events as "peaceful protests" VS "riots".

 

there is a concerted effort to downplay the violence and that has been the situation from the very beginning--Violent protestors causing damage to property, causing intentional injury to others, arson. These are not the Ghandi-like protests that liberals like to think of them as--peaceful resistance is not in the BLM playbook any more than it was in the Black Panthers.

 

The example I gave earlier, the UK's Poll Tax Riot in 1990, is, I think, a very clear example of how a government refusing to listen to the people can lead to civil unrest, but more importantly, how this unrest can then lead to positive change.

 

Despite outcry up and down the country for months and months about an unjust tax system, the government refused to listen to the public's concerns. The reaction was not a spur of the moment thing but the result of months of protests against a commonly perceived injustice. Whilst it was unfortunate that it had to culminate in violence, all the months and months of dialogue had resulted in absolutely nothing - whereas a few days of trouble saw a total reversal of government policy. Sitting around singing kumbaya would not have brought about the change.

[thaihome]

1 hour ago, ClutchClark said:

 

I will take a stab at your question.

 

You excuse the practice of racist based discriminatory hiring practices by saying most blacks were qualified...but so were the non-blacks who were passed by simply because they had the wrong skin color.

 

It sounds like you were not a victim of these discriminatory practices so you would not have suffered the injustice.

So you seem to have no problem with discriminatory practices as long as it's not against white people. 

TH

[tifino]

 

I just want to see the video

[ClutchClark]

30 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

The example I gave earlier, the UK's Poll Tax Riot in 1990, is, I think, a very clear example of how a government refusing to listen to the people can lead to civil unrest, but more importantly, how this unrest can then lead to positive change.

 

Despite outcry up and down the country for months and months about an unjust tax system, the government refused to listen to the public's concerns. The reaction was not a spur of the moment thing but the result of months of protests against a commonly perceived injustice. Whilst it was unfortunate that it had to culminate in violence, all the months and months of dialogue had resulted in absolutely nothing - whereas a few days of trouble saw a total reversal of government policy. Sitting around singing kumbaya would not have brought about the change.

 

I don't understand why you bother to quote me when your response has nothing to do with my post ?

 

 

[RuamRudy]

8 minutes ago, ClutchClark said:

 

I don't understand why you bother to quote me when your response has nothing to do with my post ?

 

 

 

Well, it does but if it is not obvious to you, that is ok - we can cease this to and fro.

[hawker9000]

14 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

Interesting. My daughter, a final year criminology and forensics student in London will be going to Texas on an exchange visit with several colleagues. She will spend sometime on campus, sometime visiting prisons and a couple of days out on patrol with the police.

 

Interesting to hear her feedback when she gets back. She was schooled in Asia up to A level so she's already experienced other cultures and her step-brother is a professional soldier in the British Army. She's certainly not PC liberal socialist orientated nor his she right wing. Certainly not a racist but certainly someone who support the upholding of the law. 

 

Hope she's safe.

 

In Texas I'd think she should be relatively good.  Tours in places like Chicago or NYC might've actually been a bit more eye-opening for her...

 

[Baerboxer]

9 hours ago, hawker9000 said:

 

In Texas I'd think she should be relatively good.  Tours in places like Chicago or NYC might've actually been a bit more eye-opening for her...

 

 

Thanks. 

[thaihome]

14 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Thanks. 

 

9 hours ago, hawker9000 said:

 

In Texas I'd think she should be relatively good.  Tours in places like Chicago or NYC might've actually been a bit more eye-opening for her...

 

 

Actually,  Dallas was one of the cities that showed a marked increase in homicides from last year. New York City showed a 25% decrease.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/14/us/murder-rates-cities-fbi.html

TH 

[Dipterocarp]

I am sympathetic with the BLM movement as it has been proven by so many recent incidents (now on video not like the past) that there is bias in policing. Literally have to have video of a cop shooting fleeing man in back then dropping a "gun" for justice to be served. However, the vast majority of Police interactions are professional. Problem now if ones black and follow police instrctions to the t there is no guarantee you still won't be shot.

As far as structural racism is concerned, I have a question.

White racists don't like them but Indians and Asians from Korea, etc. have been coming to America in huge numbers since the 1970's. They come to the US with nothing, for the most part. Vietnamese actual refugees wearing rags living in concentation camps on Guam. Within a generation they are succesful and their kids are all Professionals. (Japanese American Citizens actually rounded up under a pretense of legality in world war 2) Going to good universities and living in upscale areas. None of them live in Ghettos or housing projects taking welfare popping illegitimate children, etc. Why is that? Blacks blame slavery from 159 years ago and Southern Segregation that ended officially about 50 years ago.

Why are Asians successful? No Structural racism/ White man holding them back or perhaps hard work and sacrifices and not making excuses?

[hawker9000]

6 hours ago, Dipterocarp said:

I am sympathetic with the BLM movement as it has been proven by so many recent incidents (now on video not like the past) that there is bias in policing. Literally have to have video of a cop shooting fleeing man in back then dropping a "gun" for justice to be served. However, the vast majority of Police interactions are professional. Problem now if ones black and follow police instrctions to the t there is no guarantee you still won't be shot.

As far as structural racism is concerned, I have a question.

White racists don't like them but Indians and Asians from Korea, etc. have been coming to America in huge numbers since the 1970's. They come to the US with nothing, for the most part. Vietnamese actual refugees wearing rags living in concentation camps on Guam. Within a generation they are succesful and their kids are all Professionals. (Japanese American Citizens actually rounded up under a pretense of legality in world war 2) Going to good universities and living in upscale areas. None of them live in Ghettos or housing projects taking welfare popping illegitimate children, etc. Why is that? Blacks blame slavery from 159 years ago and Southern Segregation that ended officially about 50 years ago.

Why are Asians successful? No Structural racism/ White man holding them back or perhaps hard work and sacrifices and not making excuses?

 

 

"Equal Opportunity", Affirmative Action and other court-approved quota schemes & preferences catering almost exclusively to blacks became heavily institutionalized and "baked in", and as predicted created a pervasive culture of special entitlement and exception, and a continuing mentality of perceived victimization, among blacks.  It's just that simple.

 

Personally, I believe all lives matter, not just blacks.   But "ALM" would be downright racist, wouldn't it?

 

Statistics I found report that out of something just less than 1200 total police killings in 2015, 511 were white, 574 were minorities, and 107 undetermined.  Clearly, cops are not just shooting blacks.   You won't hear much about those other shootings from the major media though...   'Not newsworthy I guess.    And BLM is only about blacks, BLM might just as well be OBLM  (Only Black Lives Matter).  You wanna' talk about what's "racist"? THAT'S racist!

 

Edited October 3, 2016 by hawker9000

[surangw]

the media made   the protest  look much worse than it was,  sells more advertising that way  ( ala Don Henley's dirty laundry song)

 

(  it all took place about 4 blocks from my work)

 

 

[ClutchClark]

1 hour ago, surangw said:

the media made   the protest  look much worse than it was,  sells more advertising that way  ( ala Don Henley's dirty laundry song)

 

(  it all took place about 4 blocks from my work)

 

 

 

Which of the 100's of protests are we now talking about and on which of the 100's of days they have taken place ?

 

Thanks

[ClutchClark]

1 hour ago, hawker9000 said:

 

"Equal Opportunity", Affirmative Action and other court-approved quota schemes & preferences catering almost exclusively to blacks became heavily institutionalized and "baked in", and as predicted created a pervasive culture of special entitlement and exception, and a continuing mentality of perceived victimization, among blacks.  It's just that simple.

 

Personally, I believe all lives matter, not just blacks.   But "ALM" would be downright racist, wouldn't it?

 

Statistics I found report that out of something just less than 1200 total police killings in 2015, 511 were white, 574 were minorities, and 107 undetermined.  Clearly, cops are not just shooting blacks.   You won't hear much about those other shootings from the major media though...   'Not newsworthy I guess.    And BLM is only about blacks, BLM might just as well be OBLM  (Only Black Lives Matter).  You wanna' talk about what's "racist"? THAT'S racist!

 

 

511 of the police shootings were white BUT how many of those received such media coverage ? 

 

Where were the headlines, "Another white guy shot by police"? 

 

The fact is the news is only interested in reportig black lives. FACT.

 

The news appears to now shape events (and instigate riots) by subjective reporting to make it look like only black people are killed. 

 

It sells more copy.

[hawker9000]

1 hour ago, ClutchClark said:

 

511 of the police shootings were white BUT how many of those received such media coverage ? 

 

Where were the headlines, "Another white guy shot by police"? 

 

The fact is the news is only interested in reportig black lives. FACT.

 

The news appears to now shape events (and instigate riots) by subjective reporting to make it look like only black people are killed. 

 

It sells more copy.

 

And in this case the victim was practically daring and threatening a cop into shooting him!  If I'd done that, I'd fully expect  to get shot!!  I can't decide what's most racist, the motivation of the victim to begin with, the fact that "BLM" so mischaracterizes the incident, that the media goes along with the mischaracterization, or that the public at large just seems to stupidly accept it.   If this had been a white victim, everyone would be calling it "suicide by cop".

 

Oh wait.  If this had been a white victim, it wouldn't be getting reported by the media outside the local area at all.

Edited October 3, 2016 by hawker9000

[surangw]

16 hours ago, ClutchClark said:

 

Which of the 100's of protests are we now talking about and on which of the 100's of days they have taken place ?

 

Thanks

El Cajon

[thaihome]

On 10/3/2016 at 8:57 PM, Dipterocarp said:

I am sympathetic with the BLM movement as it has been proven by so many recent incidents (now on video not like the past) that there is bias in policing. Literally have to have video of a cop shooting fleeing man in back then dropping a "gun" for justice to be served. However, the vast majority of Police interactions are professional. Problem now if ones black and follow police instrctions to the t there is no guarantee you still won't be shot.

As far as structural racism is concerned, I have a question.

White racists don't like them but Indians and Asians from Korea, etc. have been coming to America in huge numbers since the 1970's. They come to the US with nothing, for the most part. Vietnamese actual refugees wearing rags living in concentation camps on Guam. Within a generation they are succesful and their kids are all Professionals. (Japanese American Citizens actually rounded up under a pretense of legality in world war 2) Going to good universities and living in upscale areas. None of them live in Ghettos or housing projects taking welfare popping illegitimate children, etc. Why is that? Blacks blame slavery from 159 years ago and Southern Segregation that ended officially about 50 years ago.

Why are Asians successful? No Structural racism/ White man holding them back or perhaps hard work and sacrifices and not making excuses?

 

 

A few points you apparently are not aware of.

 

Not all black people are poor and live in ghettos.  The poverty rate for blacks is about 27% of the black population.  This means that over 70% are not poor. The poverty rate for blacks in 1965 was about 65%. Today is a huge improvement from where the general black population was a generation ago.  The black middle class makes up the majority of the black population in general.

 https://psmag.com/are-we-talking-enough-about-the-black-middle-class-13dbfed92322#.5al7omtxr

 

Second, your portrayal of the entire Asian immigration being successful is a dangerous stereotype.  Poverty amount Asian immigrants, including those from SEA after the Vietnam War is a continuing problem. The poverty rate for Cambodians is some 17% .

http://mashable.com/2015/12/14/asian-american-poverty/#zyiktJlVfqqn

I personally witnessed the problems the SEA immigrants had in the late '70's in Garden Grove, CA. Even today, Asian street gangs are a big problem in Orange County.

 

So, it seems to me your entire premise is based on ill-informed stereotypes.  A bit of research, using fact based sites, would do you a world of good to get past these prejudices. 

TH 

[ClutchClark]

6 minutes ago, thaihome said:

 

A few points you apparently are not aware of.

 

Not all black people are poor and live in ghettos.  The poverty rate for blacks is about 27% of the black population.  This means that over 70% are not poor. The poverty rate for blacks in 1965 was about 65%. Today is a huge improvement from where the general black population was a generation ago.  The black middle class makes up the majority of the black population in general.

 https://psmag.com/are-we-talking-enough-about-the-black-middle-class-13dbfed92322#.5al7omtxr

 

Second, your portrayal of the entire Asian immigration being successful is a dangerous stereotype.  Poverty amount Asian immigrants, including those from SEA after the Vietnam War is a continuing problem. The poverty rate for Cambodians is some 17% .

http://mashable.com/2015/12/14/asian-american-poverty/#zyiktJlVfqqn

I personally witnessed the problems the SEA immigrants had in the late '70's in Garden Grove, CA. Even today, Asian street gangs are a big problem in Orange County.

 

So, it seems to me your entire premise is based on ill-informed stereotypes.  A bit of research, using fact based sites, would do you a world of good to get past these prejudices. 

TH 

 

So you use current statistics on Blacks and 40 year old statistics from the 1970's for Asians?

 

and the only Asian group you choose to use is Cambodians at 17%--and I am only guessing you chose this group of Asians because it is highest yet still substantially lower than black at 27% ?

 

Or am I misunderstanding?

 

thanks

[thaihome]

3 minutes ago, ClutchClark said:

 

 

Or am I misunderstanding?

 

thanks

 

Yes.

TH

[ClutchClark]

2 hours ago, thaihome said:

 

Yes.

TH

 

In part or in whole?

 

I could have sworn you posted about the 1970's.

[Dipterocarp]

13 hours ago, thaihome said:

 

A few points you apparently are not aware of.

 

Not all black people are poor and live in ghettos.  The poverty rate for blacks is about 27% of the black population.  This means that over 70% are not poor. The poverty rate for blacks in 1965 was about 65%. Today is a huge improvement from where the general black population was a generation ago.  The black middle class makes up the majority of the black population in general.

 https://psmag.com/are-we-talking-enough-about-the-black-middle-class-13dbfed92322#.5al7omtxr

 

Second, your portrayal of the entire Asian immigration being successful is a dangerous stereotype.  Poverty amount Asian immigrants, including those from SEA after the Vietnam War is a continuing problem. The poverty rate for Cambodians is some 17% .

http://mashable.com/2015/12/14/asian-american-poverty/#zyiktJlVfqqn

I personally witnessed the problems the SEA immigrants had in the late '70's in Garden Grove, CA. Even today, Asian street gangs are a big problem in Orange County.

 

So, it seems to me your entire premise is based on ill-informed stereotypes.  A bit of research, using fact based sites, would do you a world of good to get past these prejudices. 

TH 

You prove my point. Orange County ? Imagine the racism refugees faced rolling out of El Toro in the 1970s. I assume Garden Grove was all "white" back then? Orange county is still a racist police state, try jogging in Irvine with a hoodie on.

 

I'm not going to quote statistics or bother with biased liberal websites,  just my "prejudice" life experience. I am very good friends with a few people who went through the camps as refugees, no father, faced racism, etc.. Did not stop them from becoming Doctors and CPA, tech millionaires. I graduated from UC schools in the 1980's and spent hundreds of hours in labs and study halls cracking EE courses with other SEA immigrant kids, lived in Irvine for years. Most of these Asian gang bangers are wannabes from good homes could have been there with us if they put their skills to good use. (A huge shame to their family). Every race has criminals and people who WILL NOT work for a living, grow up Asian and poor on the tough side of San Jose, Long Beach, or Sacramento no excuse. Poor life choices, about time people pull their big boy pants up, start taking responsibility for their own decisions and stop blaming the man for all problems.

Edited October 5, 2016 by Dipterocarp