webfact Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 Confusion over refuelling requests for Russian warships MADRID: -- Russia has denied making a refuelling request to Spain for a fleet of its warships which has been sailing for the past week en route for Syria. Russia’s defence ministry has said no request had been sent for the main vessel, aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov, to be refuelled in Ceuta. Earlier reports had said Moscow had originally asked for permission to dock at the Spanish port but had later withdrawn the request. Spain has been under pressure from NATO allies who have been following the flottila, not to allow the stop over. However NATO’s chief said it was a matter for the Spanish government. Led by Russia’s only aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov, the naval group includes a nuclear-powered battle cruiser, two anti-submarine warships and four support vessels, probably escorted by submarines. The battle group carries dozens of fighter bombers and helicopters and is expected to join about 10 other Russian vessels already off the Syrian coast. There is concern among the alliance members that the deployment of the ships and the aircraft they are carrying could lead to an increase in air assaults in Syria, notably in the besieged city of Aleppo. -- © Copyright Euronews 2016-10-27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 Both sides should have pulled out or better yet never got involved with massive amounts of troops and support in that area of the world in the first place. Assad should just have been assassinated right away. There may have been a chance for a lot less death but who knows maybe the war-mongers just want deaths of anyone who could be an enemy someday. Anyways, getting rid of the source of the problem by eliminating the leaders and those around them is far better for the common man in my view. Yes, other leaders would potentially be threatened but that might make those who seek to lead nations a bit more willing to die for their nation rather than as it is now where these leaders are happy to send troops to die in their place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johna Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 It's difficult to understand why ships that sailed from the Russian port of Severomorsk between the 12 and 15 October would require fuel or provisions 2 weeks later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlindMagician Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 2 hours ago, johna said: It's difficult to understand why ships that sailed from the Russian port of Severomorsk between the 12 and 15 October would require fuel or provisions 2 weeks later. They are not nuclear powered (insane range on one fuel stock...Nimitz class carriers can be at sea for 25 years). I think the Russian single carrier has a few 1000 miles range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlindMagician Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 Leave em floating with no fuel...that'll teach em to play fast and loose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fvw53 Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 7 hours ago, Alive said: Both sides should have pulled out or better yet never got involved with massive amounts of troops and support in that area of the world in the first place. Assad should just have been assassinated right away. There may have been a chance for a lot less death but who knows maybe the war-mongers just want deaths of anyone who could be an enemy someday. Anyways, getting rid of the source of the problem by eliminating the leaders and those around them is far better for the common man in my view. Yes, other leaders would potentially be threatened but that might make those who seek to lead nations a bit more willing to die for their nation rather than as it is now where these leaders are happy to send troops to die in their place. You think the murder of Assad would have been a solution ? Did the murder of Libyan leader Qaddafi bring a solution or total and endless chaos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sangtip2 Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 If you think that the Russians are out there running out of fuel you are the idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini81 Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 1 hour ago, fvw53 said: You think the murder of Assad would have been a solution ? Did the murder of Libyan leader Qaddafi bring a solution or total and endless chaos? It brought end to possible dinar currency. Cha-ching. Like Sadam. Cha ching (oil, resources, pipleline, central bank-cha ching). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBsinter Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 They probably supply Spain with gas and oil anyway.................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamgeorgeallen Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 2 hours ago, fvw53 said: You think the murder of Assad would have been a solution ? Did the murder of Libyan leader Qaddafi bring a solution or total and endless chaos? or Iraq? some people think you can fix a chickens problems by chopping off its head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorG Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 19 minutes ago, williamgeorgeallen said: or Iraq? some people think you can fix a chickens problems by chopping off its head. Well, you certainly fix that particular chicken's problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xircal Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 I would imagine Putin was just testing the waters by requesting refueling facilities in Spain. He doesn't need them since Russia signed an agreement last year with Cyprus to allow its naval vessels to use Cypriot ports to refuel and re-supply. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31632259 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surangw Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 I wonder of the Russians have to deal with the same in port corruption the Americans did in s.e. asia ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khundon Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 Spain didn't refuse the fuel, just told the carrier captain, "no cards just cash, oh and in US dollars please". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawker9000 Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 4 hours ago, khundon said: Spain didn't refuse the fuel, just told the carrier captain, "no cards just cash, oh and in US dollars please". Lol, maybe. But Russia probably has more spare petroleum of its own lying around than it knows what to do with. A fleet tanker or two - surprised that wasn't one of the support ships in the first place - would solve the problem nicely, if there even is one (and I don't think than can necessarily be inferred simply from a reported request to Spain). Maybe all they really wanted was to take on some decent food stores. If the transit from their homeports was high-speed, or they sortied less than full for whatever reason, then they possibly did burn through much of their onboard fuel supply (except for Kuznetsov), but Kuznetsov could always continue on its own to the oparea unescorted (I really don't think anybody's going to torpedo it...) with the rest catching up when they can. It's all mainly just a "big stick" show anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 16 hours ago, fvw53 said: You think the murder of Assad would have been a solution ? Did the murder of Libyan leader Qaddafi bring a solution or total and endless chaos? Which country has more chaos Libya or Syria? Which country has had more death and destruction? Which country has wasted more of my nation's wealth and lives? I guess you would have been against assassinating Hitler too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 1 hour ago, Alive said: Which country has more chaos Libya or Syria? Which country has had more death and destruction? Which country has wasted more of my nation's wealth and lives? I guess you would have been against assassinating Hitler too. Getting rid of Assad might not have made things better, but sadly, Libya is better off. Syria is a humanitarian disaster due to Assad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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