May ready for tough talks over Brexit

[AlexRich]

2 minutes ago, pitrevie said:

As I have pointed our several times which you chose to ignore, Farage said he would not accept the result as being final if it was 52/48 and Bill Cash another prominent Brexiter stated that he would not accept the result as being final. period. There are more but that debunks your statement.

 

As for your first sentence I take it that is some sort of self description or are you trying to project your own condition onto others? Then of course it is followed with the usual derogatory description of people who voted remain. However I look forward to you posting the links to those who have predicted the UK is doomed. 

 

Further as David Davis the Brexit minister said, nations 'not democracies' if they can't change their mind . Funny the things your fellow Brexiters say that you and others just chose to ignore. 

 

Tories like Davis, Cash and Fox wanted Brexit to get control of policies from Europe to enable them to push their preferred right wing agenda ... but how do you get people to vote for that? Simple, stir up a load of scaremongering over immigration, something that they personally could not care less about, and see if you can persuade a sufficient number of numpties to vote for it. Job done!

[shanesox]

It's all going terribly wrong on the immigration front ... Brexit will go down as the biggest 'foot shooting' exercise since the 'charge of the light brigade' ... lions led by donkeys!

 

"When can their glory fade?
O the wild charge they made!"

 

 

"The broad claims of the referendum campaign are starting to dissolve into the pixelated reality of policy, practicality and compromise. According to a senior government source, a wonderful irony is now manifesting itself around the cabinet table in the contributions of Liam Fox, David Davis and Boris Johnson: “There’s no doubt that Theresa wants to bring down immigration. But the three main Brexiteers are suddenly becoming more and more vocal about the need to keep the numbers sufficiently high for the needs of the economy. You hear Liam saying: ‘We mustn’t do anything that threatens prosperity.’ It’s becoming more and more clear to them what’s at stake.”

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/27/brexiteers-immigration-promises-unravelling

When you have to use the Europhile rag the Guardian to make a point we know where you're coming from! (Editorial about danger of war in Europe because of UK leaving the failed experiment)The donkeys are the nations following the EU carrot that is pretty rotten. Fact is UK Gov can decide who and how many immigrants in the future it needs and if the people aren't happy we can throw them out! Simple as that!

 

 

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[AlexRich]

11 minutes ago, shanesox said:

When you have to use the rag the Guardian to make a point we know where you're coming from! The donkeys are the nations following the EU carrot that is pretty rotten. Fact is UK Gov can decide who and how many immigrants in the future it needs and if the people aren't happy we can throw them out! Simple as that!


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You can throw all immigrants out ... and destroy your public services, businesses and the tax revenues that go with them, not to mention your reputation as a  friendly place for foreigners to do business in ... helpful that, when you are looking to trade with the rest of the world and attract skills from other countries ... especially in science and technology.

 

If the UK is seen as unfriendly to foreigners then they are hardly likely to be interested in buying from us, or visiting our lovely country ... are they? 

 

You can be as hard on immigration as you like ... but not without economic consequences ... don't take my word for it, just ask Boris, David and Liam, who, to the best of my knowledge, do not subscribe to The Guardian.. 

 

 

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[SheungWan]

12 minutes ago, shanesox said:

When you have to use the Europhile rag the Guardian to make a point we know where you're coming from! (Editorial about danger of war in Europe because of UK leaving the failed experiment)The donkeys are the nations following the EU carrot that is pretty rotten. Fact is UK Gov can decide who and how many immigrants in the future it needs and if the people aren't happy we can throw them out! Simple as that!

 

 

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Simple as that!

[AlexRich]

4 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Simple as that!

Simple minded as that? 

[Flustered]

And another sign that Brexit is seen as a good move.

 

Qatar stating that they have full confidence in the UKs move and are investing a further £5 Billion to swell their already invested £35 Billion

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-03-26/london-s-landlord-to-seal-major-deals-as-brexit-countdown-begins

 

I know it's pointless posting these facts as the Bremoaners will never change their minds and will always be eternal pessimists determined to talk down the future of the UK.

 

Wake up and smell the coffee guys, it's hot and strong.

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[AlexRich]

1 minute ago, Flustered said:

And another sign that Brexit is seen as a good move.

 

Qatar stating that hey have full confidence in the UKs move and are investing a further £5 Billion to swell their already invested £35 Billion

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-03-26/london-s-landlord-to-seal-major-deals-as-brexit-countdown-begins

 

I know it's pointless posting these facts as the Bremoaners will never change their minds and will always be eternal pessimists determined to talk down the future of the UK.

 

Wake up and smell the coffee guys, it's hot and strong.

Of course they want to buy assets ... they accumulate dollars ... the UK with weakened GBP is on sale. It's okay to think everything is going to be amazing ... but when you use the "talking the country down" line your credibility goes with it. If things don't turn out as amazing as you think they will, that will be your get-out clause?

[SheungWan]

4 hours ago, Khun Han said:

 

If your assets are in US$, they'll be moving ever closer to 10%. Sterling's just a tad short of 1.26 at the mo.

Not all assets are moving in lockstep with cash.

[shanesox]

  You can throw all immigrants out ... and destroy your public services, businesses and the tax revenues that go with them, not to mention your reputation as a  friendly place for foreigners to do business in ... helpful that, when you are looking to trade with the rest of the world and attract skills from other countries ... especially in science and technology.

 

If the UK is seen as unfriendly to foreigners then they are hardly likely to be interested in buying from us, or visiting our lovely country ... are they? 

 

You can be as hard on immigration as you like ... but not without economic consequences ... don't take my word for it, just ask Boris, David and Liam, who, to the best of my knowledge, do not subscribe to The Guardian.. 

 

 

 

Who is "throwing out immigrants" (EU citizens ) already in Uk ? If UK citizen S rights are protected in EU it's a fake argument from yet another loser who won't and can't except the result of referendum ! The Guardian has been a dog whistle for the 2nd Ref and Staying in EU under a different name. The letter of notification is going on Wednesday and about time too!

 

 

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[shanesox]

Who is "throwing out immigrants" (EU citizens ) already in Uk ? If UK citizens rights are protected in UK it's a fake argument from yet another loser who won't and can't except the result of referendum ! The Guardian has been a dog whistle for the 2nd Ref and Staying in EU under a different name. The letter of notification is going on Wednesday and about time too!

 

 

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[SheungWan]

5 hours ago, Grouse said:

One can always rely upon the Con Party to do the best thing for the country! ?

 

 

T.I.N.A.

[Khun Han]

42 minutes ago, Flustered said:

And another sign that Brexit is seen as a good move.

 

Qatar stating that they have full confidence in the UKs move and are investing a further £5 Billion to swell their already invested £35 Billion

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-03-26/london-s-landlord-to-seal-major-deals-as-brexit-countdown-begins

 

I know it's pointless posting these facts as the Bremoaners will never change their minds and will always be eternal pessimists determined to talk down the future of the UK.

 

Wake up and smell the coffee guys, it's hot and strong.

 

Likely some remainer-or-other will be along to describe it as a measly 5bn, with reference to a larger amount being invested by someone somewhere in the world .

[AlexRich]

1 hour ago, shanesox said:

Who is "throwing out immigrants" (EU citizens ) already in Uk ? If UK citizen S rights are protected in EU it's a fake argument from yet another loser who won't and can't except the result of referendum ! The Guardian has been a dog whistle for the 2nd Ref and Staying in EU under a different name. The letter of notification is going on Wednesday and about time too!

 

 

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The fake argument is the idea that you'll be controlling anything ... the three Brexiteers don't give a fig about immigration, that was only used to scare numpties into voting for Brexit. You've voted to make the UK poorer, isolated and possibly broken up ... well done you!

 

[SheungWan]

5 hours ago, Flustered said:

If you believed some of the posts by certain FMs here, you would think they were financial giants with brains the size of a planet. Most of them are simply legends in their own minds, probably living in a dingy bedsit on a fixed State pension saving up the odd few shekels for a massage. TV is their only way of communicating with the world and trying to prove their imagined  intellectual superiority.

 

 

3 hours ago, Khun Han said:

 

Likely some remainer-or-other will be along to describe it as a measly 5bn, with reference to a larger amount being invested by someone somewhere in the world .

 

There is endless entertainment to be gained from reading forum Brexiteers repetitively setting up Aunt Sallies and then knocking them down.

[Grouse]

9 hours ago, SheungWan said:

T.I.N.A.

Correct!

 

It would be good to have some credible opposition though.

[sandyf]

On 3/26/2017 at 3:16 PM, Khun Han said:

 

And I just noticed you've tried to compare free movement within the UK with free movement within the EU. What on earth??? Removing hard borders before the EU becomes a fully integrated federal state (as projected) is complete and utter security madness.

That's a change in direction, you now think the concept of a Common Travel Area is madness. Each to his own.

[sandyf]

11 hours ago, AlexRich said:

The winners from Brexit ... no one, the losers ... those that voted for it!

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/27/parts-of-uk-that-voted-for-brexit-may-be-hardest-hit-study-finds

Have to disagree, everyone's a loser, only some refuse to acknowledge it.

[sandyf]

Not only tough talks, she will have a tough time sorting this lot out.

 

The ten promises:

 

1. EU trade – the ‘exact same benefits’ delivered as we currently have within the single market and customs union
2. Trade deals – Lots of new trade deals with new countries that are ready to sign on the day of our departure from the EU
3. Money – Savings from contributions invested in public services, including £350m a week for the NHS
4. Northern Ireland – No changes to the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic
5. Rights – Citizens’, workers’ and environmental rights currently guaranteed by membership of the EU to be fully protected
6. Security – A deal on security that maintains and enhances our cooperation with the EU
7. UK – The integrity of the Union protected and made stronger
8. Science – Science and research partnerships with the EU strengthened
9. Date – The UK will be fully out, including required ratification, in 2019
10. Immigration – A dramatic reduction in net migration while also keeping the UK open to the talent and skills that UK business need

[pitrevie]

4 minutes ago, sandyf said:

That's a change in direction, you now think the concept of a Common Travel Area is madness. Each to his own.

You have to laugh at Khun Han's statements. This is a guy who obviously doesn't want the UK in Schengen, in fact he doesn't even want the UK in the EU but this doesn't stop him sticking his nose and voicing an opinion on the Schengen agreement which in no way affects him. In any poll of Europeans the Schengen agreement is popular, these are the people who use it and experience it.

It reminds me of the stance taken by Johnson warning us about all those little brown men eager to get into the UK especially from Turkey which was drowning our country. As soon as the vote was over everyone started walking back the promises on immigration but Johnson went further. As Foreign Secretary he pops up in Turkey and tells the Turks he will do everything to assist them joining the EU the organisation he had just succeeded in voting to withdraw from.

[sandyf]

4 minutes ago, pitrevie said:

You have to laugh at Khun Han's statements. This is a guy who obviously doesn't want the UK in Schengen, in fact he doesn't even want the UK in the EU but this doesn't stop him sticking his nose and voicing an opinion on the Schengen agreement which in no way affects him. In any poll of Europeans the Schengen agreement is popular, these are the people who use it and experience it.

It reminds me of the stance taken by Johnson warning us about all those little brown men eager to get into the UK especially from Turkey which was drowning our country. As soon as the vote was over everyone started walking back the promises on immigration but Johnson went further. As Foreign Secretary he pops up in Turkey and tells the Turks he will do everything to assist them joining the EU the organisation he had just succeeded in voting to withdraw from.

I remember the days when parts of the E3, as it was pre 75, resembled the M25 on a Friday evening. Only the delusional would think that is the way things should be.

Turkey was just one of the 'Project Fear' tactics by the 'Leavers' that they would prefer to forget. Before the referendum a friend of mine mentioned it on his FB page and it was incredible how many agreed with him. I tried to tell him that Turkey had virtually no chance of ever getting in the EU but he opted to believe the campaign politicians. I think many take a different view now.

[dick dasterdly]

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

I remember the days when parts of the E3, as it was pre 75, resembled the M25 on a Friday evening. Only the delusional would think that is the way things should be.

Turkey was just one of the 'Project Fear' tactics by the 'Leavers' that they would prefer to forget. Before the referendum a friend of mine mentioned it on his FB page and it was incredible how many agreed with him. I tried to tell him that Turkey had virtually no chance of ever getting in the EU but he opted to believe the campaign politicians. I think many take a different view now.

A bit like govt. ministers thinking that Osborne's promised emergency budget in the event of a brexit vote would frighten people into voting remain...   I suspect this back-fired badly and resulted in quite a few voters realising that the entire remain campaign was based on fear tactics?

 

Perhaps they'd have been better off concentrating on the positives of remaining within the EU?  Although thinking about it, it would have been political suicide to point out that the EU has promoted more policies to help the 'ordinary' worker than UK governments!

[pitrevie]

3 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

A bit like govt. ministers thinking that Osborne's promised emergency budget in the event of a brexit vote would frighten people into voting remain...   I suspect this back-fired badly and resulted in quite a few voters realising that the entire remain campaign was based on fear tactics?

 

Perhaps they'd have been better off concentrating on the positives of remaining within the EU?  Although thinking about it, it would have been political suicide to point out that the EU has promoted more policies to help the 'ordinary' worker than UK governments!

Yes he did make some wild statements and far be it from me to defend Osborne but given that Hammond announced Brexit had blown a 122 billion pound hole in the public finances and also given that Osborne stated that he intended to balance the books within this parliament I think with that time scale he would have had no option but to introduce an emergency budget. Hammond has taken a more leisurely approach to the public debt. I really think it was a case that the economic situation which was still in a hole following the 2008 financial crisis caught up with them. That plus all those little brown people who were going to swamp us.

[shanesox]

Correct!
 
It would be good to have some credible opposition though.

You got Farron Clegg and liberal Undemocrats ...ooops


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[shanesox]

....plus all those little brown people who were going to swamp us.

Who's playing the race card now! Pathetic


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[pitrevie]

4 minutes ago, shanesox said:

Who's playing the race card now! Pathetic


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It was intended to be a reference to the poster that Farage used, but I see it went straight over your head. The one where is he pointing to a huge line of exclusively brown people or perhaps that too went over your head

[dick dasterdly]

19 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

A bit like govt. ministers thinking that Osborne's promised emergency budget in the event of a brexit vote would frighten people into voting remain...   I suspect this back-fired badly and resulted in quite a few voters realising that the entire remain campaign was based on fear tactics?

 

Perhaps they'd have been better off concentrating on the positives of remaining within the EU?  Although thinking about it, it would have been political suicide to point out that the EU has promoted more policies to help the 'ordinary' worker than UK governments!

 

10 minutes ago, pitrevie said:

Yes he did make some wild statements and far be it from me to defend Osborne but given that Hammond announced Brexit had blown a 122 billion pound hole in the public finances and also given that Osborne stated that he intended to balance the books within this parliament I think with that time scale he would have had no option but to introduce an emergency budget. Hammond has taken a more leisurely approach to the public debt. I really think it was a case that the economic situation which was still in a hole following the 2008 financial crisis caught up with them. That plus all those little brown people who were going to swamp us.

I've no doubt it wasn't only Osborne that approved informing  (ha ha) people of the 'planned' emergency budget in the event of a leave vote...  Hence my post pointing out that "Project Fear" was even more obvious in the remain campaign!

 

He was forced to vacate his post shortly after the brexit result, so I suppose it depends on whether you believe that his promised emergency budget was genuinely planned by Ministers (unlikely as it never happened) - or whether it was the final push to promote "Project Fear".

[shanesox]

It was intended to be a reference to the poster that Farage used, but I see it went straight over your head. The one where is he pointing to a huge line of exclusively brown people or perhaps that too went over your head

That poster referred to uncontrolled immigrants not only "brown" ,the remain losers got what they deserved.Portraying Leave voters as racist. All that losing bile came out from June 24 onwards !


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[pitrevie]

2 minutes ago, shanesox said:

That poster referred to uncontrolled immigrants not only "brown" ,the remain losers got what they deserved.Portraying Leave voters as racist. All that losing bile came out from June 24 onwards !


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The poster consisted entirely of brown people nothing to do with the EU. We had 100% control of anyone entering the UK from outside the EU but Farage deliberately used that poster to give the impression that it was connected to the freedom of movement issue within the EU.

[evadgib]

28 minutes ago, shanesox said:

That poster referred to uncontrolled immigrants not only "brown" ,the remain losers got what they deserved.Portraying Leave voters as racist. All that losing bile came out from June 24 onwards!

...with Thai spouses and dual national kids? I find that hilarious too 

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[dick dasterdly]

1 hour ago, pitrevie said:

That plus all those little brown people who were going to swamp us.

I've deleted the rest of your post as I've addressed those points earlier, and the 'conversation' seems to have moved on to "little brown people" as first mentioned in your post.

 

You're convinced that leave voters were worried about the above, whereas I'm convinced that they were more concerned about immigration from poorer EU countries as a result of 'open borders' - allowing employers to keep wages (for those at the bottom - then reflected to those on ordinary salaries) very low.

 

They're obviously also v concerned about Moslem immigrants - regardless of whether they come from EU countries/relatives of those already in the UK/'refugees'.

 

"Little brown people" didn't come into this referendum vote as far as I know - its just your interpretation of the result that prefers to believe that people who voted leave had this derogatory nonsense in their mind.

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