First Calais ‘Jungle’ camp children arrive in UK

[Celer et Audax]

Tsk, tsk Trans Am, it's exactly the opposite.

These people want to go on UK because they come from your former colonies and they speak English.

They will join their parents and friends came previously  for the same reasons.
 
France has its own immigrants (several million !) also came from its former colonies. They are similar but they are not the same.

Finally, a lot of leaders from Boulogne and Calais want to let these people to Dover care, accepting or return in their origin countries. It is only to respect the 2003 agreement with London to avoid new boat-people in the Chanel that France still agrees to make this dirty work instead of English.

Last time I looked, Somalia Afghanistan Tunisia Morocco Syria Libya Chad Eritrea Iraq Iran etc
Were not former British colonies
But please enlighten me if I'm wrong

[Morch]

8 hours ago, SteveB2 said:

Teenagers my ass. I nearly choked on my coffee when I saw the video...

The only way he is near 15 years old is if he is caught molesting a 15 year old on the way to being prosecuted and placed on the sex offenders list 

 

 

The guy appearing in the OP's pic is not one of the kids, but a relative already in the UK:

 

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They are the first of more than 100 children expected to make the trip this week and will be reunited with relatives already living in the UK.

One relative waiting for his brother said:’‘I’m so excited, so happy, I think it will be a lovely day after 11 years for me.’‘

 

[rockingrobin]

55 minutes ago, Xircal said:

The very odd thing about all this is that Britain is under no obligation whatsoever to take in any of these so called 'children' even if they have a relative living in the UK. That's clearly stated in the EU site which deals with family reunification: http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/legal-migration/family-reunification/index_en.htm

 

It was also discussed in September last year when David Cameron used Britain's opt out to block redistribution of Syrian refugees: https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2015/9/9/eu-unveils-quota-plan-for-europes-stranded-syrian-refugees

 

So why on earth the UK would feel duty bound to start accepting these ex-jungle individuals is perplexing.

Article 8 of the Dublin III convention , 

[7by7]

1 hour ago, Clamhua said:

If these kids have parents/family settled in the U.K. why the hell have they not entered the UK legally then? 

 

Child settlement under the UK immigration rules can be a complex matter when the child is applying to join one of their parents; as any of the many members here, including myself, who has applied for our step children to join us and their parent can tell you. When applying to join a relative who is not their parent it can be virtually impossible.

 

As I said in the other topic;

 

The family they have in the UK are not their parents; the children cannot apply to join parents who aren't here!

 

Where their parents are I cannot say, but can speculate.

 

Many are probably still at home or in a camp somewhere, having used all their savings to get their child out.

 

No doubt some are dead.

 

1 hour ago, Clamhua said:

Western countries generosity is seen as a weakness and exploited at the behest of the taxpayer by so many people it's embarrassing...

That you find it embarrassing that the UK government has allowed these children to escape the camps and join family already in the UK speaks volumes about you.

[Xircal]

23 minutes ago, rockingrobin said:

Article 8 of the Dublin III convention , 

 

Superseded by Britain's Op Out: https://www.ft.com/content/3282746e-11d8-11e6-839f-2922947098f0

 

[TBWG]

Do they not have female children? All clips I have seen feature mature males.

 

TBWG

[tomyumchai]

7 hours ago, Grouse said:

BBC see just said most are about 16 with some under 12. All have relatives in U.K.

 

What is the point being made on this thread?

The point is that these "children" appear to have beards and grey hair....or bald. "EX" children would be more accurate.

[George FmplesdaCosteedback]

2 hours ago, happy Joe said:

Tsk, tsk Trans Am, it's exactly the opposite.

These people want to go on UK because they come from your former colonies and they speak English.

They will join their parents and friends came previously  for the same reasons.

 

France has its own immigrants (several million !) also came from its former colonies. They are similar but they are not the same.

Finally, a lot of leaders from Boulogne and Calais want to let these people to Dover care, accepting or return in their origin countries. It is only to respect the 2003 agreement with London to avoid new boat-people in the Chanel that France still agrees to make this dirty work instead of English.

Nonsense about the colonies, most who migrated then don't want more immigration. Check your facts, Syria was never British colony.  Parts of Afghanistan were British Protectorate in the 19 century, most of them are from places with no British history.

They want to come to the UK for a free house, social security and NHS. What I want to know is why the rich arab muslim countries don't take them.

[Grouse]

 

Of course a moral duty means nothing to you, does it rock?

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, TBWG said:

Do they not have female children? All clips I have seen feature mature males.

 

TBWG

 

You were specifically looking for female children? I saw a few....

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, tomyumchai said:

The point is that these "children" appear to have beards and grey hair....or bald. "EX" children would be more accurate.

 

So it's down to what folks look like? Dear me. What age were you when you started shaving? I assume you are female!

[happy Joe]

4 hours ago, Grouse said:

 

Where are you from Joe?

 

Not Switzerland,
not France,
not from Belgium,
not Italy,
not Luxembourg,
not from Spain ...

 

But close , ha ha ! 

 

 

[Grouse]

8 minutes ago, happy Joe said:

 

Not Switzerland,
not France,
not from Belgium,
not Italy,
not Luxembourg,
not from Spain ...

 

But close , ha ha ! 

 

 

Lichtenstein? Deutschland? Osterreich?

 

doesnt matter, just interested!

[tomyumchai]

9 hours ago, Grouse said:

 

So it's down to what folks look like? Dear me. What age were you when you started shaving? I assume you are female!

Are you deliberately being stupid or are you the same lefty treehugger that let these FULL GROWN ADULT MALES IN who are discribed as CHILDREN. I was probably around 18 when i started regularly shaving and where i came from 18 is the age of an adult. Most of those jungle CHILDREN in the news photos look twice the age of 18. Now go make an ASSumption of yourself on that.

[rockingrobin]

11 hours ago, Xircal said:

 

Superseded by Britain's Op Out: https://www.ft.com/content/3282746e-11d8-11e6-839f-2922947098f0

 

Sorry cant open link, it  is my understanding the UK opted out Germanys quota system when they  enacted the soveriegnty.

 

Taken from Hansard the UK minister gives the impression Dublin is still in operation

 

'  In this context, it is worth noting that the Commission has been very clear today that, should we not opt into the revised Dublin regulations, the existing regulations will continue to apply between the UK and other member states, As such, there is no risk that we would lose our existing powers to return people to other EU member states—powers that we have used nearly 12,000 times since 2005. '

 

https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2016-05-04/debates/16050454000002/DublinSystemAsylum

[Laughing Gravy]

12 hours ago, tomyumchai said:

The point is that these "children" appear to have beards and grey hair....or bald. "EX" children would be more accurate.

Home office documents show that 65% of the supposedly children were found to be over 18. Sought of  throws the whole concept of moral duty out of the window doesn't it?

 

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/722698/Two-thirds-of-child-refugees-coming-into-Britain-are-actually-ADULTS

 

You can get married in the UK at 16 legally (parents consent) and join the armed forces at 16. Are they classed as children?

[Ace of Pop]

I sometimes wonder why the Brits don't give the bloody lot away ,and get it over with


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[thaibeachlovers]

11 hours ago, Grouse said:

 

Of course a moral duty means nothing to you, does it rock?

The more the better I say. A few hundred ( there will be more now they let the trailblazers in ) child adults will see enough opposition growing to elect an anti immigrant government, or at least enough antis to sway whatever is the government.

It's democracy, right!

[Laughing Gravy]

37 minutes ago, Ace of Pop said:

I sometimes wonder why the Brits don't give the bloody lot away ,and get it over with


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Sadly AOP there are those on hear would like that and were probably on the Thames with Bob Geldof and his 'luvvy army' shouting the very thing.

[SgtRock]

12 hours ago, Grouse said:

 

Of course a moral duty means nothing to you, does it rock?

 

Now what is that new word you have learned again ? Numpty I believe.

 

Well numpty. Let me spell it out for you.

 

My moral duty is to me and my immediate family and the others that I CHOOSE to extend my morality too. No moral duty to anyone who has broken numerous laws to get to Calais in the hope of getting to the UK.

 

I hope that is simple and straight forward enough for even you to understand.

[SgtRock]

A couple of pictures of those poor children being rescued from Calais for the numpties.

 

 

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1990520/first-child-migrants-who-claim-to-be-aged-between-14-and-17-arrive-in-uk-from-calais-jungle-sparking-row-over-their-true-age/

 

Children my <deleted> @rse. 

[Grouse]

3 hours ago, SgtRock said:

 

Now what is that new word you have learned again ? Numpty I believe.

 

Well numpty. Let me spell it out for you.

 

My moral duty is to me and my immediate family and the others that I CHOOSE to extend my morality too. No moral duty to anyone who has broken numerous laws to get to Calais in the hope of getting to the UK.

 

I hope that is simple and straight forward enough for even you to understand.

 

Shariah morality counts for nothing with me, Rock.

 

I have assumed throughout that when the home office classifies someone as a child they are under eighteen as that is the legal definition. I was shaving since 14 since you ask.

 

Now, as you know, I dislike Muslims.(I am not going to list all the reasons here again). However, I have no problem with TEMPORARY refuge being offered to refugees.

 

Now, if you'll excuse me, I will leave you unpleasant "characters" to get on with your abusive ranting. Bye! ?

[transam]

3 minutes ago, Grouse said:

 

Shariah morality counts for nothing with me, Rock.

 

I have assumed throughout that when the home office classifies someone as a child they are under eighteen as that is the legal definition. I was shaving since 14 since you ask.

 

Now, as you know, I dislike Muslims.(I am not going to list all the reasons here again). However, I have no problem with TEMPORARY refuge being offered to refugees.

 

Now, if you'll excuse me, I will leave you unpleasant "characters" to get on with your abusive ranting. Bye! ?

That's a relief......

[lemonjelly]

Should be given temporary assistance, send them back when the situation their country has settled down.


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[SgtRock]

38 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Now what is that new word you have learned again ? Numpty I believe.

 

Well numpty. Let me spell it out for you.

 

My moral duty is to me and my immediate family and the others that I CHOOSE to extend my morality too. No moral duty to anyone who has broken numerous laws to get to Calais in the hope of getting to the UK.

 

I hope that is simple and straight forward enough for even you to understand.

 

38 minutes ago, Grouse said:

 

Shariah morality counts for nothing with me, Rock.

 

I have assumed throughout that when the home office classifies someone as a child they are under eighteen as that is the legal definition. I was shaving since 14 since you ask.

 

Now, as you know, I dislike Muslims.(I am not going to list all the reasons here again). However, I have no problem with TEMPORARY refuge being offered to refugees.

 

Now, if you'll excuse me, I will leave you unpleasant "characters" to get on with your abusive ranting. Bye! ?

 

Sharia morality does not count for Jack with me either.

 

I never asked you anything regarding what age you started shaving. Learn to read English or stop smoking illegal substances or drinking alcohol.

 

With your current obsession with calling people numpties, it is refreshing to see that you are even lower than a numpty.

 

No need to excuse you. I will actually cheer you on your way, Goodbye, Au Revoir, Auf Wiedersehen, Ciao.

 

Whilst you take your leave of absence, try finding out the ages of those '' Children '' in the pictures and then you can come back and talk about granting Asylum to Refugee children.

 

Edited October 19, 2016 by SgtRock

[TommyUK1960]

OK we can see these are not children, so what's going on? Who's benefiting from this move? Who's making money? (My bet, British social services will be milking it)

These people are Frances problem , They let them in so France should be sending them back but the French Left wing socialist parties are a bunch of Muppets.

I hope the people of France wake up and vote Marine La Pen,

[7by7]

On 10/18/2016 at 8:47 PM, tomyumchai said:

The point is that these "children" appear to have beards and grey hair....or bald. "EX" children would be more accurate.

 

It seems that, like others, you are confusing the family members greeting them with the children themselves.

 

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Here in the UK many under 18's look over 18; unless they are in their school uniform it is virtually impossible to asses their age by appearance alone.

 

12 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Home office documents show that 65% of the supposedly children were found to be over 18. Sought of  throws the whole concept of moral duty out of the window doesn't it?

 

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/722698/Two-thirds-of-child-refugees-coming-into-Britain-are-actually-ADULTS

 

You can get married in the UK at 16 legally (parents consent) and join the armed forces at 16. Are they classed as children?

 

Even if some of these children are over 18, as Scott has explained elsewhere, if a refugee is under 18 when they became a refugee then they are treated as being under 18 until the process is complete. As he has real life experience in this area, the only person here who has, I'd take his word over that of the Express on this matter.

 

Yes, it is legal to marry and to join the armed forces at 16 with parental consent; but legally anyone under 18 is a child, not an adult.

 

BTW, for many years there have been calls to raise the minimum age for recruitment into the UK's armed forces to 18:  for example The recruitment of under 18s into the UK armed forces

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The recruitment of minors has been criticised by the United Nations Committee on the Rights of the Child, Parliament’s own Joint Committee on Human Rights, and children’s charities amongst others.  The Armed Forces Bill (2011) is an opportunity to phase out the recruitment of people under 18 in line with international standards, while introducing greater protection for 16- and 17-year-old personnel in the meantime.

 

[transam]

2 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

It seems that, like others, you are confusing the family members greeting them with the children themselves.

 

 

Here in the UK many under 18's look over 18; unless they are in their school uniform it is virtually impossible to asses their age by appearance alone.

 

 

Even if some of these children are over 18, as Scott has explained elsewhere, if a refugee is under 18 when they became a refugee then they are treated as being under 18 until the process is complete. As he has real life experience in this area, the only person here who has, I'd take his word over that of the Express on this matter.

 

Yes, it is legal to marry and to join the armed forces at 16 with parental consent; but legally anyone under 18 is a child, not an adult.

 

BTW, for many years there have been calls to raise the minimum age for recruitment into the UK's armed forces to 18:  for example The recruitment of under 18s into the UK armed forces

 

I wondered if you would show up ......

[7by7]

4 minutes ago, transam said:

I wondered if you would show up ......

 Been around a while!

 

Instead of stupid comments, how about actually addressing the issues I raised?

[Xircal]

Here's a good site to determine how old some of these 'children' are: https://how-old.net/?q=#

 

All you need to do is to right click an image and then click "Copy image location". The description may vary according to the browser you're using, but I use Firefox. Then copy the URL which will have been saved to the clipboard into the Search field on that site.

 

I just tried it myself and the result can be seen in the images.  Kind of makes a mockery of their claims that they're 14 years old.

 

Here's the original link to the Daily Mail report where the individual in the photo can be seen: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3849646/Mature-years-fears-real-age-child-migrants-arriving-Calais.html