webfact Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 War talk is back on Russian TV as Gorbachev warns of danger Henry Meyer MOSCOW: -- Russian state television is back on a war footing as a prime-time news program warns that the US wants to provoke a conflict, and former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev warns of danger. This time, the ramped-up rhetoric follows the collapse of ceasefire efforts in Syria with both the US and Russia accusing each other of sinking diplomacy. Moscow has since increased its military presence in the Mediterranean and Baltic regions and suspended a nuclear non-proliferation treaty with the US. Full story: http://www.theage.com.au/world/war-talk-is-back-on-russian-tv-as-gorbachev-warns-of-danger-20161010-grzeqp.html -- © Copyright The Age 2016-10-11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rancid Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Well, I suppose there are two ways to look at that. One that the Russians are a bunch of lunatics and are itching for a war with NATO, one they can't possibly win. Secondly that they genuinely fear that war in coming whether they want it or not. Regardless of which, it is hardly an positive development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nasrullah Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 28 minutes ago, Rancid said: Well, I suppose there are two ways to look at that. One that the Russians are a bunch of lunatics and are itching for a war with NATO, one they can't possibly win. Secondly that they genuinely fear that war in coming whether they want it or not. Regardless of which, it is hardly an positive development. Nato(US)have done nothing but poke the bear in the eyes for too long......No one will win if conflict erupts......china will back russia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
car720 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 3 hours ago, Nasrullah said: Nato(US)have done nothing but poke the bear in the eyes for too long......No one will win if conflict erupts......china will back russia Here is one scenario. China unleashes the lunatic from the North onto the South and opens up one front. Putin and Erdogan and Assad open up conflict with Saudi Arabia whilst Iran teams up and they all take out Israel with the backing of every fanatic possible. A second front. The Canadians and Australians make a surprise move and decide, for the sake of nuclear safety to just stay the hell out of it. Along with New Zealand and South Africa etc.., etc.. In the meanwhile Europe finds itself embroiled in internal turmoil and an incredibly convenient moment. All this is good for business until someone pushes the button. The question is who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgordo38 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Is it possible to state where I want my nuclear ashes spread???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuaBS Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Let the games begin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midas Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 (edited) Here's a link to BBC TV Drama production depicting how life in the British Midlands in 1984 was affected by a buildup of tensions between the two superpowers - USA and Russia (very similar to what is happening now regarding Syria) which within days culminated in nuclear exchanges between the two countries. We all probably feel at this moment in the end it will never happen to us but what this drama depicts very well is how ordinary people are one minute innocently going about their day-to-day business but are then quickly thrust into the utter chaos of nuclear war. This is not something to watch ligthtly https://vimeo.com/channels/1055902 Edited October 11, 2016 by midas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chainarong Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 I see in a HK write up that Russia has expressed interest in returning to their old base in Vietnam, probably wont happen as this will give China a big lift in the area and Vietnam isn't all that friendly with China, they are siding more towards USA seeing as they've seen how the other tossers operate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 With the caliber of both POTUS candidates, Brexit, the disharmony throughout the EU, continued chaos in the Middle East, increases in terrorist attacks in the West, etc., Putin must thinks he's onto a winner. I doubt Russia will have such favorable circumstances for too long, or again. Heading for the perfect storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nasrullah Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 1 hour ago, elgordo38 said: Is it possible to state where I want my nuclear ashes spread???? No need to worry old chap!......No ashes to worry about.....you would be vapourized japan......ww2.............yes that's a human! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nasrullah Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 17 minutes ago, Baerboxer said: With the caliber of both POTUS candidates, Brexit, the disharmony throughout the EU, continued chaos in the Middle East, increases in terrorist attacks in the West, etc., Putin must thinks he's onto a winner. I doubt Russia will have such favorable circumstances for too long, or again. Heading for the perfect storm. He plays a good game of chess does Putin.......the noobs in the US actually they're smarter than him.......NOT so!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 9 hours ago, Nasrullah said: Nato(US)have done nothing but poke the bear in the eyes for too long......No one will win if conflict erupts......china will back russia So the land grabs Putin has done in Moldova, Ukraine, Georgia (they even bombed Gori and killed civilians), and Chechnya hasn't fueled the problems? How about Syria? Even France is going after them now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli42 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 "War is merely the continuation of politics by other means" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli42 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Well at least this time I don't have to deal with blaring air raid sirens and practice sessions hiding under my desk at school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 1 hour ago, midas said: Here's a link to BBC TV Drama production depicting how life in the British Midlands in 1984 was affected by a buildup of tensions between the two superpowers - USA and Russia (very similar to what is happening now regarding Syria) which within days culminated in nuclear exchanges between the two countries. We all probably feel at this moment in the end it will never happen to us but what this drama depicts very well is how ordinary people are one minute innocently going about their day-to-day business but are then quickly thrust into the utter chaos of nuclear war. This is not something to watch ligthtly https://vimeo.com/channels/1055902 You can say that again. It makes 'The Day After' look like 'Postman Pat'. Sweet Jesus... I remember reading about some poor bloke topping himself after watching it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartempion Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Good, the end is nigh, at last...this planet will need a few millennia to recover from the human species. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midas Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 20 minutes ago, tartempion said: Good, the end is nigh, at last...this planet will need a few millennia to recover from the human species. your post reminds me of the profound words of Dustin Hoffman when he was interviewed on the film set of the 1995 movie” Outbreak “ which depicted the fight against a deadly airborne virus. He had obviously had a lot of time to reflect about his role and he concluded that human beings are the virus on this planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nasrullah Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 just seen this on twitter https://mishtalk.com/2016/10/10/turkey-diversifies-foreign-policy-russia-and-turkey-agree-to-pipeline-deal/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPCVguy Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 3 hours ago, midas said: Here's a link to BBC TV Drama production depicting how life in the British Midlands in 1984 was affected by a buildup of tensions between the two superpowers - USA and Russia (very similar to what is happening now regarding Syria) which within days culminated in nuclear exchanges between the two countries. We all probably feel at this moment in the end it will never happen to us but what this drama depicts very well is how ordinary people are one minute innocently going about their day-to-day business but are then quickly thrust into the utter chaos of nuclear war. This is not something to watch ligthtly https://vimeo.com/channels/1055902 An old film, excellent at making the "unthinkable" next war into something to think about... and help to prevent. Carl Sagan is listed as one of many advisors, but it looks like someone went through the civil defense training of the cold-war era and compiled it into an apocalyptic film. Since the scenario remains an ongoing possibility, this is a far scarier film than the crop of "Asteroids" or space aliens movies of recent years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 This is just in: "Russia's pres admin telling gov officials w/kids studying abroad to bring them home immediately, says " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 5 hours ago, midas said: Here's a link to BBC TV Drama production depicting how life in the British Midlands in 1984 was affected by a buildup of tensions between the two superpowers - USA and Russia (very similar to what is happening now regarding Syria) which within days culminated in nuclear exchanges between the two countries. We all probably feel at this moment in the end it will never happen to us but what this drama depicts very well is how ordinary people are one minute innocently going about their day-to-day business but are then quickly thrust into the utter chaos of nuclear war. This is not something to watch ligthtly https://vimeo.com/channels/1055902 That's good to watch. However it's good to remember, that the explosions and radiation is not the biggest threat to all of us. Those have quite localised effects. The real problem is all the fires the nukes ignite, which will fill our atmosphere with large amount of sod and dust. This blocks the sunlight for years or decades thus collapsing the food chain. We basically die of cold and hunger. Not a great way to go. Here is a short video of the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Lord Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 16 hours ago, BuaBS said: Let the games begin... As Peter Gabriel succinctly put it by quoting the old TV program; "Jeux sans frontiers" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Lord Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 15 hours ago, Baerboxer said: With the caliber of both POTUS candidates, Brexit, the disharmony throughout the EU, continued chaos in the Middle East, increases in terrorist attacks in the West, etc., Putin must thinks he's onto a winner. I doubt Russia will have such favorable circumstances for too long, or again. Heading for the perfect storm. Yes but will Sterling recover? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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